Bowling for columbine

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Nov. 04 2002,03:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes, but converting weapons from semi to full auto is illegal.  <span id='postcolor'>

Umm.. yeah... look over there!

*runs away*

there are some funny people over at Michael Moore's forums. There is this 1aschnitzel guy who reminds me of Albert arguing with some Beretta guy about gun control and stuff. Funny part is, the beretta guy reminds me a lot of Wobble..but I dont think it's him.

[bn880 5]

Yep, he reminds me of Albert for sure... hmmmmmm

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wow, what a life-story [icon_sad.gif] ! That hurts!

However I have to admit that cruel situations hardly occur where I live!

Listen to the ladies! They are less affected by heroic emotions as we are!<span id='postcolor'>

If that's not Albert, I'm not Albert either...

[IceFire 0]

What movie?? And what other countries are allowed to have guns?

[Guest]

Here are some interesting gun violence stats:

http://www.agoodfight.org/firefacts.asp

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Nov. 04 2002,04:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yep, he reminds me of Albert for sure... hmmmmmm

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wow, what a life-story [icon_sad.gif]  ! That hurts!

However I have to admit that cruel situations hardly occur where I live!

Listen to the ladies! They are less affected by heroic emotions as we are!<span id='postcolor'>

If that's not Albert, I'm not Albert either...  <span id='postcolor'>

But that history of America wasnt realy the best way to open peoples minds. I guess that those he wanted to convince rather left the theatre pretty angry. And those who already were convinced left in full satisfaction. I guess he only enlarged the gap between the Pro's and Con's

[Die Alive 0]

Anyone read Michael Moore's last book Stupid White Men.  It came out last February, and was going to read it over the summer but OFP R came out so I didn't bother with it.  I might get it in a few weeks.

Synopsis

The government has been seized by a ne'er-do-well rich boy and his elderly henchmen . . . Our great economic expansion is unraveling faster than a set of Firestones...Our water is poisoned, the ozone's in shreds, and the SUVs are advancing like a plague of locusts...

Remember when everything was looking up? When the government was running at a surplus, pollution was disappearing, peace was breaking out in the Middle East and Northern Ireland, and the Bridge to the Twenty-First Century was strung with high-speed Internet cable and paved with 401K gold? Well, so much for the future. Michael Moore, the award-winning provocateur behind Roger and Me and the bestseller Downsize This!, now returns to size up the new century -- and that big, ugly special-interest group that's laying waste to the world as we know it: stupid white men. Whether he's calling for United Nations action to overthrow the Bush Family Junta, calling on African-Americans to place whites only signs over the entrances of unfriendly businesses, or praying that Jesse Helms will get kissed by a man, Stupid White Men is Mike's Manifesto on Malfeasance and Mediocrity.

Among his targets: George W.: "President" of the United States. The Thief-in-Chief. A trespasser on federal land, a squatter in the Oval Office. Send in the Marines! Launch the SCUD missiles! Bring me the head of Antonin Scalia! Bill Clinton: One of the best Republican presidents we've ever had. The Former Yugoslavia: Bring back Marshall Tito! Nobody in America liked him much when he was alive, but now he looks like Lady Bird Johnson.The Idiot Nation: A friggin' stain on a blue dress. That's what captured our attention in the nineties -- along with slow-moving Broncos, six-year-old strangled beauty queens, and Hugh Grant's dating habits. Corporate America: There is no recession, my friends: no downturn, no hard times. The rich are wallowing in loot -- and now they want to make sure you don't come a-lookin' for your piece of the pie.The polls indicate that 60 percent of Americans are "upset or angry" about this land in which we now live -- a land where crooked courts select the president and money rules the day.

So if you're feeling the same way and you're wondering what's going to give out first -- the economy, Dick Cheney's pacemaker, or your new VW Beetle -- here's the book for you.

I'm going to go see Bowling for Columbine in a few weeks, maybe.

-=Die Alive=-

[Tovarish 0]

Just got back from this movie, it was amazing. I sent the link with the clips to a few freinds that night, no one had heard of it, and we went in a group of 5...no one had anything negative to say about it. Parts of it were incredibly emotional and serious, and the next minute you'd be cracking up at something. The whole bit in Canada was just priceless....the "Canadian Slum", the only  gun homicide in Winsor that a cop could remember "A guy from Detroit did it" ....Michael Moore going around a neighborhood to check if Canadians really do leave their doors unlocked....I'm definitely getting this on DVD when it comes out.

[billytran 0]

Hmm, America has a violence problem? Only in the places with the strictest gun control, like Washington DC, LA, Maryland, etc. The states with lax gun controls have lower crime rates.

That link Denoir provided is a bunch of BS. It lists rates of crimes committed with guns, not actual violent crime stats. Did you know that Britain has a higher violent crime rate than the US? The site also says that 10 kids a day are killed by guns... wrong. In order to get 10 kids a day you need to include everyone under 25, and the majority of those 10 are people with a criminal history. The site goes on to say that you're more likely to shoot someone from your family than an intruder. That's wrong again, there are over 2 million defensive gun uses each year in the US. The number of accidental gun deaths is lower than the number of drownings, falls, or poisoning. For an alternative to the anti-gun site listed by Denoir, go to http://www.guncite.com

There's nothing wrong with a bank giving away guns, so long as they do background checks and such. No one in their right mind is going to rob a bank that is practically a gun store.

That "Brief History of the US" was a whole lot of lies. It basically asserts that all gun owners are racists. Wrong. The 2nd Amendment was put in to protect against a tyrannical government, not to keep the slaves in check. The KKK was formed by a bunch of Confederate officers after the war. The NRA was formed by Union officers. Yeah, I'm sure they liked eachother a whole lot.

You can buy fully automatic weapons in the US. It takes a long background check and the approval of your local Chief of Police. Owners of fully automatic weapons are very law abiding. In the past fifty years only one or two people have been killed by legally owned machine guns. And crimes with illegal machineguns are extremely rare since it's hard to convert a gun to full auto.

[ralphwiggum 6]

for god sakes, can we have a f!@#ing thread without gun control debate?

[OFPunk 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">for god sakes, can we have a f!@#ing thread without gun control debate?<span id='postcolor'>

Um... no, not until we have no more gun control.

[Cloney 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OFPunk @ Nov. 08 2002,02:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">for god sakes, can we have a f!@#ing thread without gun control debate?<span id='postcolor'>

Um... no, not until we have no more gun control.<span id='postcolor'>

Is this considered inciting a flamewar?

Anyway, Im against this Gun-Control Business. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. As long as gun owners are responsible there will be no accidents. The left wingers are using this whole sniper thing to back their cause. Just because some crazy got their hands on a gun doesn't mean that every gun owner is gonna do that.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Nov. 08 2002,00:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That link Denoir provided is a bunch of BS.  It lists rates of crimes committed with guns, not actual violent crime stats.  Did you know that Britain has a higher violent crime rate than the US?  <span id='postcolor'>

Oh really. Take a look at a page from the pro-gun link you provided http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

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United States (/100k capita):

Violent deaths (suicide + homicide): 18.57

Homicides: 5.70

United Kingdom:

Violent deaths (suicide + homicide): 9.53

Homicides: 1.41

<span id='postcolor'>

[OFPunk 0]

Gun control doesnt work, the people who commit crimes arent the ones being controlled. Maybe the UK people don't think guns are that big of a deal or they dont have as many people who hate eachother. There were always be lots of Americans who want firearms and they will always have them them. Gun control is just a pain in the ass, kind of like a fly buzzing around your head.

Not to say this would happen anytime soon but if the government became overly oppressive we would have no way to revolt and that is exactly what the constitution doesn't want. When they wrote it they knew they couldn't have even fought the revolutionary war against a repressive government if they didnt have firearms.

[ralphwiggum 6]

ok..i think this thread is going to be another pro-ownership or pro-control thread despite my warinng on first page.

i think there isn't an argument we already haven't touched in old threads and see no reason to have another thread generate into it.

closing.