Informative website

[Frizbee 0]

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/

This webpage has a large range of warship classes from various countries (Including Italy etc.) Anyone interested in the Naval fleet of a country... go here.

[Blaegis 0]

Here's another good site if you're interested in the subject:

http://www.hazegray.org/

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frizbee @ Mar. 06 2003,11<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

This webpage has a large range of warship classes from various countries (Including Italy etc.) Anyone interested in the Naval fleet of a country... go here.<span id='postcolor'>

Hmm....they managed to mention this:

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/oksoy/oksoy6.html

......but not this ? :

http://www.knmskjold.org/logg2002/Cuba.jpg

Ok, they are both very advanced - but to leave out

"KNM Skjold" is disappointing - especially when considering it's perhaps the most advanced ship in it's class.

[Guest]

Well, they did include the Visby, the new Swedish stealth corvette. It's the first real stealth ship in the world. Hopefully it will sell better then our poor JAS. Northrop Grumman has already made a deal to license it so you can expect a design based on it to be used in the US Navy.

It's made entirely of carbon-fiber materials that are about three times stronger then steel. All weapon systems are hidden within the hull to keep the stealth radar profile and pop up on demand.

I saw this lovely thing last year here in Stockholm when they showed it to the public. It's quite impressive.

[Tovarish 0]

Isn't it funny how stealth designs often look like last decade's computer game graphics? That ship looks like it came right out of one of a number of ancient Microprose flight simms

I can almost hear the Microprose theme on PC speaker

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the new Swedish stealth corvette. It's the first real stealth ship in the world. Hopefully it will sell better then our poor JAS. Northrop Grumman has already made a deal to license it so you can expect a design based on it to be used in the US Navy.

It's made entirely of carbon-fiber materials that are about three times stronger then steel. All weapon systems are hidden within the hull to keep the stealth radar profile and pop up on demand.<span id='postcolor'>

That's truly an impressive ship!

Sorry Denoir - we were first at building a true "stealth ship".

Although the construction of the first Visby-class ship started 1996 - our "KNM Skjold" was delivered 1999.

By the way, it has all of the weapons-systems hidden inside the ship too! It's also constructed as a catamaran with water jets, cushions and airfans in the hull to make it fast and almost totally protected against mines. Other than that it shares many of the characteristics of the Visby.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">P-960 KNM Skjold is the Royal Norwegian Navy's first Fast Patrol Craft / Littoral Combat Ship of the Skjold-class. She is designed by the Norwegian Navy in company with different contractors. The ship was commissioned on April 17, 1999. <span id='postcolor'>

After I first saw this ship in the harbour of Bergen - I just fell in love with it (US Navy did too):

http://www.knmskjold.org/english/index.html

[Guest]

5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Mar. 06 2003,215)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry Denoir - we were first at building a true "stealth ship".

Although the construction of the first Visby-class ship started 1996 - our "KNM Skjold" was delivered 1999.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, you are right and you are wrong. Visby is indeed not the first one.  Smyge was. It was designed in 1986 and delivered in 1991

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, it has all of the weapons-systems hidden inside the ship too! It's also constructed as a catamaran with water jets, cushions and airfans in the hull to make it fast and almost totally protected against mines. Other than that it shares many of the characteristics of the Visby.<span id='postcolor'>

On the mine issue - Visby is as I said made of carbon-fiber which makes it immune to about 99% of world's mines since they use a magnetic triggers that reacts to the steel hull of a ship

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 06 2003,21:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Mar. 06 2003,215)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry Denoir - we were first at building a true "stealth ship".

Although the construction of the first Visby-class ship started 1996 - our "KNM Skjold" was delivered 1999.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, you are right and you are wrong. Visby is indeed not the first one.  Smyge was. It was designed in 1986 and delivered in 1991

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Uhuu....well alright.....I give up!

Anyway, the Visby-class ships deserve a better fate than "Wasaskeppet".

[FSPilot 0]

Guys, you're forgetting about the US' first stealth ship.

Can't even seen it. Just trust us, it's there.

[mr. Duck 0]

Have to admit, you US-guys have some quite fancy ships, I myself especially love the carriers (if this country had carriers I wouldn't hesitate to join the Naval airwing). It's something about them decklandings that I like so much...

OT (sorry),

@FSpilot, this one should suit you better dude http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/

[SKULLS_Viper 0]

There is of course:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/index.html

Look at this boat.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/sea-shadow-bay.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/sea-shadow-140417.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/SeaShadow-sc.jpg

[Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0]

Wow, that ship is massive.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/cvn-65-dvic046.jpg

The de gaulle is the only catapult nuclear aircraft carrier constructed in europe? how many does the european countries own?

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/gaulle/index.html

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SKULLS_Viper @ Mar. 07 2003,05:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There is of course:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/index.html

Look at this boat.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/sea-shadow-bay.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/sea-shadow-140417.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/SeaShadow-sc.jpg<span id='postcolor'>

hmm....I can't help it - but it doesn't look very seaworthy? How is this ship supposed to tackle 17 metre waves?

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mr. Duck @ Mar. 07 2003,05:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OT (sorry),

@FSpilot, this one should suit you better dude http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/

<span id='postcolor'>

LOL, I think I've got a new homepage.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 06 2003,20:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, they did include the Visby, the new Swedish stealth corvette. It's the first real stealth ship in the world.<span id='postcolor'>

What's the La Fayette then?

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hit_Sqd_Maximus @ Mar. 08 2003,00:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The de gaulle is the only catapult nuclear aircraft carrier constructed in europe? how many does the european countries own?<span id='postcolor'>

Europe has 3 British carriers, 2 or 3 French carriers, a SPanish one and an Italian one.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Mar. 08 2003,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 06 2003,20:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, they did include the Visby, the new Swedish stealth corvette. It's the first real stealth ship in the world.<span id='postcolor'>

What's the La Fayette then?<span id='postcolor'>

The La Fayette has a small radar cross section, but it is far from being a real stealth ship. It has a non-stealhy radar mast and a 100 mm main gun in the open. It's also made of steel with just a radar absorbing coating.

Visby is invisible on both radar and IR on ranges beyond 10 km even on the most powerful AEGIS radars. It's completely invisible to airborne radars. It has a radar cross section smaller then a seagull. And a smaller acoustic signature then a single engine zodiac; it has no detectable magnetic profile and the pressure profile is minimal - so it's a difficult target for both mines and subs.

It carries 8 Bofors RBS 15 anti-ship cruise missiles that have a range of over 200 km and can take out a frigate or corvette with one hit. They have a low radar and IR profile making it very difficult to apply countermeasures.

(RBS15 product sheet)

[MrMilli 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Mar. 08 2003,11:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hit_Sqd_Maximus @ Mar. 08 2003,00:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The de gaulle is the only catapult nuclear aircraft carrier constructed in europe? how many does the european countries own?<span id='postcolor'>

Europe has 3 British carriers, 2 or 3 French carriers, a SPanish one and an Italian one.<span id='postcolor'>

All of em conventionally powered, except the De Gaulle.

I don't think any of them use catapults either. (Harriers don't need em)

[Guest]

Don't forget the Russians. Last time I checked they were Europeans as well. They have two nuclear powered carriers.

But it's true that huge carriers are more of an American thing

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

These will be pretty big though, with catapult potential.

Royal Navy-future aircraft carrier

[Frizbee 0]

Yeah, but that carrier is still designed for STOVL aircraft (Short Take Off and Vertical Landing) and helicopters.

I don't think they are capable of having catapults simply due to the large upward curve "ramp" at the bow of the ship.

As most of the Europian countries have STOVL and VTOL aircraft on their carriers, they only need small mission capable vessels. America on the other hand makes their huge nuclear carriers capable of engaging and destroying an enemy airforce without outside assistance. Hence, they have over 100 aircraft on board very few of which are helicopters or STOVL.

(Excluding the Marine Corp Helicopter carriers of course)