Afganistan pows

[Snoopy 0]

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[red oct 2]

there asses probaly had to been pretty sore after all that sitting. i don't know why the black hoods would be necessary though, not like they are taking them to a secret disclosed location, anyway most of them are gona be released.

[168GRN HPBT 0]

When I see pix like this I remind myself of what these people have done to the women of their homeland. As they are all nutters (taliban or how ever you spell it) then it all seem too nice for them (I wouldn’t have given them ear muffs)

[Harnu 0]

Well, in that second pic, is it just me or does that guy have no thighs?

Anyway, for what they do and were training to do in Afganistan, they deserve it.

[Badgerboy 0]

I have no problem with them detaining POW's for intel, but what the US is doing is quite sickening.

If they are Prisoners of War : They must be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention

If they are Criminals : They must be charged with a crime, and afforded the rights of prisoners.

There is no middle ground, there is no other option. Its one or the fucking other!

How can you preach the joys of good old US democracy, while you flout your own laws?! Hipocracy just pisses everyone off.

Like I say, if they are taken and imprisoned in accordance with the law, I have no problem with. But kidnapping people is sick and unjust.

I imagine the US Government would be happy for all the buggers to die off, and everyone to forget they are still ocked up there. People have been brought up on war crime charges for treating prisoners like that!.

Line I said above. They are one or the other. Treat them as such.

[Warin 0]

I'm with Badgerboy on this one.

We all know that if a foreign force captured Americans and treated them like this, they would be bombed back into the stone age under the banner of moral indignation and repugnance at such inhumane behaviour. But when they do it to folks they dont feel the need to show respect for, we shouldnt question it because it's of vital importance to the War on Terrorism. Hypocrisy combined with arrogance. Wow. How cool.

Americans always speak of being a bastion of freedom and fairness. I guess that only applies to your own citizens. Or does it?

[red oct 2]

though they could have put them in seats, i wouldn't go so far to say that they are being misstreated, though i define cruelity differently.

[Harnu 0]

Where in those three pics are we shown doing anything really wrong.

They are detained, held down by restraints.  They aren't being beated.  They aren't being tortured.  Warin, what other countries have done is beaten and hurt our POW's, thats why we bomb them.  All that is shown in those pictures are very dangerous men being held while en route to a camp.

Even if it's not in 100% accordince with the Geneva Convention, so what. All that's going on is to prevent a problem.

And as far as hypocracy goes, ha, like you or your country has never done anything hypocritical.

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">though they could have put them in seats, i wouldn't go so far to say that they are being misstreated, though i define cruelity differently. <span id='postcolor'>

Are you insane? If I did that to a dog I would be arrested!

Besides, that would be forgivable, if they had done something about their status in the POW camp. Christ, its coming up to 8 months they have been stuck in that hell hole!

Someone is dragging their feet thats for sure.

Technically, the war with the Taliban is over, therefore they would be released back to their country.

If they are held as terrorists, then they should be charged with the crime, trialled and imprisoned.

Either way, leaving people to rot purely because you don't know what to do with them, is a rather brutal way to run a country.

[red oct 2]

no badgerboy, i am not insane. so excuse me for having a opinion, and a different point of view on what i think is "cruel".

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even if it's not in 100% accordince with the Geneva Convention, so what.<span id='postcolor'>

So what? Thats why Slobodan is up for war crimes. Thats why the Nazis were put on trial in 1946. Jesus christ, get a grip. Hell why not stop there, lets rape their wives and steal there cattle! Kids? Ha burn the buggers! Hell why are we bothering with prisoners? Lets gas the fuckers!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And as far as hypocracy goes, ha, like you or your country has never done anything hypocritical.<span id='postcolor'>

The point being, most countries don't piss on people while claiming to be the champions of moral justice and freedom. Great Britain did lots of nasty stuff to people over the many years we have been around, but at least we were honest about it. When we fucked people over, we usually gave them a reason....

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Technically, the war with the Taliban is over, therefore they would be released back to their country.<span id='postcolor'>

The war against the Taliban may be over, but the war on terrorism isn't.

These people are imprisoned for being terrorists. Interrogations may not be over. We sure as hell will not release danger people back into the world.

God forbid we treat the bad guys a little harshly, keeping them cooped up for a while. Brutal way to run a country? Ya, riiiiight. Were soooooo brutal for feeding, and not beating our POW's.

And now I bet this thread will be closed for degenerating into a "Hey, let's bash America thread", even when every country has their own problems. Either it gets locked or I get banned for 24 hours if this continues.

[Badgerboy 0]

I'm not bashing the US, I'm bashing the weasels who can't get their heads around international law.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The war against the Taliban may be over, but the war on terrorism isn't.<span id='postcolor'>

War? So they are POW's then! So the US is breaking the Geneva convention! Technically, that could land Bush in the Hauge looking at a prison sentance.

Like I said, I have no problem with you keeping prisoners, but you must make a distinction and treat them as such.

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ Nov. 09 2002,03:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even if it's not in 100% accordince with the Geneva Convention, so what.<span id='postcolor'>

So what? Thats why Slobodan is up for war crimes. Thats why the Nazis were put on trial in 1946. Jesus christ, get a grip. Hell why not stop there, lets rape their wives and steal there cattle! Kids? Ha burn the buggers! Hell why are we bothering with prisoners? Lets gas the fuckers!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And as far as hypocracy goes, ha, like you or your country has never done anything hypocritical.<span id='postcolor'>

The point being, most countries don't piss on people while claiming to be the champions of moral justice and freedom. Great Britain did lots of nasty stuff to people over the many years we have been around, but at least we were honest about it. When we fucked people over, we usually gave them a reason....<span id='postcolor'>

Rape their wives ans steal their cattle, are you &*)^$&% stupid? Holding PRISONERS who are dangerous people in heavy restraint to prevent problems is NO WHERE ******* NEAR WHAT YOU SAID. You're taking this WAY out of proportion.

And we just piss on people huh? We get rid of some cokcsucking regime holding a country and that's the thanks we get. We let people be a hell of a lot more free, and you euro's are still b*tching!

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ Nov. 09 2002,03:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm not bashing the US, I'm bashing the weasels who can't get their heads around international law.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The war against the Taliban may be over, but the war on terrorism isn't.<span id='postcolor'>

War? So they are POW's then! So the US is breaking the Geneva convention! Technically, that could land Bush in the Hauge looking at a prison sentance.

Like I said, I have no problem with you keeping prisoners, but you must make a distinction and treat them as such.<span id='postcolor'>

They are prisoners god dammit! Bush has his thumbs up his ass anyway, and no american denies that so you don't have a strong point there.

If they have information, we can interrogate them. WHILE THEY ARE PRISONERS FOR COMMITING CRIMES!

[red oct 2]

edit: not related n/m

[Harnu 0]

And if America is doing so many god damn bad things as all you fuckers say, why has no one taken action against us? It's becuase were not such a bad freaking country! If we don't interroage people, other countries will. It's not only security of america, every country has to take a part in stopping these these people! Taliban aren't the only "bad guys". Alquida (Can't spell that) isn't the only terrorist group. Extracing any and all information is essential!

[Badgerboy 0]

Dear oh dear. Someone lost his temper. This isn't a Euro vs US debate.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Rape their wives ans steal their cattle, are you &*)^$&% stupid? Holding PRISONERS who are dangerous people in heavy restraint to prevent problems is NO WHERE ******* NEAR WHAT YOU SAID. You're taking this WAY out of proportion<span id='postcolor'>

Why do you think I said this?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even if it's not in 100% accordince with the Geneva Convention, so what.<span id='postcolor'>

Thats how that sort of shit happens. The lines get blurred, and rules start getting tossed out of the windows.

Hitler started locking people up in rather nasty conditions in the 30's. It started with that, and ended up with the mass extermination of an entire people. I'm not saying the US would go that far, but the road to inhuman treatment has to start somewhere. Thats why we have these rules.

I'm not sure if English is your first language, but in case it is, please read in between the lines next time. It'll stop your feathers from getting ruffled.

[Harnu 0]

English is my primary language. I shouldn't have to read between the lines. If you're trying to make a point, make it clear!

You think reading between the lines would stop me from getting ruffled? How about everyone stop bitching about America in this forum, that would stop me from getting pissed off.

And as soon as America starts gassing arab's raping women and all that, then you've got something to bitch about. A little treatment that's "not just in the eeyes of everyone" isn't going to cause another Nazi party.

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If they have information, we can interrogate them.  WHILE THEY ARE PRISONERS FOR COMMITING CRIMES!

<span id='postcolor'>

This is the point. If they are POW's give them the rights that come with it. That way, everyone see's the US as a fair and decent community, who punishes evil, and treats humans correctly.

You have spies, who have commited treason (The worst crime around), in better conditions. I don't knock the American people, just the poeple who make these decisions.

[Harnu 0]

Explain to me how we are giving them no rights.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ Nov. 09 2002,03:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Rape their wives ans steal their cattle, are you &*)^$&% stupid?  Holding PRISONERS who are dangerous people in heavy restraint to prevent problems is NO WHERE ******* NEAR WHAT YOU SAID.  You're taking this WAY out of proportion.

And we just piss on people huh?  We get rid of some cokcsucking regime holding a country and that's the thanks we get.  We let people be a hell of a lot more free, and you euro's are still b*tching!<span id='postcolor'>

Once again:

If Americans were treated in a similar fashion, there would be hell to pay. I dont think any of you would deny it. I know for certain that I consider a US soldier to be better trained than any of the AQ/Taliban being held prisoner. Dangerous? Not when they are unarmed and restrained in a civilised manner, guarded by men with guns. So by your reasoning, if I someday captured a squad of Rangers or Marines, I would totally and completely justified in doing exactly THAT to them, because they are dangerous enemies.

And I am sure that Canadians have done objectionable things in war. The difference is that Canada has never declared war on a noun. Canada generally declares war on nations

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Canada generally declares war on nations<span id='postcolor'>

You see, there is ettiquete in declaring war!

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if I someday captured a squad of Rangers or Marines, I would totally and completely justified in doing exactly THAT to them, because they are dangerous enemies.<span id='postcolor'>

And when they are placed in their nice comfy seats, on a 747 held only by shakals, but not to tight.  That's okay?...

It's not that these people could take over a squad of armed US soldiers, it's that if one of them causes the death or serious injury to a soldier, thats too much.  That's the reason they need to be restrained.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The difference is that Canada has never declared war on a noun. Canada generally declares war on nations<span id='postcolor'>

Declaring war on terrorism is just as good as a war on a country. Terrorism is everywhere, we need to stop that. It's about the same thing. We are fighting an enemy, that maybe just doesn't have a single base of operations.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ Nov. 09 2002,03:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Explain to me how we are giving them no rights.<span id='postcolor'>

Would you treat an American the way these men are being treated?

No?

Then you are abrogating your moral position of being in the right.

AS ye sow, so shall ye reap.