War against terror

[Akira 0]

L-A-M-E

N-A-I-V-E-T-Y

B-L-I-N-D-E-D B-Y H-A-T-R-E-D

[Daddl 10]

Oh, she played the nazi card - damn, Bals, I fear that's a joker. Isn't it nice Avon that you can always rely on that card - even if you got nothing usefull (like arguments) to contribute to the discussion?

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Bals, I fear that's a joker

Yeah I feel so guilty from head to toes right now...

[Akira 0]

I noticed she failed to draw a comparison between concentration camps and Gitmo and others. But given that it was an extremely weak analogy already, I'm not surprised.

[Balschoiw 0]

Hey those are "freeeedom camps" Akira !

At least that´s what they should be called in a patriotic way

[theavonlady 2]

L-A-M-E

N-A-I-V-E-T-Y

B-L-I-N-D-E-D B-Y H-A-T-R-E-D

F-A-C-I-N-G R-E-A-L-I-T-Y

Or do you blindly love terrorist who publicly proclaim their desire to subjugate you, if not to annihilate you altogether.

Go ahead. Ignore them.

[theavonlady 2]

I noticed she failed to draw a comparison between concentration camps and Gitmo and others. But given that it was an extremely weak analogy already, I'm not surprised.

The picture is incomplete. I can't find the chimneys.

[harley 3 1185 0]

Next we'll be calling President Bush "The Great Liberator" in the vein of Bolivar and Iraq the "Last, Great Hope for Peace".

Interestingly though, here's an example of the calibre of men chosen by the U.S. to lead Iraq out of chaos;

Quote[/b] ]There is massive corruption in most Iraqi government ministries as a legacy of Saddam Hussein's era, the Iraqi anti-corruption commission has said.

Arrest warrants on fraud charges have been issued for two former ministers in the Iraqi interim government.

One ex-minister denied the charges and the second could not be contacted.

The Commission on Public Integrity has proposed increasing salaries for public employees to help tackle the problem.

Its spokesman said the problem of corruption had been made worse by the power vacuum over the past two years.

The Commission began work just under a year ago, trying to root out corruption.

It has already issued warrants against 44 Iraqi government employees, including two former ministers.

Family ties

But its spokesman, Ali al-Shabot, said that most government ministries still suffered from massive corruption.

Amongst the abuses he cited were employees awarding contracts to relatives.

The two ministers who have been accused are the former transport minister and the former labour minister.

The charges include mismanagement, waste of public funds and using their positions for personal gain.

The former labour minister, Layla Abdul Lateef, has denied wrongdoing. The former transport minister, Louay Hatem al-Eris, is out of the country.

A judge has threatened to contact Interpol to try to force him to return.

The Commission on Public Integrity is also going to suggest the setting up of a public integrity academy.

BBC News

Oh what a lovely war...

[Ironsight 1]

Interestingly though, here's an example of the calibre of men chosen by the U.S. to lead Iraq out of chaos;

Quote[/b] ]There is massive corruption in most Iraqi government ministries as a legacy of Saddam Hussein's era, the Iraqi anti-corruption commission has said.

Arrest warrants on fraud charges have been issued for two former ministers in the Iraqi interim government.

One ex-minister denied the charges and the second could not be contacted.

The Commission on Public Integrity has proposed increasing salaries for public employees to help tackle the problem.

Its spokesman said the problem of corruption had been made worse by the power vacuum over the past two years.

The Commission began work just under a year ago, trying to root out corruption.

It has already issued warrants against 44 Iraqi government employees, including two former ministers.

Family ties

But its spokesman, Ali al-Shabot, said that most government ministries still suffered from massive corruption.

Amongst the abuses he cited were employees awarding contracts to relatives.

The two ministers who have been accused are the former transport minister and the former labour minister.

The charges include mismanagement, waste of public funds and using their positions for personal gain.

The former labour minister, Layla Abdul Lateef, has denied wrongdoing. The former transport minister, Louay Hatem al-Eris, is out of the country.

A judge has threatened to contact Interpol to try to force him to return.

The Commission on Public Integrity is also going to suggest the setting up of a public integrity academy.

BBC News

Oh what a lovely war...

Bit naive to think you can change a country's political climate within 2 years

[harley 3 1185 0]

Well, matters of policy have nothing to do with me. I know, as well as a great many people that you can't just change a political regime which has lasted 30 years in a short space of time. Yet this revelation seems to have eluded policy makers in the United States.

Oh, what a lovely war.

[Akira 0]

L-A-M-E

N-A-I-V-E-T-Y

B-L-I-N-D-E-D B-Y H-A-T-R-E-D

F-A-C-I-N-G R-E-A-L-I-T-Y

Or do you blindly love terrorist who publicly proclaim their desire to subjugate you, if not to annihilate you altogether.

Go ahead. Ignore them.

Yes I blindly love and ignore terrorists at the same time.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Or do you blindly love terrorist who publicly proclaim their desire to subjugate you, if not to annihilate you altogether.

Go ahead. Ignore them.

Ok. I´m confused now.

Whome do you label terrorists now Avon ?

The Iraqi insurgents, Iranians ?

As for Iraq. The USA with it´s coalition enabled terrorism fullscale there.

So go slap them !

All that funny AQ - ties that have been setup in the past were proven UNFOUNDED.

Nethertheless Bush highlighted the 9/11 trauma 5 times in his speech on Iraq. How the f*** is 9/11 connected to Iraq ?

Well it is connected....it produced even more willing bombers.

Great way to solve a problem...

For Iran: I don´t see any terrorism by their government right now. Do you ?

You just can´t label any country that you dislike a terrorist state.

According to that logic, Russia must have been on your list of terrorists also, and not to forget former leaders of your country !

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZ !

Avon !

Take cover !

You´re surrounded by terrorists !

They are everywhere !

Under the table, on TV, go run check under your bed before it´s too late !

I also do like the fact that you don´t discuss the matters themselves anymore.

Get a foot on the ground and get back to reality goddamnit !

[SpongeBob 0]

Looks like proof to me

[Akira 0]

I have pictures of a lot of civilian airliners. Doesn't mean I had anything to do with them.

[Tovarish 0]

Looks like proof to me

Looks like propaganda, rethoric, intended for internal comsumption of the population. Despicable as it may be, It's just for show, and it has become pretty obvious that al quaeda had nothing to do with Iraq until after the U.S. invasion

[harley 3 1185 0]

Hmm, I once painted a picture (a rather realistic one too-better than that piece of propaganda above) of the Royal Marines rising a Union Flag over Mount Surabachi in our struggle against the Japanese - doesn't mean it happened does it? All I'd have to do now is get some Japanese soldiers to capture my artwork, photograph it and send it to the AP...Proof!

[SpongeBob 0]

Maybe it was painted before September 11th, 2001

[Tovarish 0]

Maybe it was painted before September 11th, 2001

....right.....

And maybe Iraq's WMD's really are buried under the Eiffel Tower.

[harley 3 1185 0]

...or under the United Nations building in New York.

"WMDs for Food Program"?

Back on topic, however, I think it is an accepted fact by now that Al Qaeda's presence in Iraq was virtually non-existant before the Invasion.

[EiZei 0]

Maybe it was painted before September 11th, 2001

TBA2 can't come up with any proper evidence and saddam supposedly had a picture painted of his ultrasecret plans beforehand..

[walker 0]

Hi all

In the forgotten war the troops in the helocopter who went to the rescue of the lost patrol are now all confirmed as dead.

Meanwhile the hunt goes on for the lost patrol.

Quote[/b] ]Concern grows for lost US troops

By Andrew North

BBC News, Camp Salerno, eastern Afghanistan

The small white label on the video monitor stands out from across the room: downed aircraft. It is the only obvious sign of what is going on here.

The huge monitor displays a digital map of parts of eastern Afghanistan showing the location of US units across the region.

And those two stark words mark the point where the US Chinook helicopter that crashed last Tuesday came down - in the mountains of Konar province.

The Pentagon has now confirmed all 16 crew and troops on board - all from special operations units - died.

But the search goes on for other special forces troops and their Afghan interpreters who were already on the ground at the time of the crash.

And it's from this wooden-floored room - known as the Toc, or Tactical Operations Centre - that the hunt is being co-ordinated 24 hours a day.

Sensitive surveillance

US spokesmen say they believe the men are still alive.

The missing team had called in the Chinook for support after coming under attack from militants operating in this unstable province.

But as the aircraft came in to land, it came under fire itself.

It is believed it was hit by at least one rocket-propelled grenade before coming down some distance away.

In front of the main display screens in the Toc, officers and NCOs are seated at banks of laptops, checking the latest reports.

Their faces are grim and drawn from long shifts. Radios buzz intermittently.

But information is coming from all kinds of sources. US officers say they are throwing all their assets at the search.

Unmanned aircraft, or drones, are being used, fitted with highly-sensitive cameras.

Helicopters and surveillance aircraft are also being deployed over the area where the men are believed to be, somewhere west of the town of Asadabad...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4643243.stm

Sadly Walker

[theavonlady 2]

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZ !

Avon !

Take cover !

You´re surrounded by terrorists !

They are everywhere !

Under the table, on TV, go run check under your bed before it´s too late !

I also do like the fact that you don´t discuss the matters themselves anymore.

Get a foot on the ground and get back to reality goddamnit !

Reality.

Good luck, Europe.

[SPQR 0]

Don't mix up your own problem and rest of the world's ones.

Or would you advice UK to built walls around muslim districts, and smash their shop with bulldozers, in the name of Security ?

Anyone aware about the international terrorist menace always know it can happen anytime, anywhere. Today London (if it really that, which is higly probable), maybe Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam,... tomorrow ?

It's not a reason to invade a new country and spread more and more hatred and fear.

You'd better take care of your own colonists and the association which managed to get the adress of the soldiers who will be ordered to move out the colonist in Gaza' band in order to "ask them" to disobey orders...

[theavonlady 2]

Don't mix up your own problem and rest of the world's ones.  

Or would you advice UK to built walls around muslim districts, and smash their shop with bulldozers, in the name of Security ?

Anyone aware about the international terrorist menace always know it can happen anytime, anywhere. Today London (if it really that, which is higly probable), maybe Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam,... tomorrow ?

It's not a reason to invade a new country and spread more and more hatred and fear.

You'd better take care of your own colonists and the association which managed to get the adress of the soldiers who will be ordered to move out the colonist in Gaza' band in order to "ask them" to disobey orders...  

You'll find out eventually that it's not "our" problem. It will only get worse. Arrogance like yours won't help.

Bonne chance!

[SPQR 0]

I'd like to remember you that France had already in the past suffered from terrorist attacks by the algerian GIA, with many deads, wounded and handicaped for life victims...