edc 0 Posted March 21, 2003 Then what was Iraq going to do with the uranium they were trying to get from Africa? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Mar. 21 2003,07:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Then what was Iraq going to do with the uranium they were trying to get from Africa?<span id='postcolor'> Umm..the uranium that was shown to be part of a falsified report? The uranium that Iraq doesnt have the infrrastructure to refine? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted March 21, 2003 "What differentiates Iraq is that there were developing/have a biological, chemical, and if we failed to act decisively in the next few years a nuclear capability. That coupled with the human rights violations and attacks against his own people and peaceful nations on his borders, make Iraq a clear and present danger." Uhm, he hasnt attacked other nations in oh, 10 years? And, how come torture and killing of civilians is unacceptable to you now, but 10-20 years ago the US fully supporting it. Funding him, training him, providing him with weapons and even congratulating him when attacking the Kurds? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schoeler 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And, how come torture and killing of civilians is unacceptable to you now, but 10-20 years ago the US fully supporting it. Funding him, training him, providing him with weapons and even congratulating him when attacking the Kurds?<span id='postcolor'> 9-11, it opened a lot of Americans eyes. Oh, hate to dissappoint you, but the pictures I've been getting show bedouins lining the roadside and waving in a friendly manner at the U.S. forces passing. Also, Iraqi regular units are surrendering in droves, simply being bypassed as harmless for now. The Marines and the 3rd Infantry Division encountered some light resistance, but not much. The U.S. has shown surprising restraint in the bombing campaign so far, because they apparently want to confirm whether or not they got Saddam and give the Iraqis a chance to surrender before any collateral damage occurs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ Mar. 21 2003,10:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, hate to dissappoint you, but the pictures I've been getting show bedouins lining the roadside and waving in a friendly manner at the U.S. forces passing.<span id='postcolor'> Bedouins? Are you sure they're not Sunis? Either way, it would make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ Mar. 21 2003,10:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The U.S. has shown surprising restraint in the bombing campaign so far, because they apparently want to confirm whether or not they got Saddam and give the Iraqis a chance to surrender before any collateral damage occurs.<span id='postcolor'> Lookee here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted March 21, 2003 I may have missed this discussion already as this thread moves pretty fast, but here 'goes. It would appear that Iraq has launch several Scud type theater missiles over the past 24 hours. This isn't so odd except that they aren't supposed to have them, and have claimed several times over the years, including during the UNMOVIC regimem that they in fact had none. This is pretty blatant, and pretty embarassing for those who claim that the inspections were actually working. I mean, UNMVOIC hadn't even gotten an inkling of these Scuds, and Iraq sure as hell didn't tell anyone. I hate to be trite, but the only thing that comes to mind for all you inspection-lovers is... (everyone who has a picture of a Swedish bureacrat on your wall- you know who you are) Booyah! I mean, how could you be so gullible? Honestly, to trust that Iraq was actually cooperating, rather than just stringing us along, once again? Well, the other shoe has dropped, and we'll finally be able to get the real picture of what Iraq's weapon arsenal consists of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 21 2003,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mean, how could you be so gullible? Honestly, to trust that Iraq was actually cooperating, rather than just stringing us along, once again? Well, the other shoe has dropped, and we'll finally be able to get the real picture of what Iraq's weapon arsenal consists of.<span id='postcolor'> *cough* I posted this Israeli news item yesterday. *cough* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schoeler 0 Posted March 21, 2003 I also find it humorous that several people here were willing to accept Saddam's assurances of the destruction of his WMDs. Of course anything we find now will be a "plant" by the CIA and if the casualties both civilian and military turn out to be low then it will be a cover up. Also, if we got Saddam and the war literally ended the moment it began, we will have been lucky. Just you wait and see what gets said in the aftermath of this war. I plan on sitting back and doing a lot of laughing at the ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhoCares 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ Mar. 21 2003,10:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just you wait and see what gets said in the aftermath of this war.<span id='postcolor'> History is written by the winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ Mar. 21 2003,11:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ Mar. 21 2003,10:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just you wait and see what gets said in the aftermath of this war.<span id='postcolor'> History is written by the winner.<span id='postcolor'> What if the winner is also the Iraqi people? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CosmicCastaway 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ Mar. 21 2003,10:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">History is written by the winner.<span id='postcolor'> History is written by the survivors, there are no winners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 21 2003,09:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 21 2003,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mean, how could you be so gullible? Honestly, to trust that Iraq was actually cooperating, rather than just stringing us along, once again? Well, the other shoe has dropped, and we'll finally be able to get the real picture of what Iraq's weapon arsenal consists of.<span id='postcolor'> *cough* I posted this Israeli news item yesterday. *cough*<span id='postcolor'> Interesting. Nothing I've heard has contradicted that though. Incidentally, if you don't mind my asking, what kind of contacts could the IDF possibly have in Kuwait? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ Mar. 21 2003,04:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I also find it humorous that several people here were willing to accept Saddam's assurances of the destruction of his WMDs.<span id='postcolor'> Really? Â Name one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CosmicCastaway @ Mar. 21 2003,11:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ Mar. 21 2003,10:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">History is written by the winner.<span id='postcolor'> History is written by the survivors, there are no winners.<span id='postcolor'> Well, that's very thought provoking, philosophical and semantic but it's not necessarily true. Usually it's a question of what price had to be paid to win? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brgnorway 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Mar. 21 2003,10:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ Mar. 21 2003,04:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I also find it humorous that several people here were willing to accept Saddam's assurances of the destruction of his WMDs.<span id='postcolor'> Really? Â Name one.<span id='postcolor'> Indeed - I'll second that! If that's what Schoeler has thought all the time he really have no clue what's being said on this forum. It was not about believing Saddam, it was about disarming through the weapons inspections! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhoCares 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 21 2003,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CosmicCastaway @ Mar. 21 2003,11:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ Mar. 21 2003,10:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">History is written by the winner.<span id='postcolor'> History is written by the survivors, there are no winners.<span id='postcolor'> Well, that's very thought provoking, philosophical and semantic but it's not necessarily true. Usually it's a question of what price had to be paid to win?<span id='postcolor'> And it is especially not what Napoleon Bonaparte said, because it is his quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 21 2003,11:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Incidentally, if you don't mind my asking, what kind of contacts could the IDF possibly have in Kuwait?<span id='postcolor'> 1. I can guarantee you that information on whatever missiles have been identified as fired by the Iraqis are relayed to the IDF in order to assess/adjust what is veiwed as the level of threat. 2. We've got our fair share of Israeli news reporters in Jordan, Kuwait, Turkey and now even in Iraq. All the local papers and news channels are competing on this, just like everone else. So we're getting a lot of data relayed directly to us and not always through the major wire services. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CosmicCastaway 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 21 2003,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CosmicCastaway @ Mar. 21 2003,11:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ Mar. 21 2003,10:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">History is written by the winner.<span id='postcolor'> History is written by the survivors, there are no winners.<span id='postcolor'> Well, that's very thought provoking, philosophical and semantic but it's not necessarily true. Usually it's a question of what price had to be paid to win?<span id='postcolor'> How is it not necessarily true? I'd like to see history being written by the people that didn't survive. Â EDIT: I wasn't aware Napoleon said anything of the sort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ Mar. 21 2003,11:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And it is especially not what Napoleon Bonaparte said, because it is his quote <span id='postcolor'> Well, I'm disagreeing with the little shrimp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CosmicCastaway @ Mar. 21 2003,11:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How is it not necessarily true?<span id='postcolor'> I was referring to the concept of "there are no winners". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CosmicCastaway 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 21 2003,10:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CosmicCastaway @ Mar. 21 2003,11:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How is it not necessarily true?<span id='postcolor'> I was referring to the concept of "there are no winners".<span id='postcolor'> There are no winners in wars; only losers. Both sides in any conflict suffer losses. The question is not who won the most but who lost the least. Read into it what you like, but that's how I see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CosmicCastaway @ Mar. 21 2003,11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Read into it what you like, but that's how I see it.<span id='postcolor'> I think we actually agree to agree but in different words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted March 21, 2003 "9-11, it opened a lot of Americans eyes." Not really. It pissed them off, but its obvious they didnt learn anything. "Oh, hate to dissappoint you, but the pictures I've been getting show bedouins lining the roadside and waving in a friendly manner at the U.S. forces passing." I am not dissappointed about that, why would I be? Makes perfect sense to me. "Also, Iraqi regular units are surrendering in droves, simply being bypassed as harmless for now." Yes, also expected. Most of them are forced into the service, many of them are Kurds. They were never expected to put up much of a fight. "It would appear that Iraq has launch several Scud type theater missiles over the past 24 hours." Have they been confirmed as Scuds now? Last I checked, they hadnt been. They were just called Scuds by the press but noone seemed to know for sure. " Just you wait and see what gets said in the aftermath of this war. I plan on sitting back and doing a lot of laughing at the ridiculous." It isnt the war that worries me, it is what happens afterwards. We all saw how well it worked in Afghanistan... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CosmicCastaway 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 21 2003,10:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CosmicCastaway @ Mar. 21 2003,11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Read into it what you like, but that's how I see it.<span id='postcolor'> I think we actually agree to agree but in different words.<span id='postcolor'> You are probably right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
