The Christmas/New Year Topic

[denoir 0]

Bullshit! You are taking it out of it's proportions. I'm like you not Jesus Christ. I'm not the ultimate altruist - nor are you! But I do feel that if there at one point should be possible to pause ones normal life and do things a little bit differernt then the this is the right time. To party on like any and every new years eve isn't in my mind a special way of celebrating life . Or is did you do it like this yourself: This drink goes to all the people struck by the disaster in Southeast Asia! Cheers - happy new year everyone!

Oh, right, so you are only willing to give up things you personally don't care about -like fireworks.

Don't you find that a bit hypocritical?

Quote[/b] ]This catastrophy is so grave and enormous that I feel it's time to do things differently this time. It's not about giving up ones lifestyle - but to show some propper respect. It's not about making this thread or topic into silly examples of what to do in the extremes. Your examples are nothing else!

My examples are to show where you draw your limits of 'caring'. You don't care about fireworks so that's something that's easy to for you to demand others to give up. You do however like your brand of wine, so you'll have no objections to indulging yourself there. It's all the same.

Actually, I think that the celebrations were a necessity. At least in Sweden, we havn't received the full blow yet. 3,500+ people are missing, but only some 50 bodies have been confirmed so far. Wait until the bodies start being identified and coming back home. When the relatives of those missing have to accept that they're dead. Then you'll see a people in depression. All the fun and joy is needed now to cope with the tragedy that is inevitably coming.

[brgnorway 0]

Quote[/b] ]Oh, right, so you are only willing to give up things you personally don't care about -like fireworks.

Don't you find that a bit hypocritical?

Well, if you cared to read my posts instead of creating your own ideas about me inside your head you'd see that I also wrote this: My fiance and I chose to stay at home and play it down - and we both gave what we consider to be a generous amount.

And noone is asking you to give up your life because of others missery and tradgedy. But to do at least something is better than nothing. To give ones "fireworks money" to the Red Cross and at the same time show some respect by playing it down was in my mind a good thing!

Or do you mean that because I'm so inconsequent as not caring fully as you say I should choose between:

1. Giving it all away to help others as in not keeping anything for yourself.

or

2. don't do anything because clearly one doesn't know where to draw the line of caring anyway.

Quote[/b] ]My examples are to show where you draw your limits of 'caring'. You don't care about fireworks so that's something that's easy to for you to demand others to give up. You do however like your brand of wine, so you'll have no objections to indulging yourself there. It's all the same.

Well, I gave as much as I know there won't be very much left for anything else than what I need to pay for food, my student loans and other nessecities. It's not as I'm going to invest heavily in clarets from St. Emilion the coming months.

[denoir 0]

My fiance and I chose to stay at home and play it down - and we both gave what we consider to be a generous amount.

Yeah, and I gave money to the Red Cross and the Médecins Sans FrontiÄres and enjoyed the fireworks. Now I didn't buy any fireworks - but that's just because I don't usually do it either. This was my choice and I'm not trying to shove it down the throats of other people and demand that they do the same.

This is not a question about giving money, it is a question about you trying to dictate where that money is coming from - based on your priorities. You may have saved that money by not buying fireworks, somebody else might have saved them by not buying a new camera or whatever. Point being that you have no right claiming moral superiority because you are getting the money by not buying something that you specifically feel you can sacrifice.

If you want to go down the road of moral absolutes, then it can't stop until you have as little as you can just survive with. First then you can claim "true" solidarity.

Furthermore you seem to be conveniently forgetting the fact that just about everybody is giving. I'm sure that you in Norway have this little thing called "taxes" too and that the people you elected use a part of that money for disaster relief.

[brgnorway 0]

Quote[/b] ]Yeah, and I gave money to the Red Cross and the Médecins Sans FrontiÄres and enjoyed the fireworks. Now I didn't buy any fireworks - but that's just because I don't usually do it either. This was my choice and I'm not trying to shove it down the throats of other people and demand that they do the same.

This is not a question about giving money, it is a question about you trying to dictate where that money is coming from - based on your priorities. You may have saved that money by not buying fireworks, somebody else might have saved them by not buying a new camera or whatever.

First of all you are reducing this to nothing else than an economic aspect. Dignity is about more than giving money - it's also about showing respect.

Quote[/b] ]Point being that you have no right claiming moral superiority because you are getting the money by not buying something that you specifically feel you can sacrifice.

Oh, disregarding what I wrote agian? Didn't you see that I wrote I gave as much as I could. So, basicaly I sacrifice a lot!

And I'm not claiming moral highground because I feel it's wrong to celebrate and partying on. Thankfully, I'm not alone as many more did exactly the same as me here in Norway.

Quote[/b] ]If you want to go down the road of moral absolutes, then it can't stop until you have as little as you can just survive with. First then you can claim "true" solidarity.

Fucking ridiculous! Whatever gave you the impression that I'm about to give up my present personal life to help others. But go ahead and make judgements on my behalf because I felt it was wrong to light up the fireworks this year!

Quote[/b] ]Furthermore you seem to be conveniently forgetting the fact that just about everybody is giving. I'm sure that you in Norway have this little thing called "taxes" too and that the people you elected use a part of that money for disaster relief.

Hmmmm........by that logic we should abandon the yearly "TV-collecting" for humanitarion purposes. We only give something like 150 million NKR anyway - and then some via the taxes.

The people of Norway have already collected twice as much as the people have given by the government. Are you seriously saying we should abandon that just because we give anyway through the government wether the people want to or not. There is a saying in Norway that goes like this: give so it hurts! And it's a good saying! If you want to use it against me then all I can say is I don't fucking care!

Good night - enjoy your cava!

[shadow 6]

This topic is about Christmas and New Year, not the disaster in Asia.

Stick to the topic.

[Placebo 29]

Christmas/New Year are over