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[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm joining because weapons and war facinate me on a level nothing else does.<span id='postcolor'>

The whole 'weapons novelty' wears off real soon. The Army can find a way to make anything boring. You might be fascinated by an FN-MAG, but to me, it's just another gun that is heavy and has to be carried places along with it's kit and ammo. I used to be fascinated with all that stuff to when I was younger, but it wore off. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy using them though. But it isn't what keeps me going.

I hope you weren't serious about being fascinated by war, because war is not by any means 'fascinating'. Killing with the never ending threat of you or your buddies being killed is not 'fascinating' at all. You might think that you are an important individual. If there is one thing that the army has taught me, it is that every individual is expendable, especially infanteers.

If you think that you wont see paperwork in the Army, you have another thing coming.

Tyler

EDIT: what did your dad do?

[Sam Samson 0]

I really don't think there's anything wrong with the army or military service.

As long as I get to pick the generals...

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Sep. 22 2002,07:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm joining because weapons and war facinate me on a level nothing else does.<span id='postcolor'>

The whole 'weapons novelty' wears off real soon. The Army can find a way to make anything boring.<span id='postcolor'>

Especially since it is "fire weapon once, clean weapon 10 times". I assure you after the 100th time you have to clean your weapon you don't want to fire it but use it as a rectal probe on your drill instructor

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Sep. 20 2002,07:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">u love rocks and dust <span id='postcolor'>

'you' can't spell. As for loving my country, you know what I mean. I 'love' the set of philosophies and ethos that our country is based upon, and the manifestation of those ideas into an actual country.

My dad was drafted into the Army during Vietnam, and went airborne, which was lucky because he only spent about a month in Nam during '72 (that was the 82nd's only deployment in SE Asia). I like the idea of jumping out of airplanes and all that airborne duty entails, but I dont think my brain could handle using 'hooah' as a primary form of communication for several years lol. Aside from that, the Marine Corps is also attractive to me. First into the fight, and a serious challenge of my physical and psychological limitations. That and the picture of the flag-raising on Mt. Suribachi. I dont usually go in for propaganda, but that picture is special, and those are (almost) all Marines in the photo.

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">'you' can't spell. As for loving my country, you know what I mean. I 'love' the set of philosophies and ethos that our country is based upon, and the manifestation of those ideas into an actual country. <span id='postcolor'>

yes i can see what u mean but its the men up top that give the orders if u know what i mean plus if i use 'you' instead of 'u' i`d waste valuable time that could be used for other important things like staring at the ceiling or spinning in circles

[Oligo 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 20 2002,13:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would never go back. Military service is 99% shit 1% fun. I don't regret my service time since I value the experience, but there is no way in hell that I would go back.<span id='postcolor'>

My thoughts exactly, but I would go back for some peacekeeping duty, since that at least has some purpose (although I bet peacekeeping also is 99% shit and 1% fun).

[Guest]

I don't really consider my time in Kosovo as military service since I wasn't there as a grunt (but I was under military command).

I think that the normal peace keeping duties are very boring. I know also however that my friends that were with SweBat had a great time - they had very soft duties, lots of free time, good pay and many things to do (chasing girls, drinking etc ).

Without my prior military service I would have never gotten the opportunity to go to Kosovo, so military service was worth it out of that respect.

I got the opportunity some months ago to go down to Afghanistan, but I declined. I have some friends that are down there now (they have also been in Kosovo) and they say that it isn't worth it in any way. In Kosovo you could get anything like food and drink (Cars, steros and weapons too, if you are into that kind of thing ) and you have a pretty decend quality of life. Apparantly you can't get anything in Afghanistan - everybody lives of MREs and there is nothing at all to do there in your free time.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 23 2002,15:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Apparantly you can't get anything in Afghanistan - everybody lives of MREs and there is nothing at all to do there in your free time.<span id='postcolor'>

Why do you think they've been engaged in almost constant warfare for 1000 years? There's nothing else to do!

[Cloney 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 23 2002,23:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 23 2002,15:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Apparantly you can't get anything in Afghanistan - everybody lives of MREs and there is nothing at all to do there in your free time.<span id='postcolor'>

Why do you think they've been engaged in almost constant warfare for 1000 years? There's nothing else to do!<span id='postcolor'>

LOL!

[EveronVetsAgainstTheWar 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Sep. 22 2002,01:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm joining because weapons and war facinate me on a level nothing else does.<span id='postcolor'>

The whole 'weapons novelty' wears off real soon. The Army can find a way to make anything boring. You might be fascinated by an FN-MAG, but to me, it's just another gun that is heavy and has to be carried places along with it's kit and ammo. I used to be fascinated with all that stuff to when I was younger, but it wore off. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy using them though. But it isn't what keeps me going.

I hope you weren't serious about being fascinated by war, because war is not by any means 'fascinating'. Killing with the never ending threat of you or your buddies being killed is not 'fascinating' at all. You might think that you are an important individual. If there is one thing that the army has taught me, it is that every individual is expendable, especially infanteers.

If you think that you wont see paperwork in the Army, you have another thing coming.

Tyler

EDIT: what did your dad do?<span id='postcolor'>

My Dad was an officer in the Air Force in the 60s and 70s and 80s. He started out as a navigator on cargo planes like C-123s and went to Panama and stuff. Then he got into special operations with AC-130s and later commanded the Spectre unit out of Hurburt Field. Did at least 2 tours in Vietnam, and had operations in the Congo. He retired as Lt. Col. Before he was in the airforce he was in the Gaurd for a a couple years too.

He loved his time in the Air Force and does not share the opinion here of "I would never do it again" He talks all the time about wishing they would let him back. He's 64.

Now me, I want to be a combat controller in the Air Force. This is something I definately want to do and hopefully make a career out of. I cannot see myself doing anything else. (Well maybe flying but...)

And a few opinions from Europeans on the internet is not going to change my mind.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And a few opinions from Europeans on the internet is not going to change my mind. <span id='postcolor'>

I'm not European and resent being called that.

When you said "I'm joining because weapons and war facinate me on a level nothing else does." I had you figured for some wannabe infantry lifer type.

Oh well, my mistake.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">(Well maybe flying but...)<span id='postcolor'>

I would have loved to do that but bad eyesight says otherwise.

Tyler

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ Sep. 24 2002,04:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He loved his time in the Air Force and does not share the opinion here of "I would never do it again"  He talks all the time about wishing they would let him back.  He's 64.<span id='postcolor'>

That's the explenation. As time passes you tend to remember just the good stuff. I know that my opinion on the military is much more positive now then when I was in it. I'm sure that by the time I'll be 64 I'll be telling everybody how good it was in the military

As for "a few Europeans" - well, since most Europeans do military service, you should listen to us. We have done it fairly recently so we can give you a more objective picture of what it is like

[EveronVetsAgainstTheWar 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 23 2002,23:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for "a few Europeans" - well, since most Europeans do military service, you should listen to us. We have done it fairly recently so we can give you a more objective picture of what it is like <span id='postcolor'>

Silly Denoir... do you realistically expect me to LISTEN to you?!

[Oligo 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 24 2002,05:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for "a few Europeans" - well, since most Europeans do military service, you should listen to us. We have done it fairly recently so we can give you a more objective picture of what it is like <span id='postcolor'>

I don't know, maybe it is a question of attitude. If you're the sort of guy to sing the national anthem every morning, you might actually like it in the army, since you can always comfort yourself that you're serving the rodina and all that duty bollocks.

But if you're the kind of non-nationalistic guy that likes to mostly watch after his own interests (like me), then the army seems a little pointless. It's too altruistic to die for your country, since when you're dead, what the hell do you do with the country? Nope, I might die for a patch of land that I own, but not for the homes of people that I do not even know.

I knew guys in the army who just loved all that parade shit and patriotism crap that they tried to cram down our throats. I think they loved it in the army.