VXR 9 Posted August 4, 2002 who also has read the book JIHAD from a ex SAS soldier that was in afganistan when the soviets came in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 4, 2002 I have seen the book, is it worth getting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blaegis 0 Posted August 4, 2002 Do you mean Tom Carew's "Jihad: The Secret War in Afghanistan"? I've read it. Makes a fine illustration of how SAS trains its members to think on their feet. If what the guy writes is true, he sure got out of a few tight spots on the ground... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blaegis 0 Posted August 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 04 2002,17:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have seen the book, is it worth getting?<span id='postcolor'> Overall, the best book written by an ex-SAS member is, IMO, "The Eye of the Storm" by Peter Ratcliffe who was the SAS RSM during the Gulf War. He's far less self-glorifying than McNab and the rest of the ex-SAS-turned-writers bunch. "Inside the SAS: Who Dares Wins" by Tony Geraghty is the best overall history of the 22nd SAS I've read "Jihad" (see above) is interesting because it describes one ex-SAS operative's involvement in a black-bag operation (in Afghanistan, in this case) but it's scope is limited to that operation only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VXR 9 Posted August 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Jihad" (see above) is interesting because it describes one ex-SAS operative's involvement in a black-bag operation (in Afghanistan, in this case) but it's scope is limited to that operation only. <span id='postcolor'> its cool to read when a hind is shot down and woman from a near village come with knifes to cut in the living pilot faces hehe after a hour or som,ething there come loads of russians and start afgans start shooting with their AKs on hinds heh how stupid can you be LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blaegis 0 Posted August 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Vixer @ Aug. 04 2002,18:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its cool to read when a hind is shot down and woman from a near village come with knifes to cut in the living pilot faces hehe after a hour or som,ething there come loads of russians and start afgans start shooting with their AKs on hinds  heh how stupid can you be LOL<span id='postcolor'> *sighs* And I thought we'd have an intelligent discussion of the book. Silly me. Anyway, imagine yourself in a downed chopper, unable to move, when people show up and cut off your balls, nose and ears (in that order). Har har har. Funny as hell. Bloody hilarious. Interestingly enough, Carew didn't gloat about the Russians one bit in the book. Probably because he actually was down there on the ground... Kinda gives you a different perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Blaegis @ Aug. 04 2002,18:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Vixer @ Aug. 04 2002,18:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its cool to read when a hind is shot down and woman from a near village come with knifes to cut in the living pilot faces hehe after a hour or som,ething there come loads of russians and start afgans start shooting with their AKs on hinds  heh how stupid can you be LOL<span id='postcolor'> *sighs* And I thought we'd have an intelligent discussion of the book. Silly me. Anyway, imagine yourself in a downed chopper, unable to move, when people show up and cut off your balls, nose and ears (in that order). Har har har. Funny as hell. Bloody hilarious. Interestingly enough, Carew didn't gloat about the Russians one bit in the book. Probably because he actually was down there on the ground... Kinda gives you a different perspective.<span id='postcolor'> Verterans I have known usually have a great deal of respect for their opponents in propper wars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Espectro (DayZ) 0 Posted August 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 04 2002,18:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Blaegis @ Aug. 04 2002,18:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Vixer @ Aug. 04 2002,18:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its cool to read when a hind is shot down and woman from a near village come with knifes to cut in the living pilot faces hehe after a hour or som,ething there come loads of russians and start afgans start shooting with their AKs on hinds  heh how stupid can you be LOL<span id='postcolor'> *sighs* And I thought we'd have an intelligent discussion of the book. Silly me. Anyway, imagine yourself in a downed chopper, unable to move, when people show up and cut off your balls, nose and ears (in that order). Har har har. Funny as hell. Bloody hilarious. Interestingly enough, Carew didn't gloat about the Russians one bit in the book. Probably because he actually was down there on the ground... Kinda gives you a different perspective.<span id='postcolor'> Verterans I have known usually have a great deal of respect for their opponents in propper wars.<span id='postcolor'> What is a proper war? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Espectro @ Aug. 04 2002,21:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 04 2002,18:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Blaegis @ Aug. 04 2002,18:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Vixer @ Aug. 04 2002,18:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its cool to read when a hind is shot down and woman from a near village come with knifes to cut in the living pilot faces hehe after a hour or som,ething there come loads of russians and start afgans start shooting with their AKs on hinds  heh how stupid can you be LOL<span id='postcolor'> *sighs* And I thought we'd have an intelligent discussion of the book. Silly me. Anyway, imagine yourself in a downed chopper, unable to move, when people show up and cut off your balls, nose and ears (in that order). Har har har. Funny as hell. Bloody hilarious. Interestingly enough, Carew didn't gloat about the Russians one bit in the book. Probably because he actually was down there on the ground... Kinda gives you a different perspective.<span id='postcolor'> Verterans I have known usually have a great deal of respect for their opponents in propper wars.<span id='postcolor'> What is a proper war?<span id='postcolor'> Full military deployment in a traditional conflict. Not peace keeping etc. WWII, Fawklands, Malya, Korea etc. Most veterans I know have spoken of their respect for the fighting skills of their opponents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted August 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Vixer @ Aug. 04 2002,18:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Jihad" (see above) is interesting because it describes one ex-SAS operative's involvement in a black-bag operation (in Afghanistan, in this case) but it's scope is limited to that operation only. <span id='postcolor'> its cool to read when a hind is shot down and woman from a near village come with knifes to cut in the living pilot faces hehe after a hour or som,ething there come loads of russians and start afgans start shooting with their AKs on hinds  heh how stupid can you be LOL<span id='postcolor'> I don't see how you can find this "cool". I personally find it disturbing and thought provoking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VXR 9 Posted August 5, 2002 everybody has a other look on something shit happens in war Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blaegis 0 Posted August 5, 2002 Aaaaaanyway, IMO the most insightful part of the book is that British and American special forces have trained and equipped the same people which they now have to fight. Talk about something coming back and biting you in the ass... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scout 0 Posted August 5, 2002 another good SAS book is "born in the desert". this is a story of the SAS in the N. africa campaign from the unit's doctor point of view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio 0 Posted August 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Blaegis @ Aug. 04 2002,17:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> well at first, yes its very funny to read that. But if you think of it carefully and how you would feel if you were that pilot, it would be disturbing. Though, still at first it IS "Bloody Hilarious" to read it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M_S_Holder 0 Posted August 5, 2002 Not only are faces cut up, I've heard that live prisoners are often castrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VXR 9 Posted August 5, 2002 heh Blaegis told that already hehe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted August 5, 2002 Personally I think there is nothing 'hilarious' about torturing someone, enemy or not. I fully understand that there were atrocities commited by both sides...but two wrongs dont make a right. War is hell, that much is true. But the extent to which you will go, even in an armed conflict, is integral to your personal system of ethics, and even personal honour. But then, I am writing this from an air conditioned mall in a nation that hasnt had a real war fought on its soil Although I would like to think that, if faced with the opportunity to kill an enemy, that I would use a bullet...not carve him up for sport or revenge. No matter what his compatriots have done to my country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 06 2002,01:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Personally I think there is nothing 'hilarious' about torturing someone, enemy or not.  I fully understand that there were atrocities commited by both sides...but two wrongs dont make a right. War is hell, that much is true.  But the extent to which you will go, even in an armed conflict, is integral to your personal system of ethics, and even personal honour.  But then, I am writing this from an air conditioned mall in a nation that hasnt had a real war fought on its soil  Although I would like to think that, if faced with the opportunity to kill an enemy, that I would use a bullet...not carve him up for sport or revenge. No matter what his compatriots have done to my country.<span id='postcolor'> Damn right, thats what makes our societies worth defending in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zverushka 0 Posted August 6, 2002 Vixer you monster, go troll somewhere else. Imagine you were an Mi-24 pilot, with a mother and father, and a girlfriend back home. Then some islamic fundamentalists come and carve you up with knives- very funny right? Yes, Russians are humans too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xmurderx 0 Posted August 6, 2002 and if your dad was castrated? would you like to see some kid on a messageboard say it was "cool"? or if your older brothers head was paraded through a small rual village because he was doing his duty? would you like me to say "man, thats funny as hell"? I didnt think so Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
