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ThudBlunderQ8 - thanks for your comments. That's exactly what I was hoping for, an evaluation from someone like yourself with plenty of RL experience. I suppose I've come to expect so much from Ofp that I lost sight of the limitations of the game engine. It has been amazing over the years, and all the addon makers have been fantastic. The responses from all of the guyys made me really think, to the extent that I'm now spending time flying helis in FS2004 (using VATSIM and www.hovercontrol.com) and X-Plane 8.0. I'll still be enjoying Ofp (including the helis), but I'll accept the limitations and just get on with slotting the bad guys. Â

Haven't tried either yet C_M, but hope to this weekend - very busy with work at the moment. Cat 1.2 will be a great testing area... Rats404

@USSRSniper - I'll quote myself - Of course I don't expect it to handle like an MH-6 -  @Combat_medic  - As i said at the start of the topic... - feedback, not criticism. I'm a big believer that if you don't like an addon, don't use it. But how will we ever move forwards if addon makers don't get feedback from users? That's the way software development should work. I'm always very grateful for any work that's done by the community in spending many hours learning the tools and then producing the amazing gifts we see released every day. On reflection, the terms "Good, Bad and Ugly" were poorly chosen as this is a euphemism with a subtly different meaning which may not be understood by those for whom English is not their first language. For that I apologise profusely to all. Lets call them fantastic, great and good instead, so I don't get anyone blowing a gasket. if I don't mention a helicopter, I either don't like it or haven't used it. Limited flying the R-22, Jetranger, Single Squirrel as PIC, and many many hours in the military flying in A109, Gazelle, Lynx, Puma, Chinook, CH-53 as front seater or talking baggage. I'm also a qualified (but relatively low hours) Fixed wing pilot. Not as much as I would have liked - but I've just done a small job for AG-Smith on the new 1.2 afghan map and recently helped a little with another addon. @Somebloke - NH90 - I've just downloaded it, and will give it a try - thanks. Peace and love - back the realities of life :-) Rats404

I must have missed the latest versions of the Frenchpoint Helicopters before , because I checked and downloaded the most current versions - they are superb - I take back my earlier comments. They are a fantastic piece of work. Really nice scripting and textures too. A class act. So I guess the thread has at least been useful in bringing them to my attention - thanks guys. Rats404

Just use a trigger, they're under the different types of sounds Cat Morning Azan etc.

Magnificent Job, Ag_Smith - take the rest of the week off :-) Absolute pleasure to help in my small way, and respect to all those who helped in much more substantial ways. Mirrors CAT_Afghanistan_Revisited_1.2.rar CAT_Afghanistan_Revisited_1.2SE.rar Rats404 Â

I gotta d/l the Frenchpoint Gazelle again, I must be trying a different version... Rats404

@Jinef - I know what you mean (fly FS2004 and X-plane 8), but I miss the fun I used to get from Longbow2 - that *was* good fun, but I went back to it about a year ago to see what it was like, and it's way too old now (especially when you look at the Ofp terrain). You can't shoot the snot out of a convoy with x-plane...:;): Rats404

@para-trooper Agreed - but it seems to leap off the ground with the collective - I guess a lot of the problems are related to the limits of Ofp - we're not talking about x-plane after all...  the lynx is my favourite heli model on ofp - Col. Klink (he deserves a promotion) did a great job on it, and I recently asked if he plans to do a clean version (which I spent a lot of time in as talking baggage, back when dinosaurs walked the earth). @FireflyPL - Just tried the OFrp Puma and Gazelle - Malvinas  Mod versions have a better flight model I think - their Sea King is quite good too - but I get awful sound problems with it. Not having won the lottery yet, I can only wonder if the VBS heli's are any better - probably not I'd guess, as the tool is designed for small unit tactics training, not trainng flight crews...

@FireflyPL - Off to try them right now... Rats404

Having been trying the latest pre-release of AGS_revisited_Cat_afghanistan, I've realised what a huge difference really good quality sound samples makes in Ofp. Therefore, I thought this might be a useful resource for those talented and hard working individuals like Col Klink, Preparation H and all the others who are providing us with heli's in Ofp. http://www.thelz.com/MGsounds.html contains 13 fantastic  freeware real sound packs for different helicopters (including the Lynx) originally for FS2004 by Manuel Gonzales They are zipped packs, and so you can sample just how good they are, I've setup a page with explanations and the sounds for the Lynx sound pack at http://www.rallyrider.tv/ofp/supersound.htm I'd suggest you email Manuel at mg@thelz.com to ask permission before using them, and apply the usual credits to him in any readme - please use them (especially Klink on the Lynx...)  Rats 404

@Gatordev - it was indeed that clip - I'm glad I pulled it. As you say, maximum respect to those who risked their lives more than once, and condolences to the family and friends of those Crew members and Force Recon that were lost. @Mr Zig - I really like the BAS littlebirds, enormous fun to fly. Rats404

As far as I'm aware, they were recovered by the rescue boats trailing the main vessel, but I don't want to risk offending anyone - so I'll do as you suggest. Rats404

I know there are a few RL heli crew who visit the forum, so why don't we try to start giving the addon makers co-ordinated feedback to create better heli's for us to fly? My limited experience can only start to point towards the good, the bad and the ugly Good - Architect's UK Puma/Cazadores de Monte Puma - inertia seemes about right Good - Martin's CH-47 Good - BIS MI-8/17 Good - BAS AH-6/MH-6 Bad - Col. Klink's Lynx - my favourite heli in Ofp - but over powered Bad - Prep-H UH1-N - a great model but too delicate - a few 7.62x39 rounds bring it down Ugly - Cazadores de Monte Malvinas A109 - over sensitive Ugly - Nashe Orujie MI-26 - amazing modelling- superb work - absolutely superb - but it just doesn't feel right Ugly - All other BIS Heli's Just my opinion to get the ball rolling. I'm not arrogant enough to believe that my opinion is correct, but I want to stimulate some structured comments from guys like ThudBlunderQ8 so we can tune the flight models to get them as good as possible within the limits of Ofp. oh, forgot to mention http://www.rallyrider.tv/ofp/helicopter_stuff.htm set this up just for a bit of background info. Rats404

@ag_smith - check your PM - i have sounds for you. Rats404