Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX

As you conveniently side step the main point of that quote, which was that jesus threatened to kill people, with a sword, if, say, a mother loved her child more than him.  Not 'if she didn't love Jesus' - if she loved someone SLIGHTLY MORE THAN him. Ohhhh no he isnt.  Your interpretation is wrong* Which includes such nifty things as slitting open the stomachs of pregnant women, sacrificing your own children, rules governing and condoning slavery, laws stating that rape victims could be bought by the rapist for a pittance, laws banning women from [speaking in church, holding public official jobs, teaching etc], promising rewards for those who kill handicapped people (2 sam 5;8, in case you think I'm making that up) and a lot more things equally bad.  The 'Will of God' you refer to was as inhuman as it was evil and barbaric.  The Old Testament is full of disgusting, evil acts, which is why Xians normally make such a song and dance about how Jesus changed some of the rules. He went round to every single house and showed them did he?  Every single child lying in a crib, too young to walk, talk or understand anything, every single bed ridden cripple was shown?  In the couple of days he was there?All those people were innocent and were killed for spite (in the story, as it didn't really happen) This was simply an example of biblical cruelty.  And it stands. If you have to be motivated by fear to be a moral person, there is something seriously wrong with you.  Get help, please. 'Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him.' That is child cruelty, plain and simple.  Its evil and its disgusting. [quoteThis is the same incident than in Matthew 15:4-7 And its similarly wrong and evil. In your opinion/ interpretation it is.  In others it is not.  I thought that this book was simple and easy to understand (your words.)  You are contradicting yourself. (again) [quoteJesus didn't put the devils in the pigs. The devils prayed him to let them go in to the pigs. So you're saying that devils can tell jesus what to do now? Yet more examples of your interpretation diverging from others, proving the point of my post  - that anyone can make their own interpretation. Yes he did.  Once again, you are ignoring the point and trying to divert attention with squabbling over ambiguous words. Ahh the christian solution to everything: 'thats out of context'.  I have read it.  I think its completely in context.  More examples of selective interpretation. no, I think I'll wait for you to answer these ones correctly first. *I am aware of the irony of what I just said, that was the whole point of that line.  I was going to leave it at that but undoubtedly someone who cant read would think I was being hypocritical.  the point is that he is dismissing everyone elses interpretations and proclaiming that his is the only correct one.

Wrong.  All facets of the universe are linked in some way.  It is not possible to manipulate mass without manipulating gravity, without in turn changing energy, etc etc ; all things are interconnected by the basic laws of physics.  If something is changed it WILL show up, and it does not.  One might argue on philosophical grounds that a god whose interference with the universe appears exactly the same as no interference at all is an unessesary entitity and should be removed by Ooccam's Razor.  In other words, what good is a god that does nothing? You are assuming that there even is a 'why' question.  Mistake.  Just because our primitive animal brains are scared of the immensity of the cosmos does not mean that there must be an invisible fairy in the sky. I think you'll find, however, that physics has already answered that question: because two bodies which have mass exert a force on each other.  It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. I've said it before, and I shall reiterate: Religions are *NOT* theories, nor hypotheses. Sack whooever taught you science.  Rubbish.  I'm not dignifying that with a response. Also, science does not pretend to have all the answers.  Not knowing with 100% certainty exactly how the universe came into being does not mean that 'GAWD DID IT' is any more plausible. There are currently hundreds of experiments going on around the world researching the formation of the universe.  You are simply wrong here.  From temperature plotting of ancient stars and interstellar space to the analysis of  the composition of stars and stellar phenomena, there is evidence which is being experimented with.

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Our senses percieve the universe in a way which is both the same for everyone and consistent. Our instruments verify this. If individuals were being manipulated, or basic physical laws were being manipulated, this would show up as differences in observations and results of tests. It doesn't. The mistake you are using is confusing the mathematical definition of proof with the common usage: its impossible to 'prove mathmetically' anything except maths and some physics. Its possible to 'prove beyond reasonable doubt' anything which has sufficient evidence. watch meThen you're no better than the serial killers themselves

Its not like I'm going to come to your house and kill you. Your beliefs are simply stupid and useless. Much like why you don't respect the beliefs of psychopathic serial killers that they should be able to kill whooever they want, I don't respect similarly insane and hateful beliefs.

AFAIK you can't back up anything like that with quotes from Jesus. As I said in my previous post, today you can go and check if that's what Jesus teached. Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.†Matthew 10:34 Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 11:34 Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Matthew 10:21 Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17 Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20 Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God.(The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15 The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.†Revelations 19:20-21 Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.†Matthew 15:4-7 Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9 Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. Mark 4:25 Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. Mark 5:12-13 Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was retarded enough to do something this silly. You’d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don’t bear fruit in dry season. Mark 11:13 Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves. I have more.

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Which is different from how christians live now how? If you are trying to say that only you know how to interpret the book and everyone else is wrong, you're just deluded. If you can interpret the book any way you like it loses ALL worth. By the way, they would say that YOU are not living by what the bible says. Thats the 'beauty' of the bible, its so ambiguous and vague and self contradictory it can be (and has been) used to justify genocide, slavery, treating women as second class citizens, racism, homophobia, torture and other unspeakable cruelties. These are all backed up by quotes from the bible (and not just from the OT). *You* don't get to call everyone else that has different interpretations of the bible wrong, they are no more wrong and no less christians than you.

That sure isn't chrisianity you're speaking about. It never has and it never will affect science in anyway. Read the 10 Commandments (or whatever you call them in english) Don't you think that living by them would make the world a better place? Ever hear of a chap called Gallileo? There was a time when everyone lived by the bible... it was known as the Dark Ages and was one of the worst periods in human history.

Religion is a huge drag weight on humankind. It leads to division, hatred and intolerance. It impedes scientific progress that could make the world a better place for all. It causes innocents to suffer and is completely unnessesary. Yes you can. Watch me. Thats a handy little get out of jail free card, isn't it. Not at all what you'd expect as an excuse made up by the fake holyman who doesn't want his gravy train to stop :rolleyes: There is at least a possibility of extraterrestrial life. Religions are simply lies. Look at it this way: If a guy was wandering about the streets hallucinating that everyone else around him was a giraffe with knives for teeth that were trying to kill him -and was attempting to kill them - would you say that man's beliefs were a) wrong b) harmful? So whats so different about an irrational belief that is if anything more insane?

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Anyone that believes or follows a philosophy just because their parents did so is a fool. Â I don't listen to fools. And he's obviously talking nonsense because anyone with even high school level education can find hundreds of contradictions in the bible. That is pure propoganda.

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Is it insulting if its true? I didn't mean to be offensive- there simply is no such proof that he is talking about, so he is making it up. Point taken though.

Show me this proof. Liar. ;)

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Sources for these 'answers'? There is no evidence for any gods and the events in the bible simply did not happen. Â Historical records and archaeological digs concur. *edit* I appreciate your point, but the fact it that I'm not the one making the assertion, religion is. They say 'this this and this happened, because we say so' and I'm saying 'evidence- without evidence your claim has no merit'

God doesn't exist and the bible is made up fairy stories. Sources for these 'answers'?

religions answers no questions at all. It does, it just doesn't answer them in a way satisfactory to you. As FS pointed out, the answers are fairly straight forward, which is (in my opinion) a very attractive aspect of religion. All you need to accept these answers is faith, which some have the capacity for, and others don't. You and I don't, others do. Pretty simple. And depending on how you interpret faith , this can translate to a rather entertaining commentary on the credulity of humanity in general. Those are *not* answers. Replying to a question with 5 more questions is not an answer. Name 1 answer any religion has that is (a) demonstrably correct and (b) not open to interpretation (read- can mean anything you want it to)

Not without raising more questions than it solves, and not by answering those questions in a meaningful/ userful way. Who created god? Â Why? Â Why did god create the world? Â Which god? Â Why that god and not another god? Why? Â Who gets to go? Â What is this place like? Â Where is it? Â So if I lead a completely sin free, blameless life, but it was on some isolated island and I never heard of Jesus (and never had that 'opportunity') -I'd go to hell? Â forever? Â You think this a good ethos? Â Millions of people who follow the same religion as you disagree on these points, who is right? Â They all have the same amount of evidence on their side (ie none). Â matter of fact, all religions claim the others are wrong, how can you tell which is right? Â Most people simply go with the religion they were brought up with. Â How in Zeus's butthole can that possibly be a guide to whats right? very very very ambiguously, not enough to be an answer. You'd just get more wrong as time goes on.

religions answers no questions at all.

There are book about them too. I recommend 'The Shooting Gallery' by Gaz Hunter.

So how do you manage to think that science is just guesswork, when you just admitted that its basically experimentation to establish the facts? You are not making sense. It's not a guess, its a hypothesis - an idea which appears to fit the facts and is testable. A guess is just a random idea with nothing to back it up. You're switching terms round left and right here; first you dignify the nonsense that is religion by denoting it 'hypothesis,' then you denigrate true hypotheses. Wrong. Everybody would like to believe that there is some benevolent force looking out for us, that we don't just fade away when we die, etc; but some people are intelectually honest enough to realise that thats just wishful thinking.

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1) Wrong 2) Wrong 3) wrong 4) wrong. Seriously, I don't think you understand science at all.