Degman

An immigrant is a person which used to live in one country and then he moved into another one. It is connected to the territory, not nationality, origins, etc.

And now classic .. You are delusional. FPDR

Very nice! These things will kick some ISasses. :cool:

Russia, Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia-Herzegovina General :D

This is Russia General thread. When Russia put veto on something, then it can be mentioned in this particular thread. I dont see why something should not be mentioned just because it features something about Serbia. Nobody here is calling you a genocidal nation (are you complex or something ?), but we do hate those who has commited war crimes. Some of Serbian officers, Chetnik leaders (Šešelj and his 'students') and individuals which did it, not the whole Serbian nation. It's like we are offending you personnaly or something. (...) 700k victims in Jasenovac is a pure joke. Yugoslavian research (and all the researchs until today with serious and objective approach) from 1964. indicates that there were 80k of victims, while they are counting on yet unfound mass graves with believeing that max. number would be around 100-150k. Until today there is still no more skeletons found than 70-85k. Note that Ustashies had no gas chambers, but bullets and knives. And just to stop this off-topic in off-topic madness, I will note that my own grandgrandmother was captured (because of helping partisans) and sent to Jasenovac. She was saved in the last moment.

Russia defending Serbia in politics is not related to Russia - how ? Also, if Russia had something to do with Jasenovac, then yes - it belongs in this thread.

As you said yourself, Vilas, nothing is black/white. 1940s were not 2000s. The most of people didn't even know what they fought for. Do you know that even Serbs were recruited in Croatian Home Guard (mobilized regular armed forces of the Independent State of Croatia) ? Here it was literally joining the army that came first into your village/town. The people were uneducated, it was crisis and both sides were using propaganda. Nobody used to fight because they enjoyed pissing in the trench full of blood, but because they were brainwashed by various medias (radio, local government, etc) and on various ways. Also, Nazi Germany was no1 world's superpower in economy and military - what hungry soul would not fight alongside it to become like it ? (I am talking about these poor people from the Europe in these times, just waiting for some kind of revolution) Germans offered organization, partnership and strenght in exchange for manpower. The New World Order that will finally be just great ! Now, even today some people buy that crap, so how can you call people from these times monsters because they were pathetic, uneducated and naive ? Some people knew what was going on, others did not nor they would understand even if you explained it to them into details. You see, my grand-grandmother was in concentration camp Jasenovac just because she was helping "terrorist partisans". My grand-grandfather was a partisan which used to be hungry for days without eating anything, not even stealing an apple from someone's yard (nor he did let anyone from his unit do the same). My grand-grandfather from my father's side was a Croatian Home Guard corporal (he was mobilized) and I barely know anything about him. He probably went throught many bullshit, as CHG troops were treated like dogs by Ustashi officers and they saw every kind of shit that one normal man is not supposed to. However, I would never call all the Ustashies, Home Guards, Germans, Italians, partisans, Chetniks, etc. monsters in general, but only those who commited war crimes and if they had done it by their will (cos I cant blame someone if he was forced to do it - it's you or him).

This is not an objective point of view. Truth is not something 'in the middle'. The truth is what happened. Also, 13th Mountain SS Division "The Handschar" was originally formed to defend local population in Bosnia (now I talk about Bosnian interests), but it was exploitet by German officers (German interests) and like slaves they were sent to fight against Yugo partisans, Red Army, etc and not only Chetniks. This is not what Bosniaks ever wanted, but what they were forced to do after being tricked. Did you knew that "Handschar" division was the only SS division to create rebellion against Nazis and fascists ? Yes, they did it, as they were about to be sent to France, what they paid at cost of their lives.

Vilas, even if you may think that your opinion is objective, it is not. Actually, it's very one-sided and defensive. We will come to that ˇˇ Uhm, mainly ''cause nobody wanted Milošević and Belgrade's centralism - which was worse and worse by time. We never wanted to separate, but to isolate from his pro-Serbian policy, demanding our own state under Confederation of Yugoslavia. Slovenians and Bosniaks demanded the same. Now, tell me Vilas, when they rejected that and used military / paramilitary force to take our land after inevitable separation .. well, I will put it this way: Nazis became the victims in Poland ? :rolleyes: What does "Great Albania" has to do with war in Bosnia & Herzegovina ? Not only that it was impossible, but it is a digusting lie. Bosniaks were just protecting their country - and their families. Heck, not only Bosniaks, but local Serbian population too used to fight Yugo People's Army and paramilitaries next to it. You probably want to mention the Kosovo war. I remember you had mentioned something about Nazis and wrote "if someone attack me, and then i defend myself, then it's attacker's fault that he got killed/injured". I really dont want to search for that quote right now, but I am sure you remember you wrote it somewhere. BTW about crimes from the Croatian side - we dont deny them. We arrested our criminals long time ago and they are in jail. Serbs, on other hand, deny crimes from the Serbian side, even when it's obvious it happened, and mostly shows their criminals as heroes which served the Serbia for good. It were the Chetniks who killed Bosniaks and Croats in Bosnia, so then Bosniaks and Croats demanded weapons from German authorities to defend themselves - what led to creation of the Handžar SS unit. The Serbs themselves (at least those who served in Chetniks, not a whole nation) are directly responsible for creation of that unit, AS WELL as for creation of Ustashi movement earlier. If you really want me to explain that to you in further - I will. Yeah, one-sided. FPDR The Croats and Bosniaks suffered from the Serbs just like they suffered from them. Also, how the heck can someone 'revenge' for 40s crimes in 90s ? Ustashies were almost all killed after WW2 in Cross path, together with their families (Bleiburg - the ACTUAL worst crime after WW2), so these 'self-accelerated violence' jackasses were actually killing the Croats whose grandparents were partisans (that liberated conc. camps). :rolleyes2: BTW what about "our" (well, I am not Ustashi nor my grandparents were one of them) 'self-accelerated violence excuse' ? We had to live in Serbian oppression since 1918-1941 (which was then replaced by Nazi-fascist oppression). So, we must not forget that Croats, Bosniaks and Slovenians that served to Nazi regime were just victims of self-accelerated violence started by Serbian oppression. Hmm, okay, whatever, but it doesnt make a god-damn excuse for the people that were slaughtered. There is no excuse for taking someone's life, other than that if your own is endangered by his actions. We are all very familiar with what happened in WW2 and 90s, so there is no need to sell us warm water theories.

Well, this proves that you are a hypocrite.

Please, be specific.

They haven't even finished 5th generation fighter and you claim them to have 6th generation soon ? You are super duper delusional. FPDR What you saw was experimental aircraft that has to wait a looong time until it is combat ready. Such as sofisticated technology requires alot of time and what Russia has less and less of it - the money. Russian military budget: around 60 billion of dollars (to be 10-20% lower in following years and on) US military budget: around 660 billion of dollars (to be more than 700 billions in following years) + Other NATO countries (Germany, France, United Kingdom, etc.) US military has like unlimited amount of money in compare to Russia and it is using it. What US military will have until 2030s will be a science fiction to Russian military. Just look at DARPA, Boston Dynamics, F-35 program, new generation missiles, early warning systems, combat awareness and observation, etc. You are far from being in right by saying that Russia is technologicaly more advanced than the US and 'evil West'. Not even in theory. Idk how your biological impulses are hittin' you right now, but I sure as hell know that you have no idea what are you talking about.

It's from the Arma 2 OA. I actually saw that very particular screenshot in full size, but I forgot where. All these real photos were too unreallistic in comparment. :D

You are delusional. FPDR

You are talking about F-16A/B fighters, no ? Well, GLONASS is pointless because sattelites are first to be targeted and destroyed by various anti-sattelite weapons. What you need is a good radar and precise missiles.

Long-range missiles are known to be unprecise and any long-range forcing is pointless. That's why the West is using AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air) missiles which have a good chance of hitting their targets. Russian extreme-range missiles perhaps are great for C-130, galaxy and other huge planes hunting, but I doubt that modern fighters couldn't out-maneuver them. For close combat there are short-range missiles such as AIM-9 series that are capable of tracking fast fighters in maneuvers.

Su-30/35 vs F-35 ? Please, read some fighter specs before posting this or visiting such as websites that are providing false informations and/or creating absurd compartments that even doesn't include important things.

The F-22 Raptor was supposed to be the most advanced airplane that ever flied, being dominant in literally every field and that's why companies working on it had constant issues that led to eventual abortion of a program (note that it was a first such as attemp in a modern history). The F-35 is F-22's successor and it has the same radar, improved electronics and solved problems, however it is not as good in dogfight (which is unimportant today), but still is dominant to every other airplane. His radar + AMRAAM AIM-120 missiles ensures air survivability, while its air-to-ground capabilities ensures it's multi-role efficiency. 1 trillion of dollars is 1 trillion of dollars, yes, but that's the cost of progress.

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F-35 is to be followed by F-22 Raptors if it will be ever sent on battlefield. Also, dogfights doesnt exist anymore, so perhaps it could stand a chance. Missiles are what matters.

I know what you mean, but it's still Ministry of Interior. Every country has anti-terrorist units and special police that posses armored vehicles and modern weapons, but their missions are not defense of a country.

Jez. Of course that every possible unit will be defending it's country from foreing occupants, but in the peace time law enforcement (any kind of it) is not considered to be a part of defense. By that logic, I can write about regular citizens of USA in here cos they would be defending their homes in case of war. Ministry of Interior is not Ministry/Department of Defense, no matter what vehicles and weapons it has and is not to be categorized as part of the defense other than in extraordinary times (war).

Helicopter class cannot perform plane-like flight (when you rotate your rotors). Plane class, on other hand, has VTOL and it can perform helicopter-like flight (however, then it doesn't have slingLoad and perhaps some other helicopter options). So, you can have Osprey as helicopter class, but it won't have ability to fly fast. You can have Osprey as plane class, but then forgett about slingLoading, fast rope, etc.

It doesn't matter if you ever had spoken to me - I have a right to post a comment wherever and whenever I want. I find your reports funny, as these are not based on anything that violates forum rules nor are offensive. Tonci simply asked if you claim Russians to be racists as they will be always a pain in ass for those who doesn't LOOK like them. I don't want admins to ban you nor I am a part of Illuminati anti-SRBKnight organization from wild west.

You are kidding, right ?