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Flamebaiting? Â If you didn't have anything relevant to say you probably shouldn't of posted at all. And no, no matter what you say they are, your views on terrorism are readilly apparent to me. Â Frankly I don't even want to read what you've got to say on this subject. Â As a matter of fact, I think I'll stop. I'd agree that it is self-explanatory if I didn't think I'd find people on this forum who condone the actions of terrorists. That's why I said I thought the blame was half and half. Â Hizbullah shouldn't of started the fight, Israel shouldn't of finished it the way they did. Â Besides, both of your points can be applied to Hizbullah just as readilly as they can the Israeli forces. Â Half and half. And I certainly don't think these terrorists are desperate. Â I'm sure they could, and have in the past, find all sorts of support from other nations who share their political objectives. Maybe it was a heat-of-the-moment decision, or an inexperienced commander, or just a bad call. Â I just hope everybody can learn from what happened and that it won't happen again. Â I think I'm done arguing this. Â I've made my point and I think that most people (the ones that can produce any kind of argument anyway) agree with me.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Â You're criticising Israel for accidentally killing/wounding civilians. Â Yet when Hizbullah does it on purpose you don't criticise them at all. Â Yeah, you mentioned it, and that's just about it. Â You're looking the other way. Â You didn't scold them for it, you didn't even mention that you disagreed with their policy of doing that. Â All you did was mention that it happened. Â That's what I call looking the other way. Â On an internet forum criticising is just about all we can do about it, and you're not even willing to do that. Yep, that's my point. Â Terrorism is bad, as are terrorists. Â And when they attack innocent civilians I think something should be done about it. Â Since we're on an internet forum, there's not much we can do about it other than post how awful it is that people would do such a thing. Â You, on the other hand, apparently think simply mentioning that it happened is enough. We should probably just shut up about every topic on here until the people that we're talking about show up on the operation flashpoint offtopic forums, eh? How about this: you sit tight and wait for someone from Hizbullah to show up before you make another post on the subject. Â I'll let you know if I see them.

Picking a fight? Â Maybe I should say what I already said one more time. Â Want it in bigger letters? Â This isn't even important, I can't believe I'm arguing with you about this. I wasn't comparing them with anybody, never said I was. Â I was saying what they did was irresponsible and morally wrong. Â It was, no matter who you compare it to. So why do you look the other way when Hizbullah intentionally targets civilians? Â You obviously find it as offensive as most normal people do when there are civilian casualties in an armed conflict, at least when certain countrys do it anyway. Â Double standard maybe?

Does Hizbullah apologize for intentionally blowing up a cafe full of civilians? Â They do it so much they must of been fed up with apologizing for it a long time ago. Why don't some people care when Hizbullah targets civilians, but they throw a fit when Israel accidentally kills/injures civilians while trying to attack Hizbullah?

I had hoped my smiley would tell everyone that I was joking. Â I'm not worried about 13 year old mustard gas shells being fired from a cannon. Â And yeah, I'm pretty sure if you put a grenade on top of an artillery shell it probably wouldn't set it off. I bet they could take the chemicals out of the shells though. Â And then I bet they could put them in a bomb and set it off or hell, even a "water" balloon and throw it out of a light airplane. Â That would be more than enough to cause mass panic and hysteria in the US. Â Might not kill very many people, but they got our alert level up to red again. My point is, 13 year old mustard gas shells are useless to an army trying to use them on another army (or anybody for that matter). Â But give them to a terrorist and you can be pretty sure they'll come up with some use for them. Â It might not be a full scale chemical war, but I'm sure they could attack us with it in one way or another.

I wasn't trying to compare them, just trying to judge them equally. Â Kind of hard to do when they're playing by different rules though. Â Hizbullah wants to be treated like they're an army in a war, they're really just a band of terrorists with lots of explosives and kids to strap them to. But I agree, the Israeli forces could definately of waited for another, safer, opportunity to strike, or maybe done something less dangerous. On the other hand, it's certainly not my place to judge the combat actions of a seasoned force like the Israelis. Â Both are partially at fault in the end. Â It was an unfortunate incident and hopefully the Israelis will learn from it. Â Unfortunately Hizbullah (wasn't is hezbollah a while ago?) will probably see how much flak the Israelis will get for this and try to instigate a repeat incident.

Looks very apocalyptish, I like it. ... is he giving me the finger though?

Exactly. Â Whether it's actually deadly or not, I think people will still be worried when the hear the term "mustard gas" or "sarin" in the first place. Most people probably think it's more deadly now that it's been sitting around for 13+ years. Â After all, mustard goes bad if you leave it out for too long, wouldn't mustard gas go even worse? Â Besides, just because it's old now, does that mean that evildoers can't use it to make an improvised dirty bomb? Â Or maybe even "renew" it? Â Just asking, I don't really know. Â IIRC, the ammunition that they're talking about is the kind fired from artillery pieces. Â Are terrorists going to smuggle artillery pieces through customs? Â Or could they put a grenade inside a bunch of the stuff, wrap it up, and put it in times square?

Where is the news in this ? It was known that those "weapons" were still there. If you call ammo, dug in and leaking their content into soil weapons. I name it toxic waste and the UN reported those degraded ammo way back. What's the news in that statement? Â Not much. But this is news to me. Â And it looks like it's news to a lot of the media and a lot of other people too. At least that's what they're acting like anyway.

So we should praise TBA for having willingly sacrified its reputation for Freedom, Democraty and Truth, thus allowing France to hide the fact that we took this opportunity to get rid for free (even earning money instead of spending some) of our WW1 chemical weapons to Irak, as we sold them, just before OIF, Roland SAM Missiles. Wait... world war one happend in 1993? I'm sure TBA had a reason to not announce this as soon as it was declassified. We'll just have to wait and see what it turns out to be I guess.

A big deal out of what?It`s an emberassing discovery even by TBAs standard. Put this pathetic finds into the context of a 45 minutes threat and campaign to aquire nuclear capability claims. Right now the best thing Bush can do is make no mention,no deal out of WMDs. You're probably right. Â I just figured that the words "mustard gas" and "sarin" are more than enough to convince the general public to support the war, or vote republican. Â Being a Bush supporter I hate to say it but... maybe he hasn't read the report yet. And maybe he is planning to use it eventually. Â It's just now getting media attention. Â Unless it has before, and I just hadn't heard of it. Â Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Sweet! You're a skyhawk driver? I've got about 100some hours in those beautiful birds. I'd definately like to see that work if you'd like to show it.

Sure that'd be great! Ever think of doing a Cessna 172?

Found this on fazed a few weeks back. On tools new CD there's two tracks that go together (Viginti Tres and wings for marie), and an ambience track later on in the album that doesn't seem to be related to anything (10,000 days). Â Somebody looked a little closer and found out that if you play Viginti Tres and Wings for Marie back-to-back, with 10,000 days in the background, you get another song. It's really nothing big, since Viginti Tres and Wings for Marie go together anway, and 10,000 days is mostly ambience in the first place. Â But they do synch up really nicely, I like how it sounds. Anyway here's the link to a better explanation. Â And to the actual song. edit - Oh, and no quips about me being a tool fan, I don't think I've pissed anybody off since I've been back... yet

That's some really great stuff you've got there supah. Got a website for that or something? You should definately look into doing that professionally. I've seen some high-quality stuff like that on sale for hundreds of dollars.