Nagual

ROFL Placebo . Â You want no part of this at all do you . I agree the Insurgency campaign was not the greatest ever, but remember, the same guy (Nagual) made the island, campaign, and tons of objects for it. Â He did a ton of work, so I can't blame him for rushing the campaign a bit. Â I know one of the BAS Tonal-Tango patches fixed a bunch of campaign problems, so check ofp.info for them (I THINK it was patch #1). No... ebud (mostly) + selectthis did almost all of the objects. Haha, first time i come here in 6mths or so and i see this. Sorry to burst ya bubble there blackdog, but i did make an awful lot of objects, bridges, palms, houses, airport, rebels stuff, and fiddled with virtually every model in the island addon, had ta get off my ass and learn modelling to do so, so i think i remember. Ebud did make some models and texture most of them, and ST did help with some stuff, and dont forget evis with most of those little white houses. Maybe your getting confused with the opfor?

Hmm, the sticking point for me is not model theft, mp cheating ect, blah blah. It is that snake man and co decided they know better than everyone in regards to how every single addon should be managed. I can only speak for my own experience, and that is: This tool has removed some of my rights and freedoms, choices, as to how my project is managed. Snake man and co are so smart and i expect ego driven that they made that decision for me, i could even say they took something without permission. I dont need them to decide for me, i didnt ask them to, but they did, IMPOSING their will over something that i earned the right to manage. That just my experience. The "community" supports this, so essentially are saying "we will accept this intial act of taking without permission, but will police any further acts", lol, yeah right. Thats why i think trusting the community is a joke, whats next i wonder. And i would still like to know if they have any probs posting all their source code, i mean they are happy to give a free ticket to everyone elses source, so why not their own work i wonder? What a great answer that would be.

Ya know ya got me wondering bobcatt, if the WRPtool team would post all the source code of all their tools for download, and if not, why not? hehe

Hehe, my sentimonies exactly. I know from the tonal release that "permission" really means very little to peeps. And credit, lol, credit in the readme? the thing nobody reads?, lol. Anyhoo, in every one of these threads where peeps drop in to say "addon makers take it too serious" there is always an abundance of quite simply un-qualified remarks. If those very peeps went and spent 100hrs+ or even 1000hrs+ on an ofp project then they would qualify to say why some addon-makers might feel certain ways. It's so much easier to say "why care?" than spend eternity on a project and then involuntarily care as the addon makers "baby" enters the world. I imagine many makers "babies" will grow up to be whores these days (eg, everyones had a go at 'em). Anyhoo, i will keep making stuff for sure, as i enjoy it. Though i will not release anything anymore, not so some wanker with no respect can hack it all in 5 mins. Trusting the community, lol thats a good one

Yeah, im sure there was, though it really doesn't matter. It wasn't a big deal then and isn't a big deal now, i was simply using that as an example to illustrate a point, nothing more. And shinraiden, you are correct, there was/is plans to finish the tonal island/pack. I read this thread while taking a break from working on the buildings. But over time what was once a rich source of creative inspiration has become something cheap, so it will never be finished to the level of the original vision me thinks.

That's a very good point Pathy, often way overlooked... Ya know a funny thing about the "tonal object case", and prolly a little know fact, is that once upon a time when "the lost isle" was small and based on BIS objects only, we asked the nomad mod if their building objects could be used. I didn't ask directly, someone in BAS who knew CAT asked, the first response was positive but in the end there was no definitive answer. So in the end Tonal objects were developed, making way more stuff than we ever expected. Developing new content for the game was a much better option than holding any bitterness over objects or whining on forums. So did the lack of co-operation between two teams in this case stifle development? or was it counter-productive? Hehe, nup. In the end it was good for the End Users, something new. Just something to keep in mind in this discussion, that totally open source isn't always productive. just my 2 cents.

Lol, too predictable, i was waiting for your personal attacks. Funny, that i know for sure you didn't send me that reply, must of been someone else you dealt with. And your PM : "Dude, that was totally pathetic, dont slander me on the forums... Im honorable, and i wouldnt stoop to a level to that of which you speek. Infact that really fucking pissed me off, because as soon as i heard how childish you guys were being by putting a verbal hold on community released items, I immediatly stopped using them and asked permission. so dont fuck with me, im a good man... and you are a complete asshole." Well, it speaks voulmes about character, and the community in general.

That sounds like a very good idea hellfish, the excellent WRPTool would make it very possible. Also you might want to check out .PSO files in visitor. Basically, select a group of objects (like an entire town), then in one of the top menus "save object(s)". It saves your selection as a .PSO file, which you can later "load objects" on any point of the map (using the buldozer cursor as center point), perfectly replicating things. The only limit ive seen is only being able to load the PSO in the project file/map it was created in, but there is prolly work arounds.

Then no one has a need to cooperate if they don't. Is that right? How are they different? Sure they make good stuff, there are plenty of others who do. As far as being refused to use Tonal vegetation there is no legal right behind it. It's a matter of integrity and decency. If you are decent enough to ask that's a good thing. Legally there is no right to refusal. It's a matter of respect but I can't quite understand anyone refusing the use of trees?!? If so why release such good addons? It should be open to the community. I can say if anyone wants to use our stuff in their mods go ahead. I'll even send the unbinned models if you are a reputable working and producing mod. If we can save some work for others then good. uhh, dont really feel like biting today, not here, but a nibble; Drow, i cant really remember, were you from the team that ? *Said we took too long to decide, so they said they will use them anway... or *had a team member email the same day as the "mod leader" saying "the leader doesnt respect your work or wishes and is already using the stuff..." or *sent viruses as a way saying "thanks for the addon" or *the person who wanted to put a FEW plants in an addon with the same FILENAME as tonal and release it.... To be honest, something that amuses me, is i reckon i have thought about the plant/veg stuff the LEAST, especially after reading this thread. It didnt take long for me to forget about that funny thing, something about the way real life can be at times all consuming. But, the few times i have thought about in the past 2-3 months, i have come here to post a "free for all" on the bloody objects (unfinshed objects btw, lol), but every time (about 3) i only had to read a couple of threads to see the anger and plain bitchin still running all over this forum. It only took no time, each time, for me to forget all about it. Anyway, dinger, lol, keep up those long posts, pretty good reads.

And rpgs , Ak's ect, even here in oz. The aussie police don't mind being the ones to start the riot either ;) Heres a funny pic that might help with ideas : Cant be good Sounds like a good addon, looking forward to it Â

Just checked it out on tonal, no map lag at all, amazing to say the least. Thanks BIS ;)

Cool, best news i've heard all week.

mmm, faith, sounds great, as long as it isn't blind. Each to his own as they say...

Yeah religions tend to be whacky, but are usually intertwined with metaphysics. Every metaphysics path ive ever looked into has deliberate, inbuilt and ingenious "contradictions" designed to make their students stretch or break their current way of thinking, and keep outsiders out, which they do exceptionally well at. The outsiders will use the contradiction to prop up their current worldview (usually "that religion sucks') and eventually leave it alone in their smug-ness. Acecombat dude, theres no use getting worked up about any of this, peeps will believe what they want, which is fair enough. Keep in mind the only true knowledge comes from direct experience, actual real perception, and i very much doubt all this angel stuff is coming from such a source, and sounds like a weave of book-smarts (eg, the thing that huffs and puffs and pretends to be true knowledge).

lol, Here's a pic of a beautiful old-school superbike im picking up in a few weeks. Gonna be alot of fun: Slingshot