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20°C cooler i7-11700K you can additionally OC it so it also reaches 90°C, like R7 5800X. But at that point i7-11700K will be faster at same temp. Intel 11000 have bigger CPU DIE and it's well placed in the center so the best position for coolers to cool it and you also don't need an AiO or custom water cooling and you still can OC Intel 11000 on air.

i7-11700K stock with Noctua NH-D15 R7 5800X seems to be real garbage with 89°C for 16 threads and 7 nano vs. 82°C of R9 5950X (32 threads) only 71°С for i7-11700K (16 threads) i9-11900K will be cooler than i7-11700K thanks to lower voltage for higher frequency.

@Gunter Severloh your RAM (F4-3600C17Q-32GVK) is well above average and performs decently. It greatly helps to unleash your CPU power - no worries here.

@Gunter Severloh well, I see it says up to 3600 MHz and most probably only for 16 GB and with not very tight timings. But you can always try to select the XMP profile in the BIOS to see if it works with your 32 GB. Otherwise you select XMP profile in the BIOS, you apply it all and exit the BIOS and return to BIOS again, before it boots into Windows and you leave everything like it's set by XMP profile, but you change the frequency from 3600 to 3500 MHz. It will still be better than 3200 MHz.

@Gunter Severloh so your RAM is 3600 CL17 and your motherboard as well as the CPU fully support it. Go inside the BIOS of your motherboard and select/enable XMP profile of your RAM and that's it.

@Gunter Severloh what is the exact RAM model you have and motherboard model?

Yes, RAM not only can but really does bottleneck in your case, since on Ryzen CPUs the communication between cores happens using RAM and the slower the RAM, the slower gets data shared/transmited between/to cores. Also with slow RAM (slower than 3600 MHz), you slow down the CPU and thus you slow down as well the GPU, since the GPU is waiting for data from the CPU to build/show frames/pictures, but the CPU can deliver this data on time, because it's still wating for RAM. You won't be able to overclock your 3000 MHz RAM to 3600 MHz. Better you buy some good quality but still very accessible 3600 MHz 16-18-18-38 RAM from Crucial and better be it 32 GB, since 16 GB nowadays is slowly but surely almost like 8 GB before. https://geizhals.de/crucial-ballistix-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-bl2k16g36c16u4b-a2222375.html Otherwise here you have same RAM, but just 16 GB, in case 32 GB of it is too expensive for you. https://geizhals.de/crucial-ballistix-schwarz-dimm-kit-16gb-bl2k8g36c16u4b-a2222472.html I hope you have enabled XMP profile in the BIOS of your motherboard for your current RAM sticks so they work at rated 3000 MHz.

Have bought 2x16 GB 3800 MHz 14-16-16-36 XMP 1.5 V and now waiting for Intel to release their new CPUs on completely new architecture since Skylake (2015), to see if I buy this or still Ryzen 5000. Will see if I can do 4266 MHz 16-16-16-36 or 4000 MHz 15-15-15-35 or 3800 MHz 14-14-14-34/14-14-15-34/14-15-15-34 Arma will like it for sure!

Not mentioned if 61 FPS is min, avg or max, screen resolution, video settings used, if any other programs were running in the background (browser, antivirus etc) during YAAB run(s) and if this FPS is after only 1 or more runs, after fresh computer start or after computer being on for some time, with a lot of other stuff running (even if processes killed before YAAB). All of this may impact the result(s) noticablely. Also possible CMA malloc wasn't working, because only selecting it as malloc to use is not enough for it to work.

Considerable FPS boost in Arma with Ryzen 5000X and 3600 MHz RAM, depending from which platform you're switching to Zen 3. Smart Access Memory feature enabled needs to be tested specifically in Arma. Haven't seen anybody so fare testing it specifically in Arma.

i7-11700K: 16 threads | 4.6 GHz all cores boost | 5.0 GHz single core | 16 MB L3 cache i9-11900K: 16 threads | 4.8 GHz all cores boost | 5.3 GHz single core | 16 MB L3 cache Kinda like i9-10900K and i9-10850K. Intel shouldn't have used i9 designation this time around. Should have been both i7, since same number of threads.

i7-11700K and even more so i9-11900K outperform any of Ryzen 5000 in single-thread and outperform R7 5800X in multi-thread, since all are 8 cores and 16 threads, and this is despite same 16 BM L3 cache. No need for a lot of L3 cache. AMD needs it only to compensate for chiplets design and slow Infinity Fabric. PCI-E 4.0 is supported only by the CPU (16 + 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes), so PCI-E 4.0 is only for one M.2 slot, like on AMD B550 boards. But this is more than enough for most average users, for Windows and games. Chipset PCI-E 3.0 with 4000 speed is more than enough for ordinary files like pics, movies or gameplay recordings. The only question is the price. Intel can also be overclocked, unlike AMD, where a high boost is only for one or a couple of cores, and when load on all cores, the frequency is immediately significantly lower. And if you manually OC all AMD cores, then the frequency does not reach the one to which individual cores can boost. On Intel, by default, the frequency with load on all cores is also lower, but all Intel cores can be OC'ed not only to the default maximum frequency of one core, but even higher! And RAM can go higher than 3800-4000 MHz and there is no shitty Infinity Fabric and monolithic die design is simply better - lower latencies and more efficient Intel ring bus. Power draw in Windows and games is more than fine. Of course, it's "only" 16 threads, but for most users and games it's way more than enough. Even recording/streaming or compiling/rendering is more than just fine on 16 threads. It's just that now that there are 24 and 32 threads for us mortals, it leads most people to believe that 16 threads is not much/enough, which is of course not the case at all + it makes a lot of people spend more money than they would have otherwise and drives prices up, be it AMD or Intel. I was already pissed that all cores frequency on Ryzen 5000 CPUs (when OC'ed) can't reach default single core frequency, not even talking about all cores going higher than single core default frequency, like Intel CPUs always could and still do, when OC'ed. Finally with good OC and RAM it will be possible to reach 60 FPS min in YAAB 1080p standard. Just that for the moment i9 will not be more cores, but only higher frequency vs. i7, something like i7-2700K/4790K were vs. i7-2600K/4770K. Well, it's not only higher stock frequency. It means that i9 will need lower or same voltage for higher frequency than i7 for lower frequency at higher voltage = lower temp and power draw = i9 slightly better chip for much more money (milking). So basically Intel IPC is slightly higher than AMD, since in synthetics i7-11700K @ 5.0 GHz stock single core boost is 8% better than ~5.0 GHz stock single core boost R9 5950X. On R7 5800X 4.8 GHz all cores stress test stable is not always possible vs. Intel no problem all cores reaching single core boost of 5.0 GHz and even more, like 5.1 or 5.2 GHz. i9-11900K will of course have higher than 5.0 GHz single core boost of i7-11700K. Arma will approve! Oh... and imagine all cores scores and performance of Intel, when you OC it to 5.1-5.2 GHz vs. R7 5800X "only" 4.8 GHz all cores and slightly lower IPC than Intel at same frequency.

So 11th gen Intel CPUs will have PCI-E 4.0 only from the CPU, 4x (20 lanes in total). Chipset will be PCI-E 3.0. Same as AMD B550 boards.

Well, Intel 11th gen will have max 16 threads, with TDP of 20 threads i9-10900K and PCI-E 4.0 (Z570/590?). I might still buy it, despite the TDP and same 14 nm process, because there is no Infinity Fabric (monolithic die) = better RAM rsponsiveness and not depending on RAM bandwidth and responsiveness + it will be a completely new architecture, finally. Rocket Lake will also finally have a upgraded iGPU, DX12 and more powerful, in case you've sold your GPU and the new one is still not available or your GPU is dead and you're waiting for a replacement or you don't immediately have money for a new one. Oh and also 20 PCI-E 4.0 lanes and not only 16 lanes, so you have 4 lanes directly from the CPU for your PCI-E 4.0 M.2 SSD, like Ryzen 3000/5000.

make it as your main PC then ))) move your SSDs and your GTX 1060 6GB to it ) 3600 MHz 16-18-18 RAM is a very very good choice, since it's much cheaper than 3600 MHz 14-15-15 or 16-16-16 and the performance is almost the same, in Arma. The problem with GTX 970 is its vRAM. It physically has 4 GB of it, but actually one should say it's 3.5 GB, since the other 512 MB are separate and much slower than the other 3.5 GB + 3.5 GB is not the real size, like it's also not real when you say 8 or 16 GB or 1 TB disc drive, since in reality it's less.

not similar at all. and you don't take into account that it needs better motherboard and cooler and temp and power draw are higher.

Ryzen 5000 are the best now. And single core performance gains in Arma are not only mesurable, but can also be noticed, even if FPS is not displayed.

It has only 4 layers PCB (copper), memory OC is very poor to non-existant, mediocre sound, mediocre VRM and VRM cooling, no cooling for M.2 SSD. If you buy 1 TB M.2 SSD, using only the 1st M.2 SSD slot, that uses PCI-E 4.0 (up to 8000 MB/s read/write), should be enough. This is where you will have your Windows and games installed. If for some reason, the main 1 TB PCI-E 4.0 M.2 SSD is not enough, you can use the 2nd M.2 SSD slot. It will operate at PCI-E 3.0 only (up to 4000 MB/s read/write), but it's more than over the top for files like music, videos, pictures and even games.

5800X, but you need to wait like until the biginning of the next year for prices to come down a little. Mainboard less than 200€ and 32 GB of very good RAM also less than 200€.

You definitely will notice FPS increase, like 5 FPS if you get exactly this RAM kit: 2x8 GB: https://geizhals.de/crucial-ballistix-schwarz-dimm-kit-16gb-bl2k8g36c16u4b-a2222472.html 2X16 GB: https://geizhals.de/crucial-ballistix-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-bl2k16g36c16u4b-a2222375.html

R7 5800X is pretty expensive, even if it was sold at the price recommended by AMD. I've never bought a CPU before for such a high price. But 5600X is not an option, because I don't want to be forced to build a completely new PC several years earlier and spending another 1000€ or more, several years earlier, just because of the number of threads. I feared I've made the wrong choice when I bought my i7-4790K instead of i5-4690K, but it turned out to be the right decision, considering I still have it today and it still performs relatively well.

I will most probably buy this same Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro (AC) board and Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz 16-18-18-38 RAM for R7 5800X, in the summer, because of $$$.

@Valken buy 32 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz 16-18-18-38 (BL2K16G36C16U4B) and you won't regret.

@Valken Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz 16-18-18-38 is also really really good: 2x8 GB: https://geizhals.de/crucial-ballistix-schwarz-dimm-kit-16gb-bl2k8g36c16u4b-a2222472.html 2X16 GB: https://geizhals.de/crucial-ballistix-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-bl2k16g36c16u4b-a2222375.html It's just few % behind Samsung B-Die. It's Micron E-Die. And 3600 MHz 16-18-18-38 is really good already.

@Valken see if you can find one of these: https://geizhals.de/g-skill-trident-z-schwarz-weiss-dimm-kit-16gb-f4-3200c14d-16gtzkw-a1464588.html https://geizhals.de/g-skill-trident-z-silber-schwarz-dimm-kit-16gb-f4-3200c14d-16gtzsk-a1464600.html