Report: u.s. military told to prepare nukes

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,03:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are talking about TV and movies all the time.

Fact is, I don't watch TV. I read the newspapers.

Maybe you should do that, too.

I don't watch Hollywood movies cause they are so crappy.

I wasn't personally attacking you, but you keep calling me

"jackass", "shallow-minded", ....

So FUCK YOU. I HATE YOU. I WISH I COULD BE IN THE FUCKING BOXING RING WITH YOU SO I COULD BEAT THE YANKY CRAP OUT OF YOU, DIPSHIT.<span id='postcolor'>

Oh so you want to box? LMAO. I'm sorry but I defeat you intelectually, and I could kick your ass with my fists pal. Good to see the frustration though, now you know how I feel on a daily basis with such fuckups as you who think they actaully know what they are talking about.

[LauryThorn 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">..not just U.S. tv<span id='postcolor'>

From where then? CNN.com?

Do you follow any foreign medias?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I get my FACTS<span id='postcolor'>

When you grow up, let's say when you reach 18,

maybe you'll find out that there are no facts,

just opinions.

[WisdoM 1]

Oh and BTW...its funny that you dont watcht eh news on TV..but you read it in teh paper, being that there is sooo much difference between the two. I read teh paper, watch teh news, check the internet, and watch satelitte news from other countries, so please your single source of teh "newspaper" is quite funny...being that your so enlightened and all.

[LauryThorn 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm sorry but I defeat you intelectually, and I could kick your ass with my fists pal<span id='postcolor'>

You're just thinking that you are. And how can you kick my ass with your fist?

you are just brainwashed to feel that you're better

than anyone else.

[christophercles 0]

Stop saying "teh". And LauryThorn, you do seem to be attacking american's becuase they are americans, not becuase of what they say.

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,03:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">..not just U.S. tv<span id='postcolor'>

From where then? CNN.com?

Do you follow any foreign medias?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I get my FACTS<span id='postcolor'>

When you grow up, let's say when you reach 18,

maybe you'll find out that there are no facts,

just opinions.<span id='postcolor'>

First Question..yea I follow several foreign medias, read the above post. And the news that I do watch here is not CNN, they are way to biased. Fox news acctaully has a more central approach to it.

And the funniest thing you have said to date " There are no facts, just opinions" LMMFAO!!! For one I am 18, secondly I'm already in my 3rd yr of college (yes that means I skipped a few grades) And thirdly...once you gain some intelligence you will realise there is a balance between opinions and facts...not just "your side of the story" now as you and I can both tell, you are clearly running out of ideas, being that you answer with such small ideas, but hey your brain can only take so much stress before it tires.

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (christophercles @ Mar. 12 2002,04:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stop saying "teh". And LauryThorn, you do seem to be attacking american's becuase they are americans, not becuase of what they say.<span id='postcolor'>

Sorry typing "teh" has always been a big problem of mine, and I have no idea why? I guess I am just dyslexic when it comes to the word the.

And Americas people are not bad people, I'm just sick and tired of losers like Thorn in my side....Our government does have its problems, and it does do wrong in places, but it also does right...which you all never seem to think about or say, or for that matter even mention.but guess what, every governent has its problems people, the sooner you realise this the better off we all will be.

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,03:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm sorry but I defeat you intelectually, and I could kick your ass with my fists pal<span id='postcolor'>

You're just thinking that you are. And how can you kick my ass with your fist?

you are just brainwashed to feel that you're better

than anyone else.<span id='postcolor'>

I nevr said I was better than anyone here, well I take that back I did say I was better than you, but hey..what can I say your dumb. You base all your reactions on assumptions, and the majority of them are just prejudices that you have fromed in your mind against Amercans in general SUch as "thinking we are better than everyone else"

[LauryThorn 0]

To christophercles:

I wasn't attacking american ppl here, until Murda started taking

this personally.

I agree with that "teh" thing.

To Murda:

You're 18. Fine. You are young and angry man. That's fine. When I was your age, the world had pure evil and good. But think about the "facts". Where do they come from? Somebody brings them to you. That somebody always has his/her opinion on that "fact", and that gives it colour..

I'm sorry that you think that I'm running low on ideas.. But how well could You express yourself in Finnish?

[WisdoM 1]

I couldn't express myself in Finnish, I have never studied the language, but give me a course, and 3 months and I'll be ready to go

[LauryThorn 0]

fuck = vittu

kick ass = potkia perseelle

idiot = idiootti

shallow-minded = pinnallinen

you = sinä

Ready to go?

[Longinius 1]

"it will be better off than before.. dont ry to point a finger like the US is soo bad for going.. remember Britian and India? do you want me to even go there?"

So the US can get their pipeline, ofcourse.

"maby the big evil US shouldent have given all that money after WW2 to help rebuild germany, GB and Japan (it was the only country that gave any).."

Which nations that could have helped / paid, didn't do it? Name some?

"Those prisoners down at Guantanamo Bay get btter treatment than a U.S. citizen that is in Jail, so please dont feed me your sob stories of how they are treated inmhumanly!"

No they don't. American prisoners sleep indoors, with walls around them. They get to move around without shackles and blindfolds. They get to talk to eachother. They have visitation rights.

"America tried to talk to the Talibanm long before we ever went to war with them. We told them to turn over Osama Bin Laden or face the consequences, we even gave them a week to think about it, but there answer was no! and guess what, they are paying teh consequences."

You ever stop to think about the fact that Osama was not theirs to hand over? He was / is not a part of the Taliban government. Asking them to hand him over would be like asking the US government to hand over any domestic terrorist. 'Here, you got a week to find him and bring him to us. Fail to do it and its WAR!'

"And while we are on teh subject of being treated inhumanly, what about Daniel Pearl, the American reporter who was mercilessly killed for no fucking reason,"

There was a reason for his death. A fucked up one, but still a reason. 'Mess with us and we kill you. Do not doubt, we are serious'. Same attitude as the US government, only a much smaller scale.

"what about the Navy Seal who fell out of teh back of a chinook and was drug off by te taliban and killed??"

Fucked up. But like so many Americans say when it comes to war, 'Shit happens'. Oh, right, that can't be applied when it happens to US troops, right?

"see this is wtf im tlaking aobut, you dont give a fuck what they do, but the second the U.S. does something that YOU ( key is YOU) think is wrong, your all over us. "

There is a simple reason for this. We all know the Taliban are in the wrong. The US is SUPPOSED to be the good guys. Who is watching the watcher? Who is policing the police?

"And what about civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to be a little on topic."

Thats a tired discussion. Using those nukes might actually have saved many lifes.

"Who agrees that US foreign politics (is that the right word) has changed for a lot worse since George W. was elected?"

It hasn't gotten much worse. It is basically the same.

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Mar. 12 2002,04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"it will be better off than before..  dont ry to point a finger like the US is soo bad for going.. remember Britian and India? do you want me to even go there?"

So the US can get their pipeline, ofcourse.

"maby the big evil US shouldent have given all that money after WW2 to help rebuild germany, GB and Japan (it was the only country that gave any).."

Which nations that could have helped / paid, didn't do it? Name some?

"Those prisoners down at Guantanamo Bay get btter treatment than a U.S. citizen that is in Jail, so please dont feed me your sob stories of how they are treated inmhumanly!"

No they don't. American prisoners sleep indoors, with walls around them. They get to move around without shackles and blindfolds. They get to talk to eachother. They have visitation rights.

"America tried to talk to the Talibanm long before we ever went to war with them. We told them to turn over Osama Bin Laden or face the consequences, we even gave them a week to think about it, but there answer was no! and guess what, they are paying teh consequences."

You ever stop to think about the fact that Osama was not theirs to hand over? He was / is not a part of the Taliban government. Asking them to hand him over would be like asking the US government to hand over any domestic terrorist. 'Here, you got a week to find him and bring him to us. Fail to do it and its WAR!'

"And while we are on teh subject of being treated inhumanly, what about Daniel Pearl, the American reporter who was mercilessly killed for no fucking reason,"

There was a reason for his death. A fucked up one, but still a reason. 'Mess with us and we kill you. Do not doubt, we are serious'. Same attitude as the US government, only a much smaller scale.

"what about the Navy Seal who fell out of teh back of a chinook and was drug off by te taliban and killed??"

Fucked up. But like so many Americans say when it comes to war, 'Shit happens'. Oh, right, that can't be applied when it happens to US troops, right?

"see this is wtf im tlaking aobut, you dont give a fuck what they do, but the second the U.S. does something that YOU ( key is YOU) think is wrong, your all over us. "

There is a simple reason for this. We all know the Taliban are in the wrong. The US is SUPPOSED to be the good guys. Who is watching the watcher? Who is policing the police?

"And what about civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to be a little on topic."

Thats a tired discussion. Using those nukes might actually have saved many lifes.

"Who agrees that US foreign politics (is that the right word) has changed for a lot worse since George W. was elected?"

It hasn't gotten much worse. It is basically the same.<span id='postcolor'>

I agree with the majority of that whole-heartedly, the only two that really buged me were these.

No they don't. American prisoners sleep indoors, with walls around them. They get to move around without shackles and blindfolds. They get to talk to eachother. They have visitation rights.

I'm sorry but the prisoners down there are getting a hell of a good tretemnt compared to what could be going on, now I know lets not talk about things that could happen. But these men are EASILY receviing fair treatment, do you think that for one moment if the Taliban captured a U.S. citizen they would be fair with him? Hell no they wouldnt they would torture the shit out of him. And there are security reasons as to why they are outdoors, why they cant talk to each other..and none of these men are blindolded, they were blind folded when brought in, but not since, and that was strickly so that they didnt know where they were. Seems fair to me.

and this one

You ever stop to think about the fact that Osama was not theirs to hand over? He was / is not a part of the Taliban government. Asking them to hand him over would be like asking the US government to hand over any domestic terrorist. 'Here, you got a week to find him and bring him to us. Fail to do it and its WAR!'

The Taliban knew full well where Osama was, he was a key contributor to there outfit, they had contact with him regularly, and even said so at public press confences, so to defend them by sayin he wasnt theres to hand over...he very well was there's to hand over. But I know if it was the U.S. asked to do it...being the stubborn government that they are, we owouldnt hand anyone over without a full investigation first, and even then we would probably prosectue them ourselves. I think the reason being is that we know they are goign to get the treatment they deserve, along with a fair trial here. But I can understand where you are ocming from with this one. But some people still dispute the fact that Osama even did it, and that is just humurous to me...

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">fuck               = vittu

kick ass          = potkia perseelle

idiot                = idiootti

shallow-minded = pinnallinen

you                = sinä

Ready to go?<span id='postcolor'>

How do you say LauryThorn is a prick? Or how about your a smartass?

[LauryThorn 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How do you say LauryThorn is a prick? Or how about your a smartass?<span id='postcolor'>

You're pretty vulgar.. And low-level..

Does anyone know the expenses of the operation in Afghanistan? And what has now changed when Taleban

rules no more?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Taliban knew full well where Osama was<span id='postcolor'>

Have you Murda seen undeniable evidence of Osama's guiltiness?

Talebans wanted to see the evidence, but Yanks didn't show

that to them. Instead they launched this war..

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,04:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How do you say LauryThorn is a prick? Or how about your a smartass?<span id='postcolor'>

You're pretty vulgar.. And low-level..

Does anyone know the expenses of the operation in Afghanistan? And what has now changed when Taleban

rules no more?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Taliban knew full well where Osama was<span id='postcolor'>

Have you Murda seen undeniable evidence of Osama's guiltiness?

Talebans wanted to see the evidence, but Yanks didn't show

that to them. Instead they launched this war..<span id='postcolor'>

Again, a mistake of yours. I really doubt the leaders of the world are just jumping into a campaign for a man they believe to be innocent. Yea I have seen plenty of evidence, what about the Video Tapes...and please dont feed me the same BS that they were doctored tapes by the U.S. government. In those tapes Osama talks about how he did it, planned it, and rejoiced afterwards. Like I said dont feed me the BS about how the tapes are fake and doctored, they werent even given to the U.S.....it was given to Alljazeriah(sp?), so your conspiracy theory wont fly.

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,04:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does anyone know the expenses of the operation in Afghanistan? And what has now changed when Taleban

rules no more?<span id='postcolor'><span id='postcolor'>

I do believe it is running well into the hundreds of millions on ordinances dropped alone. I dont have an exact figure though. Several chagnes have already taken place in Afghanistan, women are no longer oppressed, civilians are no longer killed by their government for cutting their hair, watching tv, or acting in a western manner, a U.S> embassy is no in place and a REAL governemnt as well. Other changes have ahppened I jhust cant think of them off teh top of my head, also more changes are soon to follow I'm sure, I'm sorry you find me offensive...It's just your are quite ignorant and irritating to me.

[Longinius 1]

"I'm sorry but the prisoners down there are getting a hell of a good tretemnt compared to what could be going on, now I know lets not talk about things that could happen."

It can ALWAYS be worse. But that is not the point.

"But these men are EASILY receviing fair treatment, do you think that for one moment if the Taliban captured a U.S. citizen they would be fair with him? Hell no they wouldnt they would torture the shit out of him."

They were more than fair with the US citizens and aid workers that were held captive at the start of this conflict. Same with the journalists caught masquerading as women. The aid workers were ALWAYS treated with respect and never tortured, this according to themselves. As for how US people would be treated now, I expect it would be the same way as the SEAL. A bullet to the head. Why? Because they have no other way to deal with prisoners. Fucked up? Yes, for sure.

"And there are security reasons as to why they are outdoors, why they cant talk to each other..and none of these men are blindolded, they were blind folded when brought in, but not since, and that was strickly so that they didnt know where they were. Seems fair to me."

Wrong, blindfolds are still used in the camp. As are shackles to both hands and feet.

"The Taliban knew full well where Osama was, he was a key contributor to there outfit, they had contact with him regularly, and even said so at public press confences, so to defend them by sayin he wasnt theres to hand over...he very well was there's to hand over."

They knew where he was...so? That does not mean they could hand him over. Wanna bet that Osamas terrorists are better trained and equipped than Taliban regulars?

"But I know if it was the U.S. asked to do it...being the stubborn government that they are, we owouldnt hand anyone over without a full investigation first, and even then we would probably prosectue them ourselves"

Then why not extend that right to other nations aswell? Some nations, like Sweden for example, would not hand out him either since he risked a death penalty in the US. Would you bomb us to?

"But I can understand where you are ocming from with this one. But some people still dispute the fact that Osama even did it, and that is just humurous to me..."

I don't know if he did and I don't know if he didn't. I wonder why he would do it though since he would KNOW America would kick his ass. A stunt like that would be useless if he didn't follow up and finish it. Which he didn't. Which seems odd. At any rate, he IS innocent until proven guilty (just like the POW's). Or that does not apply to non Americans?

[WisdoM 1]

Well, I'm off to go to sleep for a few hours before I have to go to school and work. So have fun, I'll will be back to see what sensless comments you have come up with later.

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Mar. 12 2002,04:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"But I can understand where you are ocming from with this one. But some people still dispute the fact that Osama even did it, and that is just humurous to me..."

I don't know if he did and I don't know if he didn't. I wonder why he would do it though since he would KNOW America would kick his ass. A stunt like that would be useless if he didn't follow up and finish it. Which he didn't. Which seems odd. At any rate, he IS innocent until proven guilty (just like the POW's). Or that does not apply to non Americans?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes Osama can be Innocent til proven guilty, but I still hold my right to form an opinion as to his guilt. But the POW's were caught fighting in the war..so they are pretty much already guilty there.

[Longinius 1]

"Yes Osama can be Innocent til proven guilty, but I still hold my right to form an opinion as to his guilt. But the POW's were caught fighting in the war..so they are pretty much already guilty there."

But guilty of what? Last I checked fighting a war was not a crime in itself.

[LauryThorn 0]

I really doubt the leaders of the world are just jumping into a campaign for a man they believe to be innocent.

How do U know that they were just for this "man" or "terrorism"?

Again, a mistake of yours

What mistake? I am asking questions, so I can't make mistakes.

women are no longer oppressed

Did you know the islam law is still there? Women all oppressed still, as they are all around the world. People are still executed, by throwing stones at them.

It's just your are quite ignorant and irritating to me.

I wouldn't call me ignorant. I know exactly what's going on.

I just think for myself, and not believe what people want me to believe.

Yea I have seen plenty of evidence

Tell me exactly what?

what about the Video Tapes

When you commit a murder, confession is not a valid proof.

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,04:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I really doubt the leaders of the world are just jumping into a campaign for a man they believe to be innocent.

How do U know that they were just for this "man" or "terrorism"?

Again, a mistake of yours

What mistake? I am asking questions, so I can't make mistakes.

women are no longer oppressed

Did you know the islam law is still there? Women all oppressed still, as they are all around the world. People are still executed, by throwing stones at them.

It's just your are quite ignorant and irritating to me.

I wouldn't call me ignorant. I know exactly what's going on.

I just think for myself, and not believe what people want me to believe.

Yea I have seen plenty of evidence

Tell me exactly what?

what about the Video Tapes

When you commit a murder, confession is not a valid proof.<span id='postcolor'>

thank you for proving how truly stupid you are.

[Longinius 1]

"thank you for proving how truly stupid you are."

Well, he is right you know. Atleast here in Sweden you cannot get sentenced on a confession alone. Proof is still needed. Most of the time the guy confessing can produce that proof though, if he truly did it. But the fact remains, a confession is not enough for a verdict.

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Mar. 12 2002,04:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Yes Osama can be Innocent til proven guilty, but I still hold my right to form an opinion as to his guilt. But the POW's were caught fighting in the war..so they are pretty much already guilty there."

But guilty of what? Last I checked fighting a war was not a crime in itself.<span id='postcolor'>

Gilty of Attempted murder, guilty of plotting to murder. Why do you stick up for these people? I think you argue just for the sake of arguing, you remind me alot of my little cousin, who is 6. He will argue to the death, even if you reverse theargument, he will find some way to try and argue with you about it.