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[Duke_of_Ray 0]

I wanted see how other people felt about this situation. Personally I do not like it in one way, but feel it is good in another way. I hate that fact that people post something like that without asking the family, it makes me very angry. Though I do feel it is good in the way it lets us know who our enemy is, and that they are a ruthless group who has to be delt with. So Im not sure if it is good or not, so what do you guys think?

P.S. Im not talking about here, I mean on the net in general.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Quote[/b] ]§5)No posting of explicit images

No posting of pictures containing porn, real killing, mutilations, wounds, carnage, and other disgusting/explicit images. This also includes links to pages that contain such images. There have been a number of incidents where people have linked to news sites which unbeknownst to them contains obscene images a few mouse clicks away, while we can't expect people to check every link on a site it is strongly suggested that whenever making a post about a news item the post is structured in a way that provides the information without risk of breaching the rules. A good example of how to do this can be seen below. If you're ever unsure as to whether or not a link should be posted on the forum feel free to PM a moderator for guidance.

Q.E.D.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

@ June 23 2004,23:56)]

Quote[/b] ]§5)No posting of explicit images

No posting of pictures containing porn, real killing, mutilations, wounds, carnage, and other disgusting/explicit images. This also includes links to pages that contain such images. There have been a number of incidents where people have linked to news sites which unbeknownst to them contains obscene images a few mouse clicks away, while we can't expect people to check every link on a site it is strongly suggested that whenever making a post about a news item the post is structured in a way that provides the information without risk of breaching the rules. A good example of how to do this can be seen below. If you're ever unsure as to whether or not a link should be posted on the forum feel free to PM a moderator for guidance.

Q.E.D.

Guess I should be more specific, I ment just anywhere on the net.

Uhh what does "Q.E.D." mean? TELL ME PLEASE!

[Tex -USMC- 0]

It stands for 'quod erat demonstradum'.

edit: which means "which was to be shown/proven". Generally used to indicate the end of an argument after a particular piece of evidence or argument is brought to bear.

[Major Gripe 0]

I wanted see how other people felt about this situation. Personally I do not like it in one way, but feel it is good in another way. I hate that fact that people post something like that without asking the family, it makes me very angry. Though I do feel it is good in the way it lets us know who our enemy is, and that they are a ruthless group who has to be delt with. So Im not sure if it is good or not, so what do you guys think?

P.S. Im not talking about here, I mean on the net in general.

Correct me if I'm wrong but do you mean in the highlighted sentence that the the murderer, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, should have phoned Mrs Berg, for example, to say "I've just killed your son, is it alright if I post a video of this on the 'net?" Sorry if that sounds facile but could you be more naive if you tried?!

[Balschoiw 0]

I don´t want to take any side here but do you think there is much of a difference of showing the beheading of a man or the impact of a missile into a house, vehicle, etc... ?

I don´t want to play bad guy but the media here in germany didn´t show these beheadings and I´m happy with that but they showed pictures from embedded reporters that showed how people got killed in Iraq. Not that close of course, but nethertheless they got killed. Men, women, car´s missiled, houses, cruise missiles impacts and so on. What´s the difference ? The beheaded had a solo while the others were nameless victims. Only difference for me. Noone screams out loud when he sees some undramatic kids starving in Africa. That´s just the regular piece of thrill in the evening news. But all scream when the person getting killed is white and in the hands of muslims.

I don´t want to talk of double standards but media just tries to feed what people want to see and if you´ve ever been to a major traffic accident and have seen how many people gather there only to get a short look on horror you´ll understand that these are the dark sides of human nature.

It´s summed up like this:

"Oh how terrible, but at least it is not me. Can I see this in SlowMo again ?"

You know media wouldn´t show it if there weren´t enough people to watch it but the media is responsible, not the people.

[Akira 0]

I don´t want to take any side here but do you think there .....

Hate to say it but I have to agree with Bals on this.

Really all you have to do is lookin your own heart. Why the outrage over the beheading, while at the same time when we hear 30 Iraqi civilians just got blown up we barely flinch?

Yes the beheading pissed me off. Then I thought, why does the death of Iraqi's A) seem less tragic and B) get mentioned only in passing in a news story?

Does it just boil down to us and them? That one American outweighs countless Iraqi's? Is it so simple as that they are not one of us? The South Korean beheading hardly got the outrage that the Americans did. Why is that? Because he's not "one of us"?

[MSpencer 0]

To sum up my views quickly:

Cluster bombs, oooh we love those cluster bombs.

Really, they are so angry they are willing to behead civilians and contractors. How can you actually be that angry to physically cut a man's head off?

[reconmercs 0]

Does it just boil down to us and them? That one American outweighs countless Iraqi's? Is it so simple as that they are not one of us? The South Korean beheading hardly got the outrage that the Americans did. Why is that? Because he's not "one of us"?

Damn Straight! I wouldn't save 1000 iraqis if it meant one American soldier would have to die for it...and anyone who says the contrary can kiss my ass...I'm getting sick of people making excuses for terrorists(not saying anyone on this board is) and bashing American just to be bashing Americans. There is a difference between them our civilians and us killing iraqi civilians or whatever...we are not aiming to kill civlians..they are going out and looking for the weakest, easiest target they can find and beheading them..there is no excuse for it and its not the same freaking thing...and if someone post pictures or videos of ANY innocent civilian being beheaded...they themselves should be put on the chopping block..period

[Akira 0]

A) No one makes excuses for terrorists

B) No one bashes American's just to bash Americans. We have gone through this many times in this forum. It boils down to:

If we don't like being bashed, don't do anything that they can bash us for.

The Iraq War was not it. Sticking chemical lights up a prisoners ass is not it.

What if saving 1000 Iraqi civilians for the life of 200 soldiers not only increased our standing in the Mid East, but the World in general? Would it be worth it then?

And really there is no difference in killing civilians. They are civilians and in the end they are still dead.

[billybob2002 0]

I'm so sexy *starts dance*

[reconmercs 0]

What if saving 1000 Iraqi civilians for the life of 200 soldiers not only increased our standing in the Mid East, but the World in general? Would it be worth it then?

No it wouldn't..for the simple fact that I might know one of those soldiers call it selfish or call it whatever but the answer is no

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]What if saving 1000 Iraqi civilians for the life of 200 soldiers not only increased our standing in the Mid East, but the World in general? Would it be worth it then?

You mean Saddam, whose thugs killed a lot of civils, booting out of office did not increase our standing in the ME?

[Akira 0]

What if saving 1000 Iraqi civilians for the life of 200 soldiers not only increased our standing in the Mid East, but the World in general? Would it be worth it then?

No it wouldn't..for the simple fact that I might know one of those soldiers call it selfish or call it whatever but the answer is no

So basically saving 1000 people isn't worth soldiers lives because you might know the soldier?

And you wonder why people bash the US?

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]What if saving 1000 Iraqi civilians for the life of 200 soldiers not only increased our standing in the Mid East, but the World in general? Would it be worth it then?

You mean Saddam, whose thugs killed a lot of civils, booting out of office did not increase our standing in the ME?

What do you think?

Don't you have a speech to write??

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]What do you think?

Don't you have a speech to write??

..... ......have to wait to friday to format a outline......

[reconmercs 0]

What if saving 1000 Iraqi civilians for the life of 200 soldiers not only increased our standing in the Mid East, but the World in general? Would it be worth it then?

No it wouldn't..for the simple fact that I might know one of those soldiers call it selfish or call it whatever but the answer is no

So basically saving 1000 people isn't worth soldiers lives because you might know the soldier?

And you wonder why people bash the US?

ah I see we have another radical liberal on the board...yes lets hug trees and make the world love us because we are the evil Americans...so we should sacrifice those who have given us the freedoms we enjoy today just so some 3rd world terrorist with a jealousy complex can feel all tingley inside...tell ya what...if you wanna volunteer to die to help people who consider you the infidel....I won't object to that...

[IceFire 0]

Hey Reconmercs, you pretty much read my mind on this issue. I couln't have stated it clearer myself.

Most of the problems over there now are entirely their own fault. We freed them, gave them control of their own destiny. And instead of building anew and forming a new liberated society like they easily could have, they instead decided to embrace blind meaningless violence against us and themselves for no other reason than religion and some stupid sense of that they are "smiting the americans".

Whatever. They are digging their own hole, they should get themselves out of it.

If we left Iraq right now, they would probably be puzzled over the new problem of having noone to murder and scream about. They would probably then just randomly shoot themselves out of stupidity and bewilderment.

[TheRedBaron 0]

Not everyone in iraq is anti american, only a small majority of the population is against us but they are all the media focuses on. As for airing the beheading tapes, no they shouldnt have aired them but they did and they will do it again. I dont think the beheadings really compares to us bombing iraq on the news. It is not like we just fired random missiles into iraq killing civilians at our whim. We didnt capture their civilians and cut their heads off in front of cameras and brodcasting it around the world. If we did that I would doubt if any of you would have the same position you do now saying that it is no diffrent than missile attacks. Just my opinion though.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

I wanted see how other people felt about this situation. Personally I do not like it in one way, but feel it is good in another way. I hate that fact that people post something like that without asking the family, it makes me very angry. Though I do feel it is good in the way it lets us know who our enemy is, and that they are a ruthless group who has to be delt with. So Im not sure if it is good or not, so what do you guys think?

P.S. Im not talking about here, I mean on the net in general.

Correct me if I'm wrong but do you mean in the highlighted sentence that the the murderer, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, should have phoned Mrs Berg, for example, to say "I've just killed your son, is it alright if I post a video of this on the 'net?" Sorry if that sounds facile but could you be more naive if you tried?!

No, I am talking about any news station with any compassion at all. Also these stupid Internet sites like Ogrish that post all that crap. I just hate it for the family, but I would like for some of these gutless anitamerican jerks over here in the states to see this, to see why we have to fight. I hate that any Iraqi civilian was killed, or could be, but at least the U.S. is not killing them on purpose. Yes I know it is still bad, but thats part of war. The worthless murderes do this for no good reason, they are full of hate. Man I had rather die fighting than be captured by these people.

[theavonlady 2]

It should be viewed by everyone.

Beheading (rated G for general audiences).

Very sad.

[Akira 0]

ah I see we have another radical liberal on the board...yes lets hug trees and make the world love us because we are the evil Americans...so we should sacrifice those who have given us the freedoms we enjoy today just so some 3rd world terrorist with a jealousy complex can feel all tingley inside...tell ya what...if you wanna volunteer to die to help people who consider you the infidel....I won't object to that...

What a complete load of crap. Typical neo-con response to any criticism ("Why do you hate America?")

Give me a break and grow up. If that is the best arguement you have then you should seriously rethink your position.

Did it ever occur to your limited logic, that we have these freedoms because people were necessarily sacrificed. Soldiers are not here to sit around sad to say.

Also I should point out that your post borders on rascism with your "3rd world terrorist" comment, since it seems to imply that all Arabs are terrorists.

I didn't say anything about saving terrorists did I? I said civilians. Unless of course you do believe that all Iraqis are terrorists, in which case I recommend you keep your ignorant , hill-billy thoughts to yourself if you want to remain on this board.

So going back to saving civilians and saving/helping them. Did it ever occur to your superior tactical mind, that being that we "liberated" the Iraqi civilians, that it is now our moral responsibility to protect them?

And since I know you will say "No", then where exactly do we get the moral authority to bomb the hell out of people and offer nothing in return? What makes us so superior to everyone that we can righteously hold their life and death in our hands?

And as for "people who consider you the infidel" comment, how is that any different than your very own ignorant image of them as barbarians?

I guess all cultures have their low end....

[theavonlady 2]

Also I should point out that your post borders on rascism with your "3rd world terrorist" comment, since it seems to imply that all Arabs are terrorists.

There are 3rd world terrorists in Indonesia, Chechnya, Phillipines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan and much more and most of them aren't Arabs.

In fact, by automatically associating the term "3rd world terrorists" with Arabs, I would say that you're the one showing racial tendencies here.

[Akira 0]

Also I should point out that your post borders on rascism with your "3rd world terrorist" comment, since it seems to imply that all Arabs are terrorists.

There are 3rd world terrorists in Indonesia, Chechnya, Phillipines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan and much more and most of them aren't Arabs.

In fact, by automatically associating the term "3rd world terrorists" with Arabs, I would say that you're the one showing racial tendencies here.

Considering we are talking about Iraq here, Arab's is an acceptable generalization. And considering we know many in Al Queda and Iraq are Jordanian, Saudi, etc etc, I think it is still acceptable. Or would you rather I specify Sunni/Shite etc etc.

So please keep with the thread of the conversation before accusing me.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Why *do* you hate America so much, Akira?