Logitech mx500/700 and ofp

[shadow 6]

Have anyone tried the new Logitech MX-series mouse with OFP?

Does the mousewheel work fine in OFP?

I'm planning to buy a MX-700 but I want to verify first that the mousewheel work (Logitech have had some driver issues with some games in the past, ending with some buttons and/or the wheel don't work).

I'm running WinME btw.

Thanks

[shrike 0]

I am using the MX700. It works great, the best mouse I ever had. The only problem is that you must not install the Logi drivers. Just hook it on and the wheel works like a charm, as well as most other functions outside OFP. (like back & forth in the webbrowser and stuff).

Unfortunately you cannot use all the funky features it would offer using the Logitech drivers. I can live with that though...'cause it's working incredibly smooth!

[shadow 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shrike @ Dec. 23 2002,14:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">cause it's working incredibly smooth!

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Smoother than Intellimouse Explorer (with wire) ?

I'm only asking because thats the mouse I have now.

I'm a little worried when you say not all Logitech-features work. How many buttons do you get to work in OFP along with the wheel?

[shrike 0]

I am using 5: Left/Right, Wheel, 2 thumb buttons.

I haven't tried hard though, maybe you can use more. I am so used to my keyboard assignments that I did not feel the need to fiddle around too long...

I like this one much more then the Intellimouse explorer...it feels rock solid, very ergonomic and precise. Tastes are different of course...maybe you should give it a try in a shop first.

[shadow 6]

I tried it once at a friend. But I only tried it in windows.

He has the Logi-drivers installed so I remember he did'nt get the wheel to work in OFP.

So you are saying that I should only use the generic usb-mouse drivers that are in windows and not install the drivers that come with it right?

I only need left-(fire),middle-(crouch),right-mouse(zoom+) button plus wheel and one side-button (reload mag).

For the rest I use the keyboard.

The part I like alot with the Intellimouse is the wheel. It scrolls so "hard" on Logitechs. You can barely feel the detents on Microsoft's. But I guess that's a matter of taste and just get used to it.

Edit: Another thing; does the battery last long?

I can sit quite a few hours editing in OFP...

We got one MX500 left in stock at work(computer-store). MX700 is unavailable for allmost another 3 weeks (due to high demand).

Do you suggest I treat myself with a christmas-present or a new-year present?

Another edit:

Price is not a problem. I pay ~35$ for MX500 and ~50$ for MX700

[Greg 0]

Logitech released new drivers around November 28 which they say fixed all problems relating to the mouse wheel. The file is logitech_mw975enu.exe at their web site.

[shadow 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Greg @ Dec. 23 2002,16:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Logitech released new drivers around November 28 which they say fixed all problems relating to the mouse wheel.  The file is logitech_mw975enu.exe at their web site.<span id='postcolor'>

Have you tried'em in OFP?

[shadow 6]

I'm taking the MX500 home now

[shadow 6]

The MX500 works great with OFP using generic drivers.

With the generic HID-drivers I can only configure left, right and middle button , but the drivers remember my two side-buttons from the explorer so I'm fine with that (backspace + left-alt). No need to change those anyways

I notice its easier to target in OFP now. I can feel the MX500 have much higher resolution than the old Intellimouse Explorer. YAY Everythings much smoother , as you said, Shrike.

-I'm slowing getting back to my Logitech tendencies

Now I got a MX500 and a set of Z-560. Now all I need is one of those new fancypants navigator-keyboards

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Dec. 23 2002,10:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><Snip>

Now I got a MX500 and a set of Z-560. Now all I need is one of those new fancypants navigator-keyboards :D<span id='postcolor'>

Were you aware of this? Logitech gave away 20,000(!) cordless mouse/keyboard combinations on December 20th.

(Edit: Disabled emoticons)

[deathguy 0]

I got a logitech marble mousse (don't know which one) and never had any problem in any games. Maybe one or two year I have it.

[Greg 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Dec. 23 2002,16:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">4--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Greg @ Dec. 23 2002,164)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Logitech released new drivers around November 28 which they say fixed all problems relating to the mouse wheel.  The file is logitech_mw975enu.exe at their web site.<span id='postcolor'>

Have you tried'em in OFP?<span id='postcolor'>

I have now, and no, they still don't work. I will try to find a way to make it work and report back.

[Greg 0]

Reporting back: I tried to get the scroll wheel to work and searched the net. Found quite a few forum posts etc on the topic but I could not get their fixes to work. (Such as the Tweak UI one). I did find a fix though. I merely uninstalled the logitech driver, it rebooted, and the mouse works perfectly in OFP and UT2003. Most buttons work fine and the mouse appears fully functional.

[Greg 0]

Reporting back again: The new 9.75 drivers DO fix the mouse wheel problem, BUT you must plug the mouse into a USB, not PS/2 port.

[shadow 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Greg @ Dec. 27 2002,04:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Reporting back again:  The new 9.75 drivers DO fix the mouse wheel problem, BUT you must plug the mouse into a USB, not PS/2 port.<span id='postcolor'>

So I get atleast 5 buttons and the wheel to work in OFP with those drivers right?

[Greg 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Dec. 27 2002,10:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Greg @ Dec. 27 2002,04:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Reporting back again:  The new 9.75 drivers DO fix the mouse wheel problem, BUT you must plug the mouse into a USB, not PS/2 port.<span id='postcolor'>

So I get atleast 5 buttons and the wheel to work in OFP with those drivers right?<span id='postcolor'>

That is absolutely correct. If you want the other 3 buttons, you will have to try some registry hacks. But the new drivers and USB is all you need to play.

[shadow 6]

Woo-hoo thanks

I'll install the drivers tonight when I get home from work.

But you say that I need some registry-hack of some kind to get the rest of the buttons to work.... I thought Logi's mouseware-software was designed to give you the possibility to use all the buttons on their own products

It's not a big deal for me as I use left,middle,right and the 2 side-buttons plus the wheel, but anyway.... strange...

[shadow 6]

Mouseware 9.75 = bummer

Not only is the mouse alot less smooth with those drivers, it also double-maps some button and there is nothing I can do about it

Here's how the mouse respond to me: middle-button (wheel) is mapped as "middle-button" when I press it down it works as middle-button (#3) and "mousebutton#4/the back-button" when I release it. The back-button is always "middle-button/#3". If I configure it as say "ctrl", then the outcome is that it is both "#3" and "Ctrl" when it is pressed. The forward-button (#5) does'nt work in OFP. The wheel works in OFP though

I even did a complete uninstall of the drivers and re-installed. No difference.

I'll stick with the Windows generic-drivers instead

or run my car over the mouse and go back to using the Intellimouse Explorer instead (atleast everything works as it should with that one)

Why can't Logitech just make their mice fully compatible with MS' Intellipoint-software?

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Dec. 27 2002,11:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why can't Logitech just make their mice fully compatible with MS' Intellipoint-software?  <span id='postcolor'>

Logitech in many ways reminds me of Creative Labs and ATI -- great hardware, but shitty drivers that always diminish the product.

[Greg 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Dec. 27 2002,20:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Not only is the mouse alot less smooth with those drivers, it also double-maps some button and there is nothing I can do about it<span id='postcolor'>

What do you mean by 'alot less smooth'?  I notice that with logitech drivers the mouse seemed very smooth in all games except OFP.  But I think it is OFPs fault because if I let the windows cursor remain in the game, it moves 100% smooth while the game cursor jerks around.  If I touch the Options->Controls->Mouse sensitivity control, it gets even worse.

Sorry, I haven't experimented with the Fwd and Back mouse buttons, only the main 2, plus middle and wheel.  The reason the other buttons dont work properly is that all the new logitech drivers do is turn off their own driver when certain games, or games using DirectInput run.  This reverts back to the default driver for that game, hence no extra buttons programmable.

(edited) Now I have experimented with the other buttons.  I also modified the reg. to enable all programmable buttons.  You are correct, the buttons behave a bit strange.  I mapped button 'fwd' to LeftCtrl.  If I use it to 'move forward', it keeps moving forward until I press it twice.  If I use it to 'fire' it only fires on every second click.  Logitech recommends mapping the buttons 4-8 to F1-F5, but this means they won't work in windows properly.  It is also useless in OFP since the F Keys are all reserved.  A very annoying situation if you want to use those other buttons.  Pity since the drivers could easily map to 'fwd' and 'DirectX button 4 - 8' etc. which would be sweet.

(edited again) If you want to enable all button mappings, you will need to make this reg change:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Logitech\MouseWare\CurrentVersion\Technical

UseLGGameScheme="Off"

This allows games to use the MouseWare button mapping that would otherwise be disabled while they run.

For what it is worth, sign this petition to logitech: http://www.petitiononline.com/l0g1t3ch/petition.html

[Mister Frag 0]

The Windows mouse cursor is handled in hardware by practically all modern video cards, while the OFP cursor is drawn in software, so it isn't surprising that the two don't always move in sync.

One thing that makes the OFP mouse cursor lag on systems with NVIDIA cards is a pre-render limit that is higher than one. The pre-rendering option allows the card to generate frames that are to be displayed at a later time, but the software mouse cursor is drawn at the time that the frame is generated, and not when it is actually displayed.

Thus, by the time the contents of the frame buffer are shown to the user, the position of the software mouse cursor may no longer accurately reflect the mouse's position. The discrepancy disappears shortly after the user stops moving the mouse, but until that happens, there will be a distinct feeling of lagginess.

How can you fix this? Using a program such as RivaTuner, which exposes the pre-render limit on the V-Sync tab.

[Greg 0]

What you're saying Mister Frag is absolutely true, and that effect can be reduced/eliminated via a number of methods, however, there is definately some programmed lag in the cross hair control. Using the telescopic sights, standing up, crouched and prone all behave differently. To exagerate and experience what I'm talking about, use the Options menu and try sliding the 'mouse sensitivity' to the left and the right and feel the difference. Particularly to the left. It is almost like they programmed a combination of 'dead zone' and 'acceleration' and it feels very bad. This is not new (to my logiech mouse etc.) I have noticed the unusual control since I bought the game, it feels very different from other FPS games, and kind of clunky (for lack of better description). I suppose this is getting off the original topic, since it may be related to mouse/video/game.

NOTE: To people flicking to the last page, please remember to read my new and updated post back on page 2, about the logitech mouse buttons.