red oct 2 Posted February 16, 2002 it was very good, personaly watching that kinda stuff gives even the most humble person the taste for blood for what that sick bastard nazi sniper did to that poor kid, i wouldnt have given that mofo the inch of a quick shot to the head thats for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Porta 0 Posted February 16, 2002 Sasha (i think thats how you spell it) knew the risks. It was brave of him to be a spy, but he was warned not to return to the German lines by Konig. Put yourself in his position what would you do as Konig? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilandor 1 Posted February 16, 2002 i just got that film last night and yet to watch it so is it any good ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Porta 0 Posted February 16, 2002 I think its great, but half of the forum got pissed off because of the sex scene in it. Some people arnt getting enough Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christophercles 0 Posted February 16, 2002 it would be good, but its not really based on fact, vassili was there, and he was a sniper, awarded the rank of hero, but thats all that was true about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Porta 0 Posted February 16, 2002 True! but its entertainment, also the yanks wouldint like it if it was based solely on facts. A better film that is based on the Eastern front is Cross of Iron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christophercles 0 Posted February 16, 2002 I loved cross of iron, but most people havnt seen or heard of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John C Flett 0 Posted February 16, 2002 It is a good film. It is not acurate history which is worth saying but not intended as a criticism. Certainly worth seeing. I have heard good things about the film 'Stalingrad' but sadly it seems to only be in a dubbed version on UK video so I've been avoiding it. I did try 'Cross of Iron' but I thought it had aged really badly. Couldn't stick it through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted February 16, 2002 Actually, Sacha was hung so that his mother could see him.. That's what the director of the movie, Jean-Jaques Annaud said. As far as I see, the German sniper also used Sacha to implicitly request a duel to Vassili. And when he realized that his last chance was around, he saw no use for Sacha and told him to stay out of the spy business. Why? if you saw end of the movie, Koenig requests to stay one more day to battle Vassili, and when the German commander worries about their morale plummeting in case Koenig looses, requests that Koenig turn his ID in. At that scene, he also gives an Iron Cross medal to the German commander. Koenig says it was awarded to his son, who was KIA on first day of attack on Stalingrad. So Koenig wanted to revenge his son's death, but also at same time, saw image of a devoted boy for his cause, like his dead son, in Sacha. So Koenig actually wanted to spare Sacha's life as long as it fit his cause. That's why upon asking Sacha why he is giving infos about Vassili to him, Koenig says, 'Becuase you like chocolates I give you'.(to divulge infos about Vassili). I mean, what kind of nuthead wouldn't think the boy is a spy when the boy says 'I saw Vassili's rifle up close and I touched it.'? Annaud also mentioned that becuase lack of records(or absence of) about Konig, he had to rely on Russina dociers and Vassili's own memoir. But Vassili said,in his memoir, the actual name of the sniper was Thorvald, which was also a common name in Germany at that time. So it is questionable if anyone like him existed. Also someone here(L24A?) said that there were no sniper schools in Germany back then. i.e. there can't be anyone helping Vassili, claiming to be student of Koenig's sniper school. So the movie was about how a system could elevate a person's situation and reflect the massive killing into duel of 2 individuals. Anyway, anybody know who that guy Vassili was teamed up with in the movie? The one supposedly there to help Vassili kill Koenig? the one with metal teeth..... Povovich or something like that....I think I saw that guy from TV series called Highlander: the Series from a few years back. I think he's same actor who played as fake 'Methos' who get slashed by some immortal who was American Confederacy Officer. Also, the love scene Shit,,,i wish I can screw Rachael Weiss like that.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie_McSheenie 1 Posted February 16, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (John C Flett @ Feb. 16 2002,18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is a good film. It is not acurate history which is worth saying but not intended as a criticism. Certainly worth seeing. I have heard good things about the film 'Stalingrad' but sadly it seems to only be in a dubbed version on UK video so I've been avoiding it. I did try 'Cross of Iron' but I thought it had aged really badly. Couldn't stick it through.<span id='postcolor'> The dubbed version isn't bad, its actually pretty cool and the voice acting is alright, you get used to it. Amazon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted February 17, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sasha (i think thats how you spell it) knew the risks. It was brave of him to be a spy, but he was warned not to return to the German lines by Konig. Â Put yourself in his position what would you do as Konig?<span id='postcolor'> its still not right, what kinda of stradegic advantage would you gain by killing some child? a real soldier would have just let him go, or to the very most just make him as bait while keeping him alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thehamster 0 Posted February 17, 2002 You would anger your sniper opponent so maybe they would be too angry to fight to the best of their ability or something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted February 17, 2002 that doesnt always work that way, sometimes it might just give you the disadvantage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John C Flett 0 Posted February 17, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyway, anybody know who that guy Vassili was teamed up with in the movie? The one supposedly there to help Vassili kill Koenig? the one with metal teeth..... Povovich or something like that....I think I saw that guy from TV series called Highlander: the Series from a few years back. I think he's same actor who played as fake 'Methos' who get slashed by some immortal who was American Confederacy Officer. <span id='postcolor'> Ron Pearlman as I remember. Don't know about Highlander but he's been in 'Beauty and the Beast', 'Name of the Rose', 'Alien Resurrection' and 'City of Lost Children' to name a few. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wobble 1 Posted February 17, 2002 also the yanks wouldint like it if it was based solely on facts. yes, as proven by the dismal failure that blackhawk down has been Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilandor 1 Posted February 17, 2002 well i watched it cant say i was overly impressed with it but it was good to see a different view point to the second world war (via the russians), and the sniper duel was pretty impressive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted February 17, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (John C Flett @ Feb. 17 2002,11:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyway, anybody know who that guy Vassili was teamed up with in the movie? The one supposedly there to help Vassili kill Koenig? the one with metal teeth..... Povovich or something like that....I think I saw that guy from TV series called Highlander: the Series from a few years back. I think he's same actor who played as fake 'Methos' who get slashed by some immortal who was American Confederacy Officer. <span id='postcolor'> Ron Pearlman as I remember. Don't know about Highlander but he's been in 'Beauty and the Beast', 'Name of the Rose', 'Alien Resurrection' and 'City of Lost Children' to name a few.<span id='postcolor'> Thanx JCFlett!!!! Hmmm that explains a couple of fun things. The director of 'Enemy at the Gates' is Jean-Jacues Annaud, who also made 'The name of the rose'! Probably Annaud said, 'Hey, Ron, wanna lend me a hand here?' and that's why he was in there. Also, Ed Harris, who played Koenig, was on 'Apollo 13', directed by Ron Howard(is this correct?). Ron Howard recently made movie 'A Beatiful Mind', where Ed Harris plays(AFAIK) a bureaucratic guy from NSA. Seems like there's some sort of player image prefernce going on. And one more thing. Annaud seems to put love scene in the middle of the movie, and whoever gets it on seems to be the naive character who, after sex, gets to point of emotional conflict. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thehamster 0 Posted February 17, 2002 Don't forget Ed Harris played the general in "The Rock" the one with all the chemical weapons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted February 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Thehamster @ Feb. 17 2002,21:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't forget Ed Harris played the general in "The Rock" the one with all the chemical weapons.<span id='postcolor'> ahhh...Thanx for pointing it out! Remember that face now. Stern, cold....he has face for it. Someone oughtta make Alcatrez when island builder comes out. Or using OXYGEN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! could someone do that? PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Porta 0 Posted February 19, 2002 "its still not right, what kinda of stradegic advantage would you gain by killing some child? a real soldier would have just let him go, or to the very most just make him as bait while keeping him alive." Did anyone see the Documentary on CNN about Black Hawk Down a few weeks ago? Near the end of it one of the Rangers said that the Miltia men were using woman as human shields (of there own free will aparently) and the only way to shoot the men was to shoot the woman. Also they used children to carry munitions to supply there frontline. I would of done the same thing if I was in there positions, I'm no monster but if i had to kill 100+ unarmed civilians aiding those men I would do it just to get to my loved ones. I also think everyone in this forum would do the same thing if they were in that position. Shit Happens! "yes, as proven by the dismal failure that blackhawk down has been" Well U-571 was fiction and it done very well in the US box office. I'm not trying to start a flame war here just putting my point across. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angry Radish 0 Posted February 19, 2002 BHD was a failure not because it was a movie about the facts, it was a sad attempted cash-in on the facts, which was then twisted into an MTV video. Everyone is trying to cash in on the "Saving Private Ryan" formula, only not one has worked yet. Now there are hundreds of 12 yearolds thinking it's the best #### movie in the world, that the military flies around in helicopters listening to rock music, and everyone is an amazing hero that fights valiantly. Bah :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
