The Iraq Thread

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 18 2003,22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Earlier today a peaceactivist from global roots threw a bucket of red paint at the Danish Prime minister while screaming "You have blood on your hands".<span id='postcolor'>

Man I wish I could throw a moron like that in prison for assault.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, and I wish that I could have you executed to protect our gene pool. It's a good thing that we arn't making the policies, ey?

[OxPecker 0]

I wonder if American pilots have received any extra training since the first Gulf War that will allow them to tell the difference between Iraqi vehicles and Allied vehicles this time?

Anyone taking a pool on how many British vehicles get blown up by the Americans?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Just caught the vote on TV- Britain is in support of America on this one.

[Lowjack 0]

Wow, looks like France may join afterall... just read that if Iraq uses chem or bio weapons they plan to participate.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003....ex.html

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 18 2003,23:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 18 2003,22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Earlier today a peaceactivist from global roots threw a bucket of red paint at the Danish Prime minister while screaming "You have blood on your hands".<span id='postcolor'>

Man I wish I could throw a moron like that in prison for assault.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, and I wish that I could have you executed to protect our gene pool. It's a good thing that we arn't making the policies, ey?<span id='postcolor'>

Ummm...

Shouldnt' that be regarded as a flame or something? You basically just said that you wished you could kill FSPilot to protect the gene pool...and I KNOW that is against the rules.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Hey, he didn't call him an idiot, so it's all good

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 18 2003,23:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 18 2003,23:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 18 2003,22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Earlier today a peaceactivist from global roots threw a bucket of red paint at the Danish Prime minister while screaming "You have blood on your hands".<span id='postcolor'>

Man I wish I could throw a moron like that in prison for assault.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, and I wish that I could have you executed to protect our gene pool. It's a good thing that we arn't making the policies, ey?<span id='postcolor'>

Ummm...

Shouldnt' that be regarded as a flame or something? You basically just said that you wished you could kill FSPilot to protect the gene pool...and I KNOW that is against the rules.<span id='postcolor'>

I got a PM asking the same question, and I'll reply the same thing:

It was meant to be ironical, which I think that my next sentece made clear "It's a good thing that we arn't making the policies, ey?"

I'm against executing anybody.

[OxPecker 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 18 2003,23:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 18 2003,23:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 18 2003,23:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 18 2003,22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Earlier today a peaceactivist from global roots threw a bucket of red paint at the Danish Prime minister while screaming "You have blood on your hands".<span id='postcolor'>

Man I wish I could throw a moron like that in prison for assault.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, and I wish that I could have you executed to protect our gene pool. It's a good thing that we arn't making the policies, ey?<span id='postcolor'>

Ummm...

Shouldnt' that be regarded as a flame or something? You basically just said that you wished you could kill FSPilot to protect the gene pool...and I KNOW that is against the rules.<span id='postcolor'>

I got a PM asking the same question, and I'll reply the same thing:

It was meant to be ironical, which I think that my next sentece made clear "It's a good thing that we arn't making the policies, ey?"

I'm against executing anybody.<span id='postcolor'>

So how do you feel about enforced sterilization?    j/k

As a point of interest, here in Australia what that protester did could earn him a jail sentence for assault, dunno about Europe or America. Someone was jailed here a few years back for spitting at (not on) our state Premier.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OxPecker @ Mar. 19 2003,07:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Someone was jailed here a few years back for spitting at (not on) our state Premier.<span id='postcolor'>

Was it Kennet?

Back on topic, supposedly America has the support of 45countries to use force on Iraq.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">45 nations backing US-led war

Thirty nations had joined with the United States in a coalition of the willing to bring down Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and another 15 had quietly pledged their support, the US says.

US Secretary of State Colin Powell told reporters he had received assurances of open support in telephone conversations with the foreign ministers of Denmark and the Netherlands, but that Russian President Vladimir Putin had reaffirmed his opposition to war with Iraq in a telephone conversation with President George W Bush.

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[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As a point of interest, here in Australia what that protester did could earn him a jail sentence for assault, dunno about Europe or America. Someone was jailed here a few years back for spitting at (not on) our state Premier. <span id='postcolor'>

I haven't heard of anyone here being jailed for their views as far as Iraq goes. Of course, some protestors get arrested now and then for disturbance of the peace and whatnot, but that's different.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OxPecker @ Mar. 18 2003,23:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As a point of interest, here in Australia what that protester did could earn him a jail sentence for assault, dunno about Europe or America. Someone was jailed here a few years back for spitting at (not on) our state Premier.<span id='postcolor'>

In Sweden about a year ago a 16 year old kid threw a cake in the king's face. He got charged and risked up to six years in prison, but he got off with just a fine.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lowjack @ Mar. 18 2003,23:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wow, looks like France may join afterall... just read that if Iraq uses chem or bio weapons they plan to participate.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003....ex.html<span id='postcolor'>

Well...

Way I see it is if chem weapons are used by Iraq, then taht would basically prove the US/UK position the right one. Iraq DID have weapons, and consequently was playing a cat and mouse game with the inspectors.

If those weapons are used and France suddenly came to help...I imagine it would be nothing more than a political face-saving move.

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Mar. 18 2003,22:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Uhm, what about the evidence that have proven to be falcified all ready? What about the made up report of Iraqi soldiers killing babies in incubators during GW1? <span id='postcolor'>

I assume you're referring to the Brit's plagiarized intel brief and/or the fake "nuclear shopping spree" docs.  In the first case, you're overlooking the fact that the report, while not properly footnoted, is factually correct (with the exception of one date being off by two years).  In the second case, while the counterfeiter hasn't yet been named, it wasn't the U.S.

Wrong information does not always equal falsified information.

And one final reminder, the U.S. did not originate the incubator story.  It was first told by the exiled Kuwaiti housing minister, and reported by The London Daily Telegraph on September 5, 1990.

Semper Fi

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What would happen would be that France would rush a resolution through the UN authorizing a war. It's not face-saving, it's maintaining the position that they've held all along. The UN inspectors have not found any WMDs and USA has been unable to provide any evidence to support its claims. Should Iraq after all have any considerable amount of WMDs and should they use them then the situation would of course change. France would not however go without UN backing.

What they have been saying all along is: Unless the inspectors find any WMDs or the Iraqis make the inspection process impossible to complete we cannot vote for a war. What they are saying now is if Iraq uses WMDs then we will support a war. In what way is that contradictory?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Mar. 19 2003,00:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In the second case, while the counterfeiter hasn't yet been named, it wasn't the U.S.

Wrong information does not always equal falsified information.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, then the question is what is worse: US intelligence faking evidence or US intelligence being so incompetent that they can't spot an obvious forgery?

Either way it makes a good case for not trusting US intelligence reports.

These are however not the only cases. USA has been feeding the UN inspectors worthless information all along. You actually managed to piss Blix off, which is quite a feat since the man's about as emotional as a piece of lumber.

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

I understand the concept of irony, but if there was a problem with Denoirs statement it would be one of perception by others.

(of the apparent offensive content)

Anyway now its been explained here there is no issue.

Im still looking at that euro-dollar oil theory.

The fact that various officials in and advisers to the Bush administration made statements about attacking Iraq and saw it as unfinished business BEFORE it switched to euros(and before the Bush government was in power) was not even mentioned or taken into account. At most this move to euros might have been a compelling new reason for TBA to take action in Iraq, however it is in my view not the singularly important reason the posted article makes it out to be.

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 19 2003,00:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Either way it makes a good case for not trusting US intelligence reports.<span id='postcolor'>

It makes an even better case that the U.S. wouldn't do something as blatantly stupid as planting WMD's in Iraq, because it would get out.  

Semper Fi

[Mora2 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What i find most horrible is that the 'big guys' decide wether their country wants to participate or not.  While the normal ppl don't get to vote for it, in Spain, 75% of the ppl don't want a war, but still, their government supports a war.

How the fuck can this be possible...<span id='postcolor'>

Dont say 75% say 45% who dont want it and 20% who just don´t want to say anything because they are fed up of the other mayor party at Spain and its corruption from 1982 to 1996.

The actual government is the less bad government Spain can have.

I and many many ppl don´t want socialists and communists in the  government.

[Jinef 2]

Blair has got the majority in the house of commons.

Bollocks

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Mar. 19 2003,00:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Blair has got the majority in the house of commons.

Bollocks<span id='postcolor'>

I"m watching the Parliment right now. He's making some interesting points.

[Balschoiw 0]

Turkey did allow the US to pass their country to open the norther front on Iraq.

Did the billions count at least ?

A real triumph of democracy...

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Mar. 19 2003,00:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Turkey did allow the US to pass their country to open the norther front on Iraq.<span id='postcolor'>

Have any sources for that? As I understand it they are still debating when to hold a second vote in parliament.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 19 2003,00:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What they have been saying all along is: Unless the inspectors find any WMDs or the Iraqis make the inspection process impossible to complete we cannot vote for a war. What they are saying now is if Iraq uses WMDs then we will support a war. In what way is that contradictory?<span id='postcolor'>

Then why did France say they would veto any resolution "watever the circumstances"? To veto any resolution that contains an ultimatum or use of force for non-compliance, which basically removed any enforcablility or crediability to 1441 (or any other resolution regarding Iraq)?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 19 2003,00:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 19 2003,00<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What they have been saying all along is: Unless the inspectors find any WMDs or the Iraqis make the inspection process impossible to complete we cannot vote for a war. What they are saying now is if Iraq uses WMDs then we will support a war. In what way is that contradictory?<span id='postcolor'>

Then why did France say they would veto any resolution "watever the circumstances"? To veto any resolution that contains an ultimatum or use of force for non-compliance, which basically removed any enforcablility or crediability to 1441 (or any other resolution regarding Iraq)?<span id='postcolor'>

No they didn't. They said that they would veto any resolution that issues an ultimatum that was not supported by the UN inspectors. Do you want me to find some of the 451235235235 sources for that? It's ok to disagree, but try to get at least the basic facts right.

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"Anti-war axis hits back at US" -bbc

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">France, Germany and Russia - the countries which fought hardest to extend weapons inspections - angrily accused the US of going to war without necessity or legitimacy.

The Vatican voiced similar sentiments, warning that those who went to war would assume heavy responsibility before God and history.

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Makes an interesting alternative to "God bless..". Good thing that Bush & Blair arn't Catholics

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Mar. 19 2003,00:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Turkey did allow the US to pass their country to open the norther front on Iraq.

Did the billions count at least ?

A real triumph of democracy...<span id='postcolor'>

Only thing I see is that Turkey is voting on it Wednesday...