removable scopes?

[stealthycactus 1]

Many times when im playing, i end up pickling up a new weapon, only to hate the scope mounted on it.

i think it would be really good if we had the ability to remove the scope like you can IRL, maybe a specific category in the gear pane?

[[evo] dan 79]

Going in Arma 3 so you will have to wait for it, although I think there was a mod somewhere to do it.

[scarecrow398 43]

done multiple times (Twice by two diffrent people in my clan actually and many other people)

see:http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?p=2071710#post2071710

Oh and IRL you can just switch sights or you would have a fucked sight allignment, the best you could do is remove the optic and use iron sights(assuming they're already Zeroed) .

[Nutlink 10]

Oh and IRL you can not just switch sights or you would have a fucked sight allignment, the best you could do is remove the optic and use iron sights(assuming they're already Zeroed) .

Fixed the typo. Most of us knew what you meant Scarecrow, but I'm just clarifying for those that might not know any better :)

[stealthycactus 1]

Yeah thats what i meant, i mean just purely removing optics, and using iron sights, because also, what soldier randomly carries various scopes on them?

[becubed 24]

Fixed the typo. Most of us knew what you meant Scarecrow, but I'm just clarifying for those that might not know any better :)

Everyone always says this but there are scope mounts around that provide retention of zero between changes. Here is a review of one.

They have obviously been around for a long time as I can remember reading in Andy McNab's biography about him training with them when he joined the SAS. (At least I think it was that book.)

[scarecrow398 43]

Everyone always says this but there are scope mounts around that provide retention of zero between changes. Here is a review of one.

They have obviously been around for a long time as I can remember reading in Andy McNab's biography about him training with them when he joined the SAS. (At least I think it was that book.)

it was my original impression but i recently saw a guy down a local range take his scope off fire off 60 or so round, put the scope back on and hit dead on where he said he was aiming :|

i was pretty supprised seeing it wasn't a typical scope mount it was some le roue mount that used hinges that flip over.

p.s andy mcnabs a douché, a lot of what happened was due to poor leadership.

[max power 21]

Yeah but even if that is possible for the same weapon, do you think it's possible for a different one? I'm not so sure.

[demonized 20]

on several weapons you can switch to rion sights by pressing /

[scarecrow398 43]

Yeah but even if that is possible for the same weapon, do you think it's possible for a different one? I'm not so sure.

depending on the scope and if its the same caliber but its its a diffrent caliber, No, too many variables with diffrent rifles, same with calibers (while .300 vs .308 doesn't seem that much of a diffrence math wise you try switching scopes and theres going to be a major diffrence from point of aim-point of impact due to the higher muzzle velocity and diffrences in the rifle it self, though tech these days with balistic computers and scope's makes adjustment pretty accurate first time and fairly fast.)

Edited January 28, 2012 by Scarecrow398

[max power 21]

depending on the scope and if its the same caliber but its its a diffrent caliber, No, too many variables with diffrent rifles, same with calibers (while .300 vs .308 doesn't seem that much of a diffrence math wise you try switching scopes and theres going to be a major diffrence from point of aim-point of impact due to the higher muzzle velocity and diffrences in the rifle it self, though tech these days with balistic computers and scope's makes adjustment pretty accurate first time and fairly fast.)

I'm talking about RIS/barrel alignment, not calibre differences.

[scarecrow398 43]

ah sorry, you mean, for example taking a EOTech off one M4 and putting it on another M4?

in which case i can't really say, i've only seen it done with scopes off of long range rifles not assault rifles and such seeing there isn't even any to try it on here in australia :( (tough gun restrictions)

[max power 21]

I was talking about this to a Lt. Col. in the US Army a while back and he was saying that nothing you snap on to an RIS is going to be as accurate as something that's firmly attached to the barrel. He was also saying that each weapon has its own tendencies and perturbations and every time you put a new sight on or even disturb one, it requires re-zeroing. Now, if you're detaching and reattaching some sight on a RIS and you're only disturbing it like 2 moa (I have no idea), you might not notice the 2 inches at 100 yards when you're using a reflex sight, but what's the point of firing a 1 moa weapon when you're messing with the sights like that?

[scarecrow398 43]

nothing you snap on to an RIS is going to be as accurate as something that's firmly attached to the barrel. He was also saying that each weapon has its own tendencies and perturbations and every time you put a new sight on or even disturb one, it requires re-zeroing. Now, if you're detaching and reattaching some sight on a RIS and you're only disturbing it like 2 moa (I have no idea), you might not notice the 2 inches at 100 yards when you're using a reflex sight, but what's the point of firing a 1 moa weapon when you're messing with the sights like that?

as i said i've never used or ever seen a assault rifle because of tough restrictions (other than a Steyr AUG while i was on a military base) only bolt action rifles designed for long range, obviously never used with aimpoints, eotechs ect but only high power optics with scope rings/mounts that can be more presise than the mounts on low power optics, i've never seen optics mounted directly onto the barrel (for many reasons) he may have been refering to the diffrence from sight to bore line saying that its more accurate to have less of a gap, either way switching sights or not its a good idea to zero every now and again (not needed but a good idea)

also most presision rifles (just to pass manufactuer spec) have to be <1 MOA

oh and a MOA (Minute of arc) is a angular mesurement (just like degrees, mils, ect) from my understanding a full circle in degrees is 1 to 360 degrees while a moa is 1 full rotation to 21,600 moa, there fore making it more precise (like mils is to degree)

Edited January 30, 2012 by Scarecrow398

[max power 21]

I know what an moa is. M16s are rated at 1 moa in accuracy. When I said '1 moa weapon', I was specifically referencing the m16 an applying it to assault rifles with RIS in general.

[scarecrow398 43]

I know what an moa is. M16s are rated at 1 moa in accuracy. When I said '1 moa weapon', I was specifically referencing the m16 an applying it to assault rifles with RIS in general.

ah, sorry, i didn't know what the M16's are supposed to be rated for, and by

2 moa (I have no idea)

i thought you ment you didn't know what a MOA was ;)

again though i can't say, i've seen proffessional shooters and instructors switch scopes on a LaRuae OBR (Mk12 firing 7.62 essentally) without adjusting but thats it, its extreamly rare to even find a Semi automatic rifle in australia because of the restrictions on obtaining firearms permits that allow purchues of semi automatic weapons.

[max power 21]

Oh, I see what you were saying. Thanks for the explanation at any rate!