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[mattmayhem 0]

Why would the US sell egypt the M1 if egypt is an enemy of Israel?

[python3 0]

Why would the US sell egypt the M1 if egypt is an enemy of Israel?

cuz it is no longer "officially" an enemy. They are at "peace". Plus as a result of its peace treaty, it gets $1.3 billion in military aid and has moved to the US's sphere of influence. The mubarak regime is pro western, and the US needs a large arab ally to guard against the former iraqi threat, pre 1991 it was a member of the coalition in '91, and against iran, so they dont over run the arabian peninsula. It also needs the suez canal to remain open to oil tankers and needs a strong nation to protect that water way.

thanks for the info calm terror, ill look more about the armor. I dont think the US sells DU armor to anyone. Could be wrong.

[miles teg 1]

They are not presently on a hostile footing towards Israel.  In addition these arms sales are part of the Camp David Peace Treaty signed in 1978 betwee Egypt and Israel.  Egypt recieves around 2 billion dollars a year in foreign aid 1.3 billion of which goes to the purchase of weapon systems (mostly American).

http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/egypt.htm

 You have to remember that in America, the Defense industry is one of the most powerful lobbying forces in Washington D.C..   $$ often takes precedence over politics.   I agree that it is foolish, but we are arming potential foes that could very easily turn on Israel and the United States due to the political instability in Egypt.   However it should also be said, that the Egyptian military is VERY anti-Islamist for the most part and so they serve as a powerful deterent to Islamic militants in Egypt who seek to turn Egypt into an Taliban style Islamic state.  

Also I should note that the Egyptian military has very close ties with the United States military due to annual joint training done between the two countries.  

I myself trained with the Egyptians in 1998 and overall I found them to be friendly and professional.

At any rate, the deed is done and hopefully they will remain a stable ally in the Middle East and will be a voice of reason.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[mattmayhem 0]

Are you guys gonna fix the muzzle flash on the Car-15 in the iron sight view so that the flash does not appear over it in the next release? It would be great if you could do so as it is rather enoying.

[calm_terror 0]

yes.

[mattmayhem 0]

Will the "clown hat" helmet covers be equipped to all the IDF forces or will you just make an extra unit with (Metzinfret) beside it? I think that would be best so that we can add them without having to have all the soldiers with those covers since not every soldier wears them.

[miles teg 1]

Yeah the clown hat will only be on one unit per unit type (except for S'13) and all the snipers will be wearing them as it is very often worn by snipers. The regular unit with the clown hat is just a rifleman in each unit type so that way you can equip them with whatever weapons you want using the weapon class and ammo names found in the readme.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[mr_rOk 0]

@ Miles Teg:

Are you planning the Sabra too, or is your mod concentrating only on the 1950-1970 era?

On a sidenote;

I noticed on page 1 a screenshot showing a modified Sherman with a 60mm gun. Is/was this real?

Cos 60mm was outdated long before the end of ww2.

Could it be it is a 60mm mortar? Israelis have the habit of placing mortars onto armoured vehicles. Plus the calibre matches.

Achzarit would be nice too.

[miles teg 1]

@ Miles Teg:

Are you planning the Sabra too, or is your mod concentrating only on the 1950-1970 era?

On a sidenote;

I noticed on page 1 a screenshot showing a modified Sherman with a 60mm gun. Is/was this real?

Cos 60mm was outdated long before the end of ww2.

Could it be it is a 60mm mortar? Israelis have the habit of placing mortars onto armoured vehicles. Plus the calibre matches.

Achzarit would be nice too.

Well if we could find a modeller who could make the Sabra turret for us we could do it. However the Sabra, if I remember correctly, is a export only tank at the moment designed as a cheap upgrade to older M60 tanks that brings it up to the level of a heavy tank like the M1A1, Challenger II, ect... with a 120mm cannon and very heavy armor with the potential for further armor upgrade using reactive armor.

While it likely does not have DU armor, from the size of the turret it looks to be incredibly thick and likely can take an enormous amount of punishment.

However we are experimenting with a Magach 7C model, but it needs alot of work and what we really need is assistance from a modellor who is skilled in making tank turrets.

The same problem with the Achzarit. Its model is very complex to make. We do have a Puma heavy APC, but even it is not perfectly modelled. It simply is an approximation of the real thing based on a Centurion AVLB model that the OPGWC was kind enough to let us use and modify into a Puma...or a Puma-like APC. Since there are lots of Centurion based APC variants we decided ours would be look fairly close and worth releasing.

As for mortars, nope no mortars yet. Those are mainly used to fire illumination rounds. As far as I know they are not used for HE rounds but I could be wrong. At any rate they were not a priority. But in future updates of our tanks we may add stuff like that and some kind of smoke system.

At any rate, we are in the final states of development of our armor pack. We're just working on fixing our Centurion tank and the Puma and then it should all be ready. I think we pretty much finished our M60's yesterday so they should be good to go. Some may still have a few bugs here and there, but hopefully only small bugs.

I think you guys will be pleased with the range of stuff in our next release.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[mr_rOk 0]

thx for the quick reply but everything between "on a sidenote" and "achzarit request" was a comment on the Sherman, not a request for mortars.

Well Sabra is an updated magach so good decision to make one.

btw isn't achzarit made on T-55 undercarriage?

[calm_terror 0]

the 60mm gun ont he Sherman is actual a newer gun it is a high velotity main gun.

it fires a 60mm at round at really high speed.

it is used for infantry support. and is mounted on shermans and m113's.

i beleive it is used veyr limited in the idf due to the many other armours peices they have. but a bunch where sold to areginita i beelive.

also yes the achzarit is a HEAVILY modified T-55 chassis..

on the point of arty i have started a few motars and few howletsiers. but notihng will be released till CoC releases UA 1.1 with pull-in ablity.. once that is able I will be makign jsut aboot every arty peice used by the idf. from the one based on shermans to those based on the merk.

also the Sabra is an export only upgrade..

the IDF actual only use the magach. and there is a few differences in the magach 7 and the sabra..

like the magach only uses an 105mm main gun where the sabra uses a 120mm main gun. etc..

also the Magach usual uses ERA where the Sabra doesn't..

and the turret is almost completely redesigned on the sabra..

also the 120mm gun on the sabra is an autoloader i beleive.

Sabra

Magach

[miles teg 1]

thx for the quick reply but everything between "on a sidenote" and "achzarit request" was a comment on the Sherman, not a request for mortars.

Well Sabra is an updated magach so good decision to make one.

btw isn't achzarit made on T-55 undercarriage?

Oh yeah...the Shermans...right.  Yes the 60mm cannon is a modern gun actually.   While small in caliber it fires an high velocity round capable of very high armor penetration.  

Here is more info on the M60 Sherman that mounts this cannon.  Chile is also using the 60mm HVMS cannon on their Pirannah 6x6 APC's.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons....60.html

As for the achzarit, yes it is based upon the T-55.  But it is a HEAVILY modified T-55 even more so then the BTR-T heavy APC.  The only similarities between the achzarit and the original T-55 are the treads, roadwheels and the very lower half of the chassis. Everything else is totally modified including the rear of the tank that has a new smaller engine in order to make room for a rear exit door.  

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons....it.html

At any rate, modifying a T-55 model into a achzarit would be a major project and we would need some help with that.  If any addon makers out there feel up to it, we would welcome their help in making a achzarit because I also would LOVE to see one of these in OFP.  I think its one of the coolest looking APC's ever made plus its extremely tough and can take alot of hits from RPGs.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[mr_rOk 0]

@ calm_terror

High velocity gun...infantry support

That doesn't compute.

By definition high velocity guns are used as an anti tank weapon not as infantry support-guns with HE ammo are more suitable for that.

IMO the M-60 would qualify today only as a tank hunter not a main battle tank

@Miles Teg

I'm almost certain that mortars are used as a ballistic solution on the merkava, but as I said I'm not sure but will check it out

edit: ah yes I knew I was right:

"The tank is fitted with 7.62mm machine guns and an internally operated 60mm mortar system developed by Soltam Ltd. The mortar can fire explosive and illumination rounds to a range of 2,700m."

From I.weapons website reffering to merkava mk.4, but Im sure others have it too

[miles teg 1]

Well any tank is basically an infantry support vehicle.  But yes the M60 HVMS is a tank hunter but I'm assuming that like most tanks, it can carry HE or HEAT rounds as well.  In addition it has its 7.62mm coaxial machine gun.  

But at any rate, its an actual tank but is no longer used by the IDF.  It will simply be part of our historical armor pack that will be released a bit later on.

Right now we're concentrating on a bit more modern stuff first.

As for the mortar, maybe in a future update we might add one to our Mk2, but its not critical or anything as the AI nor players do alot of indirect firing. In most situations the main cannon does the job in OFP.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[mr_rOk 0]

Modern is good.

[calm_terror 0]

the mortar on a tank is actual a bitch to do and really useless.

the m60 was designed to support infantry ie give them soemtihng to battle armour with.. hence the putitng the 60mm gun on an m113..

Sherman M-60

M113 HVMS

[miles teg 1]

Here's some screenshots that Calm Terror did with the new reflective water stuff by Kegetys:

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[mattmayhem 0]

Where did you get the fisihing boat? lol

[theavonlady 2]

Where did you get the fisihing boat? lol

That's Colonel Klink's addon, of course!

[miles teg 1]

Yup... Col. Klinks.   We're not using it in our mod....just for the screenshot.   However the speedboat is also Col. Klinks and we are using that one in the mod with his permission of coarse.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[mattmayhem 0]

I thought maybe it was gonna be an Egyptian trawler for us to rocket with the Skyhawk .

Anyways, the upcoming release sounds really great and I can't wait to get my paws on it to see what missions I can dream up now. It would be nice to see some activity on the Lost Brothers server once in a while, wouldin't mind getting to race across siani in a zelda with you guys and testing these things out together. Maybe we could make a date to meet on the lobo server and have a session with all the lobo addon users since I havin't found anyone else playing with the addons really. I sent Uzi a couple of my OK missions that we could try and maybe some others could make some too. Anyways if anyone thinks this is a good idea PM me and maybe we could talk to Uzi. You in Miles?

[miles teg 1]

Yeah that sounds good. Uzi was talking about setting up a server for that. Shouldn't be a problem. As for the trawler, we can still use it in missions.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[mattmayhem 0]

Miles, isin't the lobo dedicated server already setup for that? It just needs lobo missions.

[miles teg 1]

Oh yeah...good point.

I still need to convert the latest version of our demo mission to MP. I also have several other missions that need fixing up that will work as well.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[mattmayhem 0]

Sweet, I'll keep working on my basic skill missions . Though I did learn a few things from disecting your DMR demo mission. Thanks. I've mostly made SP/coop missions but i'd like to make a CTF with the lobo units so that we can have all the bases covered once we start playing.