Bush knows more...

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just a shot in the dark: perhaps because that is the fundament of democracy?<span id='postcolor'>

Uneducated people making important decisions is the fundament of democracy?  I certainly hope not.<span id='postcolor'>

No, uneducated people making importrant decisions that's Bush.

Uneducated people voting for uneducated people that get to make importrant decisions - that's democracy.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just a shot in the dark: perhaps because that is the fundament of democracy?<span id='postcolor'>

Uneducated people making important decisions is the fundament of democracy?  I certainly hope not.<span id='postcolor'>

So you think only "educated" people should have the franchise?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just a shot in the dark: perhaps because that is the fundament of democracy?<span id='postcolor'>

Uneducated people making important decisions is the fundament of democracy?  I certainly hope not.<span id='postcolor'>

No, uneducated people making importrant decisions that's Bush.

Uneducated people voting for uneducated people that get to make importrant decisions - that's democracy.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, that's your opinion.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you think only "educated" people should have the franchise?

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educated as in people that know what they're doing, yes.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bravo! Now what about something requiring a little knowledge, 1660 say?<span id='postcolor'>

Ah, almost had me, but we covered this in World History last year.

Charles II was restored to the throne by invitation from Parlaiment

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ July 23 2002,01:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bravo! Now what about something requiring a little knowledge, 1660 say?<span id='postcolor'>

Ah, almost had me, but we covered this in World History last year.

Charles II was restored to the throne by invitation from Parlaiment  <span id='postcolor'>

Very good! The majority of Brits wouldn't know that. but you are on the internet..

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you think only "educated" people should have the franchise?

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educated as in people that know what they're doing, yes.<span id='postcolor'>

So you are saying that you are against the American constitution? That's very un-American of you.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just a shot in the dark: perhaps because that is the fundament of democracy?<span id='postcolor'>

Uneducated people making important decisions is the fundament of democracy?  I certainly hope not.<span id='postcolor'>

No, uneducated people making importrant decisions that's Bush.

Uneducated people voting for uneducated people that get to make importrant decisions - that's democracy.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, that's your opinion.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you think only "educated" people should have the franchise?

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educated as in people that know what they're doing, yes.<span id='postcolor'>

1. Thats not an opinion it is a fact.

2. Rule by an 'intellectual elite' would be tyranny.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Very good! The majority of Brits wouldn't know that. but you are on the internet.. <span id='postcolor'>

Believe what you want. You did ask the question after all.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you think only "educated" people should have the franchise?

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educated as in people that know what they're doing, yes.<span id='postcolor'>

So you are saying that you are against the American constitution? That's very un-American of you.<span id='postcolor'>

Please stop baiting him. I know its fun, but its kind of cruel

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ July 23 2002,01:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Very good! The majority of Brits wouldn't know that. but you are on the internet.. <span id='postcolor'>

Believe what you want. You did ask the question after all.<span id='postcolor'>

I can't know if you looked it up or not, so its not a very good test is it?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ July 23 2002,01:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Very good! The majority of Brits wouldn't know that. but you are on the internet.. <span id='postcolor'>

Believe what you want. You did ask the question after all.<span id='postcolor'>

I can't know if you looked it up or not, so its not a very good test is it?<span id='postcolor'>

Bah, with google I can tell you who queen Victoria lost her virginity to

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ July 23 2002,01:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Very good! The majority of Brits wouldn't know that. but you are on the internet.. <span id='postcolor'>

Believe what you want. You did ask the question after all.<span id='postcolor'>

I can't know if you looked it up or not, so its not a very good test is it?<span id='postcolor'>

Bah, with google I can tell you who queen Victoria lost her virginity to <span id='postcolor'>

Indeed.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ July 23 2002,01:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Please stop baiting him. I know its fun, but its kind of cruel<span id='postcolor'>

Lol. Well he said that he is against the democratic voting system where everybody has the right to vote, right? The system he proposes is a society led by an elite. Quite Leninistic I would say, wouldn't you

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you are saying that you are against the Amercan constitution? That's very un-American of you.<span id='postcolor'>

Uneducated people leading the country is not in the constitution.  And no need to double-post

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Thats not an opinion it is a fact.

2. Rule by an 'intellectual elite' would be tyranny<span id='postcolor'>

It's your opinion that you hold as a fact.  And being led by trained politicians is not a tyranny.  Don't twist my words around.

EDIT - </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well he said that he is against the democratic voting system where everybody has the right to vote, right? <span id='postcolor'>

I didn't say that.  Stop twisting my words around.  It defeats the purpose of arguing.

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denoir, you should go into politics, especialy since you like it so much.

Anyway, I agree with den. As usual. Just so you know...

Adios,

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you are saying that you are against the Amercan constitution? That's very un-American of you.<span id='postcolor'>

Uneducated people leading the country is not in the constitution.  And no need to double-post

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Thats not an opinion it is a fact.

2. Rule by an 'intellectual elite' would be tyranny<span id='postcolor'>

It's your opinion that you hold as a fact.  And being led by trained politicians is not a tyranny.  Don't twist my words around.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well he said that he is against the democratic voting system where everybody has the right to vote, right? <span id='postcolor'>

I didn't say that.  Stop twisting my words around.  It defeats the purpose of arguing.<span id='postcolor'>

From what you have said, you don't strike me as a highly educated person. What if you had no rights in this autocracy you propose?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you are saying that you are against the Amercan constitution? That's very un-American of you.<span id='postcolor'>

Uneducated people leading the country is not in the constitution.  And no need to double-post

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Thats not an opinion it is a fact.

2. Rule by an 'intellectual elite' would be tyranny<span id='postcolor'>

It's your opinion that you hold as a fact.  And being led by trained politicians is not a tyranny.  Don't twist my words around.

EDIT - </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well he said that he is against the democratic voting system where everybody has the right to vote, right? <span id='postcolor'>

I didn't say that.  Stop twisting my words around.  It defeats the purpose of arguing.<span id='postcolor'>

Where is the double post?

You said that uneducated people should have no right making importrant decisions. You even said that uneducated people should not have the right to criticize the president of the united states. Right? That's two constitutional violations.

As for the queen Victoria virginity question: it was a trick question. The answer is nobody. Sir Francis Drake claimed that he got to second base, but that was probably just him bragging to his friends

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I think your history has let you down there!

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From what you have said, you don't strike me as a highly educated person. What if you had no rights in this autocracy you propose?<span id='postcolor'>

Resorting to childish insulting are we?  That's very mature of you.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You said that uneducated people should have no right making importrant decisions. You even said that uneducated people should not have the right to criticize the president of the united states. Right? That's two constitutional violations.<span id='postcolor'>

Once again, stop putting words in my mouth.  I never said either of those things.

This is pathetic.  Neither of you are making any arguable points.

EDIT - and I think I saw a double post on both the 3rd and 4th pages. Doesn't make any difference though.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From what you have said, you don't strike me as a highly educated person. What if you had no rights in this autocracy you propose?<span id='postcolor'>

Resorting to childish insulting are we?  That's very mature of you.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You said that uneducated people should have no right making importrant decisions. You even said that uneducated people should not have the right to criticize the president of the united states. Right? That's two constitutional violations.<span id='postcolor'>

Once again, stop putting words in my mouth.  I never said either of those things.

This is pathetic.  Neither of you are making any arguable points.<span id='postcolor'>

That isn't an insult, it is presenting a massive flaw in you naive suggestion. Who decides who is 'educated' and who isn't? You don't seem to understand why your proposal is flawed, and hence my low estimation of you education

As for putting words in you mouth, we don't need to. Your ideas directly contradict the US constitution. Ipso facto, QED.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From what you have said, you don't strike me as a highly educated person. What if you had no rights in this autocracy you propose?<span id='postcolor'>

Resorting to childish insulting are we?  That's very mature of you. <span id='postcolor'>

Yes you are right on that point. No personal insults please.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You said that uneducated people should have no right making importrant decisions. You even said that uneducated people should not have the right to criticize the president of the united states. Right? That's two constitutional violations.<span id='postcolor'>

Once again, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said either of those things.

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Remember these words?:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know why people who have absolutely no political background, training, or education besides what they see on CNN think they're fit to judge the president of the united states. now THAT's stupid. <span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just a shot in the dark: perhaps because that is the fundament of democracy?<span id='postcolor'>

Uneducated people making important decisions is the fundament of democracy? I certainly hope not.<span id='postcolor'>

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you think only "educated" people should have the franchise?

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educated as in people that know what they're doing, yes.<span id='postcolor'>

In the first one you question the right to free speech.

In the second you question the right of democratic voting.

In the third you support the idea of an ruling intellectual elite.

Couldn't be more clear to me

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who decides who is 'educated' and who isn't?<span id='postcolor'>

People who have any amount of political training are educated, people who don't, aren't. It's just that simple. If you didn't go to high school, are you educated?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for putting words in you mouth, we don't need to. Your ideas directly contradict the US constitution.<span id='postcolor'>

You're telling me that I said things that I didn't say. My ideas don't contradict the U.S. contstitution. The ideas you're saying I said, are.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,01:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 23 2002,01:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who decides who is 'educated' and who isn't?<span id='postcolor'>

People who have any amount of political training are educated, people who don't, aren't.  It's just that simple.  If you didn't go to high school, are you educated?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for putting words in you mouth, we don't need to. Your ideas directly contradict the US constitution.<span id='postcolor'>

You're telling me that I said things that I didn't say.  My ideas don't contradict the U.S. contstitution.  The ideas you're saying I said, are.<span id='postcolor'>

Read Denoir's post! look at what YOU said!

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FSPilot, I understand what you are trying to say...You really backed yourself into a corner there! You should choose your words more carefully, especially when Paratrooper and Denoir are around. They will eat you up like hungry wolves!

Very ammusing read!

It is tiresome to see unqualified, and inexperienced people being elected into high offices. I agree, but remember who elects them... It's the main flaw of Democracy. However, it's one that we have to live with since there is no better options.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 23 2002,01:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

No, no, and NO.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know why people who have absolutely no political background, training, or education besides what they see on CNN think they're fit to judge the president of the united states.<span id='postcolor'>

That in NO way says anything about freedom of speech. Just because you don't know what you're talking about, doesn't mean you don't have a right to say it.

I was saying that people who aren't trained in a certain field, but still talk about it like they are, are stupid.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Uneducated people making important decisions is the fundament of democracy? I certainly hope not.<span id='postcolor'>

I'm not talking about voting. Citizens didn't vote on this decision did they? So what I said has absolutely nothing to do with voting, does it?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">educated as in people that know what they're doing, yes.<span id='postcolor'>

That has nothing to do with an intellectual elite. I'm simply

against professional wrestlers being elected into office.

And Lazarus, the only funny thing about this is how highly they emphasize simple semantics.