Misconduct

I would say that the unpredicted and unintended change to the 3 year old camera should be priority number one, it shouldn't matter what the general feel of the feedback is, BI fundamentally changed the game and its appearance, I for one bought Arma because of its long range beauty, I simply cant look at it anymore, and it frustrates me to no end to hear people suggest that we get used to it or adapt, because we simply shouldn't HAVE to. My full dedication to this game was thrown away overnight by a massive oversight and under response to our pleas (not to mention those who roll over and take it, while suggesting that everyone else rollover and take it). Im not saying my opinion matters more than others but I just want people to understand more of the impact, which is that every single 3rd person video on youtube advertising this game for Bohemia is now an outdated and meaningless video. Maybe I'm just bitchy because my loyalty to this game - (i.e. my game time and youtube channel) - means nothing now. Re-learn? I can, but I'm more inclined to find a game developer that respects their own product enough not to shit on it, and if they do, fix it for those who gave their time and money to them.

Can we get some indication as to what is going to happen here? Are we getting something identical to 1.68 camera? Avoiding in game option... what does that mean? You aren't working on a 1.68 option for this? I really wish there was an update on progress or BI's thoughts about this more often, we are waiting in the dark here.

BWAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!! Arma and the Jets;Baby,dont touch my camera! OMG I laughed so loud

Just a mad man rambling on.

Consider it sorted out, we got some hammers and some duct tape, were gona Redneck-3rdPcamera this bitch for BI!

I like your positive outlook! I sure hope BI will give us a ray of hope in terms of communication tho, I'd settle for a definitive "we are GOING to give you the 1.68 (or perfect patch) camera at some point in the next few weeks" or "too bad, its staying like this" I just don't like waiting in the dark on this. Heli-cam comparison video in a few hours, 1.70 and 1.70(hotfix) vs 1.68

I have so much empathy for this whole quote - from technical inexperience/fear of mods - to giving up on multiplayer to get my flying the way I love it.

even if the success rate of the flying you described (sounds familiar) is 25% it is still a far better tactic than paradrops in terms of boots on the ground (points) because you get groups of soldiers defending an LZ while reviving, much higher success rates follow one good, hot LZ. Check out Token Abizi (sp?) with the mohawk ( I think romille1 mentioned him earlier) he is a madman. (but, Hummingbird>Mohawk!!)

ahhh! That is probably out of my league, but I will look into it. Does that effect battleye, will it be considered hacking? ... clearly I don't understand what that really does. Thanks for the reply on that~!

I see several people have asked how you actually configure this. i.e. what part, of what menu do we access these camera options? Sorry if its a stupid question but I cant find it.

Does that mean you are working on a new hotfix or revert to 1.68 for helis? Can we stop the horizon from moving with extCameraParams?

Taking what I said way out of context, intentionally? I simply don't care about the jets, so castrate them, YES or NO, who cares? This thread is about the helicopter camera. I don't see a single point in the 3 points, it reads like: 1.The thing that started this thread happened 2.The devs said... something... and I should re- read it (to this moment they have not commented on reverting or a post hotfix update anywhere on this thread) 3. Despite the fact that you are arguing against me in this debate where I am trying to get a revert or new hotfix, you are somehow not trying to stop it...? and refer to point number 2 for info on that (and try to figure out what a word compromise is) I will follow the Oukej's advice and keep this on point, I think that means no more arguing over perceivably intentional misinterpretations.

Who said dodo bird? I didnt. Who said jets dlc was unpopular? I didnt. I didnt even say jets should be castrated, I said I simply dont care, they are all no-talent auto-aim machines if you ask me i.e. press "T" and get points, I dont care because I will never use them because I do my own aiming. There are many people who can do what I do and better (I still doubt you are one of them from the way you talk about this), that's not the point, the point is that changing such a fundamental aspect to the game is rude to the fan base. Simply put; Arma has looked great for years, and now it doesn't. ...but again, I am asking someone here: why are you trying to stop us getting 1.68 as an option?

Sarcasm is always going to be lost in text, particularly when you use it ironically in the same paragraph as other weird logic; for instance the fact that you havn't looked anywhere else suggests you are only looking here, there are many people complaining, you are just selectively listening it seems and you claim that only 6 people care? The omission of information is not prove of non-existence. Bohemia should care about all the reasons why anyone buys/recommends/likes their product, they should definitely be listening. All we are asking for here is the option to have the same camera we have had for 4 years, why try to stop it?

An excellent diplomatic solution for everyone!

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124840

My post are emotional because I love this GAME, and it just got very ugly. An amateur pilot would call that a "slight" camera change, I'm sure you barely noticed it. As far as the castration goes, I really don't care what happens to Jets - I just noticed you call them multimillion dollar dangerous instruments of war and I thought that was absurd, video games like these are caricatures of real life but in a "paper, rock, scissors" style of strengths and weaknesses, and the jets don't currently have enough weaknesses. Magic teleportation (kOTH) ,instant rearming and unlimited supply of jets/money - simply eliminate the natural weakness that jets have. It's a simple fix for simple players. Some of us have put in time, I'm doubting you will understand.

Interesting how you use real numbers for those who have the game, and extremely loose numbers (4, which is incorrect if you count) to completely sum up the opposition. On this page of this thread at this time; there are 6 people opposed to the change and hotfix, and 2 who like it, and one who I'm not sure about. You make the large assumption that 400 000 people are happy, when they simply havn't chimed in on either side yet. ... lol but who cares about facts, when your opinion weighs the most! Also leading in with "my opinion weights the most" suggests that one opinion SHOULD outweigh others, so, none of your original statistics could possibly mean anything according to your own theory.

Brought a tear to my eye man, thank you for the kind support! I really do love this game, and I want to showcase its beauty to more people. Agreed, if others find it easy to adapt I must immediately question their previous abilities, at the very least I have to question how much time they've put in. For me, learning this is like flying an RC helicopter while standing on a raft at sea... ...in other words: it may be subtle, but it is nothing like it used to be "I think the amount of time a person invests into your product shows a certain amount of loyalty, and I guess we'll see if that's something Bohemia Interactive values or not..." Here's hoping Bohemia has loyalty too. Misconduct

It is not simply a change with some technical aspect of the physics in the game... its that the beautiful 3rd person flying INCLUDING a steady horizon made many of us buy/keep playing for years... now it is gone and to those who say they can adapt I would suggest never really flew well to begin with. There are a few dedicated pilots who understand what a fundamental change this is, and youtubers like myself & romille1 (Firebird) who has an excellent showcase of how beautiful this game is (was), now his footage (flying) is outdated because it no longer looks like that. ... and I didnt suggest it but , YES castrate them & the jets are not multi-million dollars, they are tens of thousands in GAME which is the part that matters, it is still a game. Maybe a mil sim group would appreciate a jets dominance in a realistic scenario, but KOTH and every other version of Arma has NOTHING to do with realism, very noticeable when you magically teleport into a flying jet 2km from viable targets and in weapons range. This is not a simple get used to it scenario as we have all done in the past, this is a fundamental change to the way we observe the game, and its now ugly.

Bohemia are you going to chime in here? 1.68 view as an option?

Fair enough, 1.70 got a lot of us here, I guess Im just hoping more people express that they are not ok with any update to the helis, but you are entitled to be ok with it if you like it. I'm just desperate to play again and i just cant, moreover my current youtube channel is nothing more than "the way Arma 3 used to look". I guess that dream is dying. (sniffle)

You might need a higher upload speed from your internet provider. My 15 min videos take 15min to upload to youtube, if that long. The quality issue is probably FRAPS, I know nothing about it but Instant Replay (prev. Shadowplay) gives me full game quality which then gets bumped down to 50FPS after editing (VSDC free video editor)(full version gets 60FPS) The issue at hand: I realize you are OK with the new update but you also are OK with 1.68, what made you find this post if you don't care? I hope you will join us in asking the developers to not change such a fundamental aspect of the gameplay... or at least give us the option of 1.68 camera. Devs, please stop hitting your beautiful creation with the ugly stick. 1.68 FTW!! Misconduct

Third this. How about an update on the progress BI?

"Valid complaints that 3rd person camera used to be "suboptimal" (and sim industry non-standard-ish) for aircraft control and flight vector awareness is what triggered the changes in the first place :) If simulation is the attempt you should probably eliminate 3rd person altogether... I don't want that to happen, but making changes to the way you observe the game is a mistake, I bought Arma 2 & 3 largely because of 3rd person (FrankieonPC DayZ) and fell in love with flying in 3rd person with King of the Hill and Wasteland. Flying is now a nauseating experience for me. Also, I really don't know what to do with my youtube channel which exclusively catered to Arma 3rd person flying. Is my existing footage worthless now? Are my videos now outdated? I've had so many people tell me my vids are the reason that they bought Arma. Please don't take it all away, I need 1.68 view as an option.