Real tanking in ofp possible?

[hellfish6 7]

All good books about the M-1. Team Yankee also comes in a graphic novel format for you people too lazy to read.

Also, John Antal retired from the Army and is now the editor of the Armchair General magazine in my sig. He's a nice guy.

[jens198 0]

-Griffon26-2lt- @ Jan. 01 2004,19:20)]armored CAV ..by tom clancy

all i gotta say

And not to forget "Into the storm" by Mr. Clancy. But BEWARE of any german translation by the Clancy-non-fiction books.

HORRIBLE!!!

Jens

[jens198 0]

All good books about the M-1. Team Yankee also comes in a graphic novel format for you people too lazy to read.  

Also, John Antal retired from the Army and is now the editor of the Armchair General magazine in my sig. He's a nice guy.

You know him personal hellfish? I read all his "Interactive" military books and enjoyed them a lot !

Jens

[Drill Sergeant 0]

Thats an Early Abrams with a huge 80's radio in it.

The ones they use now are much smaller and 2 of them fit into that slot where the one did.

The commander orders the people on how to engage and opperate while he is also the eyes and ears of the tank.

The Crusaider was supposed to be an auto loading selfpropelled howitzer for the US but it's program never went threw do to costs.

Thought that M1 hull looks ok on the inside there are a few descrepencies on where things are located and such.

When It comes down to it a auto loader wasn't such a good idea for the US millitary and the M1 alltogether.

It's more reliable at one point than an auto loader, since electronics can fail.

The gunner controles the laser ranger on the Main gun and the coax but thats about all.

The commaders m2 can be opperated from inside via a camera and remote control. The loader loads the main gun and works anything else where they need an extra hand.

I think it's beter with a loader because you have 1 extra body to asist in service/protection.

Because with a Loader added to a crew and driveing threw a city, the loader can cover the left. The commander can cover the right and they still can use the 120mm Smothe bore main gun or the 7.62 coax.

But the M1a1 is not the M1a2 which we currently use, though some un upgraded M1a1's still exist.

So you'll definitly run into some ereas that don't over lap.

BTW a Abrams stoping going at 20 MPH on mudy terain suddenly stoping, causes it to really Jerk the back end around.

The DKM Script really doesn't do the weight/power/breaks of a tank or atleast the M1 justice.

[tankieboy 0]

Challengers 1 & 2 have 4 Crew. It is better to have a human loader than a mechanical one. The job of the loader (at least when I was one) is to load the main gun and coax and on Chally 2 the roof mount, monitor the radio networks squadron or battle group depending, maintain and clean all guns and slip the brandy in the tea and cook the grub via the BV and frying pan.

In the British Army rank structure goes as follows Commander, Loader, Gunner, Driver.

In the American Army I believe it goes Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader. Correct me if I am wrong (sure you will).

[Bergmania 0]

Quote[/b] ]wrong...

The M1 Abrams is one of very few tanks in modern times that actually DOES have a human loader...

Almost all Russian tanks, and a lot of European ones (with the Challenger and I *think* the Lepoards as the exception) have auto-loaders.

Hmm.. Most modern western tanks have a human loader only the LeClerk have a autoloader (and I'm not counting the S-Tank as modern ;-) ) as tankieboy sez.. the "extra" guy is good as a extra pair of eyes.. etc..

Tankieboy are you sure about the british rank structure, Sweden have the same structure as the US as otherwise the gunner can't order the loader to load correct ammo.. ??!!

[tankieboy 0]

Quote[/b] ]wrong...

The M1 Abrams is one of very few tanks in modern times that actually DOES have a human loader...

Almost all Russian tanks, and a lot of European ones (with the Challenger and I *think* the Lepoards as the exception) have auto-loaders.

Hmm.. Most modern western tanks have a human loader only the LeClerk have a autoloader (and I'm not counting the S-Tank as modern ;-) ) as tankieboy sez.. the "extra" guy is good as a extra pair of eyes.. etc..

Tankieboy are you sure about the british rank structure, Sweden have the same structure as the US as otherwise the gunner can't order the loader to load correct ammo.. ??!!

10 years in 2RTR. Erm what do you think

[Bergmania 0]

Quote[/b] ]10 years in 2RTR. Erm what do you think

Hmm Ok.. but it seems abit strange.. when loader outranks gunner..

Scene in a Challenger 2..

Loader: Hey look mate, I've loded a HEAT so you better shoot at the BMP and not the T-80

Gunner: Yes sir

or ??!!

[Meathead 0]

I was a mechanic in the CAV for 3 years the M1 does not have auto loader...except for the finely tuned workings of its CAV crew :P

I think a fourth member would be cool to have in the ofp tanks. You could make it so the reload time is quicker if they have a loader in the 4th position then script it or something to take longer if noones in the slot hehe

picture the gunner worming his way across to load his own gun lol

[tankieboy 0]

Quote[/b] ]10 years in 2RTR. Erm what do you think  

Hmm Ok.. but it seems abit strange.. when loader outranks gunner..

Scene in a Challenger 2..

Loader: Hey look mate, I've loded a HEAT so you better shoot at the BMP and not the T-80

Gunner: Yes sir

or ??!!  

Well if a HEAT was up the tube on a tank engagement then you would fire it at the tank then load SABOT.

Ever tried to get HESH and a Bagcharge out of a barrel in the heat of an engagement?

Things operate differently in a turret. When I was gunning for my OC (major) he used to kick me in the back if I did'nt call him by his first name. The British Army and twice fold tankies don't go in for all that yes sir no sir BS. Four men in a tank have to work together as a family unit.

This was the way it operated in my unit. Salute outside the tank and sniff each others farts inside it and down the Sqn bar.

[tankieboy 0]

I was a mechanic in the CAV for 3 years the M1 does not have auto loader...except for the finely tuned workings of its CAV crew :P

I think a fourth member would be cool to have in the ofp tanks. You could make it so the reload time is quicker if they have a loader in the 4th position then script it or something to take longer if noones in the slot hehe

picture the gunner worming his way across to load his own gun lol

Its quite inpossable for the gunner to load the gun. The Commander might be able to.

[Consigliere 0]

I don't know if this would be possible, but I'd like a couple of features implemented either in an addon or in a script : The secondary role of most cluster bombs is to force tank crews to turn in, therefore stopping the external AA MG from being used ( except in the T-64 and up, which have remote controlled AA MGs ). Obviously this would not only be limited to cluster bombs, but any other munitions which would force crews to turn in.

I'd also like to see more localised and detailed damage to armour as has been mentioned before, like the OFP 'radar' being disabled, or sights damage ( for example the aiming would be screwed, after being hit wherever the sensor is located on the tank )...

*EDIT*

Ahhh crap...I just remembered that you can't have more than one MG on an OFP tank

Ah well, perhaps its one for the scripting boffins amongst us to look at

[tankieboy 0]

I don't know if this would be possible, but I'd like a couple of features implemented either in an addon or in a script : The secondary role of most cluster bombs is to force tank crews to turn in, therefore stopping the external AA MG from being used ( except in the T-64 and up, which have remote controlled AA MGs ). Obviously this would not only be limited to cluster bombs, but any other munitions which would force crews to turn in.

I'd also like to see more localised and detailed damage to armour as has been mentioned before, like the OFP 'radar' being disabled, or sights damage ( for example the aiming would be screwed, after being hit wherever the sensor is located on the tank )...

*EDIT*

Ahhh crap...I just remembered that you can't have more than one MG on an OFP tank    

Ah well, perhaps its one for the scripting boffins amongst us to look at  

Under any barrarge you would turn-in.

I like your ideas.

[jens198 0]

Oh my god. What happend to my topic about real tanking in OFP? Come on guys back to the roots!

Jens

[Drill Sergeant 0]

Challengers 1 & 2 have 4 Crew. It is better to have a human loader than a mechanical one. The job of the loader (at least when I was one) is to load the main gun and coax and on Chally 2 the roof mount, monitor the radio networks squadron or battle group depending, maintain and clean all guns and slip the brandy in the tea and cook the grub via the BV and frying pan.

In the British Army rank structure goes as follows Commander, Loader, Gunner, Driver.

In the American Army I believe it goes Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader. Correct me if I am wrong (sure you will).

That sums it up right there.  

US army the driver is the lowest.

Commander, Gunner,Loader, Driver  

The loader is trainded to opperate the main gun in the event the gunner is killed/incapacitated.

What would be nice in OFP2 is like if there were multiple gunner points so the Commander and loader can use their mgs externaly.

[stevevcb 3]

Let's just hope that OFP2's tanks work like the ones in M1 Tank Platoon II. Now THAT was a game... if your laser rangefinder was knackered, you had to switch to the auxilliary optics and use the coaxial to judge range. Ooh, and there were mobility kills (tanks getting tracked, having their engines damaged, losing some wheels, or having their driver slotted), smoke dischargers were implemented and would skew your laser rangerfinder, and wire-command ATGMs would veer off target if you hit the launch vehicle.

I remember one time, my tank platoon was ambushed as we moved down this valley, and the driver karked it. All of a sudden, we an under-strength motor-rifle battalion streaming down the sides, infantry hitting our front with RPGs, shells landing all around. The rest of my tanks were knocked out, so it was just me, my gunner and my loader with nothing between us and a one-way ticket to paradise via a sixty-ton fry-up except our main gun and the five-oh on the roof. The gunner started laying into the T72s that were coming head-on at us with sabot rounds, brewing them all up good style. I manned the roof gun and started hosing down the enemy grunts as best as I could, also managing to knock a few BTR-70s out. My gunner was too slow though, and we took a few hits, and the loader turned his toes up, so I jumped into the gunner's seat and started shooting the BMP's up as soon as they fired a missile, and the AT-3s were going all over the show. Just as we started to load the MPAT rounds up, some cheeky bastard shot us in the arse-end with an RPG and snuffed us

So, uh, anyway. I hope it's like that in OFP2...

[tankieboy 0]

M1 Tank Platoon II. I love that game. I am on my third disc as the others got used so much. Thank god you can still find it in the bargain bucket at Game.

So we need a Challenger 2 with four crew

[hellfish6 7]

Challengers 1 & 2 have 4 Crew. It is better to have a human loader than a mechanical one. The job of the loader (at least when I was one) is to load the main gun and coax and on Chally 2 the roof mount, monitor the radio networks squadron or battle group depending, maintain and clean all guns and slip the brandy in the tea and cook the grub via the BV and frying pan.

In the British Army rank structure goes as follows Commander, Loader, Gunner, Driver.

In the American Army I believe it goes Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader. Correct me if I am wrong (sure you will).

That sums it up right there.  

US army the driver is the lowest.

Commander, Gunner,Loader, Driver  

The loader is trainded to opperate the main gun in the event the gunner is killed/incapacitated.

What would be nice in OFP2 is like if there were multiple gunner points so the Commander and loader can use their mgs externaly.

Um, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Though I was never a tanker, I worked with them often and the loader was always the lowest-ranked crew member on the M-1. He'd usually get all the crappy jobs too, but would learn a lot in the process.

[tankieboy 0]

Challengers 1 & 2 have 4 Crew. It is better to have a human loader than a mechanical one. The job of the loader (at least when I was one) is to load the main gun and coax and on Chally 2 the roof mount, monitor the radio networks squadron or battle group depending, maintain and clean all guns and slip the brandy in the tea and cook the grub via the BV and frying pan.

In the British Army rank structure goes as follows Commander, Loader, Gunner, Driver.

In the American Army I believe it goes Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader. Correct me if I am wrong (sure you will).

That sums it up right there.  

US army the driver is the lowest.

Commander, Gunner,Loader, Driver  

The loader is trainded to opperate the main gun in the event the gunner is killed/incapacitated.

What would be nice in OFP2 is like if there were multiple gunner points so the Commander and loader can use their mgs externaly.

Um, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Though I was never a tanker, I worked with them often and the loader was always the lowest-ranked crew member on the M-1. He'd usually get all the crappy jobs too, but would learn a lot in the process.

Yes that was my thinking from playing Tank Commander 2! And seeing American tanker chaps in Grafenwier (Spelling) S. Germany.

[dm 9]

That sums it up right there.  

US army the driver is the lowest.

Commander, Gunner,Loader, Driver  

The loader is trainded to opperate the main gun in the event the gunner is killed/incapacitated.

What would be nice in OFP2 is like if there were multiple gunner points so the Commander and loader can use their mgs externaly.

Um, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Though I was never a tanker, I worked with them often and the loader was always the lowest-ranked crew member on the M-1. He'd usually get all the crappy jobs too, but would learn a lot in the process.

Indeed, AFAIK the Loader is usually the "new" boy to the tank crew, in respect that he's often a 19 y/o who's usually just got out of training...

Also, AFAIK until he gets promoted, "all" he is trained to do is load the gun, shoot the M240 on the roof, clean stuff and cook the Rations/make the tea...

[Bergmania 0]

Can't wait till Steel Beasts II arrives..