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you're simplifying things here, there are much more saddam supporters than you think

What kind of mine comes in an elongated tube? this "tube" could have been a pole on which the mine would have been fixed http://www.angola.npaid.org/mine_russia_mon_100.htm Not in this video. The guy is dropping something in a case with a handle with some sort of tag dangling off the back. Are you saying the case contains a wooden pole? Doubtful. PM me the link , i haven't watched the video in Fullscreen yet and i've just erased my most recently opened files list from my media player -edit-: with your feline eyes you must have distinguished the various organs scattered on the ground after the HE and HEDP rounds went abblaze .....

What if the nearest ground forces are an hour away? This is a bit silly. This is not a police operation where "come out with your hands up" routine step #1. it's not a police operation, but it should be a peacekeeping operation, a thing the US forces are not too bright at.

shooting the wounded was uncalled for, this is trigger happiness Disgaree. what you don't seem to understand is that these men, the ones that die from coallition's bullets are seen as heroes and martyrs by an evergrowing part of the Iraqi people

What kind of mine comes in an elongated tube? this "tube" could have been a pole on which the mine would have been fixed http://www.angola.npaid.org/mine_russia_mon_100.htm http://tewton.narod.ru/mines/mon-200a.html

Finishing the wounded off was plain and simple execution, period.

i've done quite a lot of missions, more or less related to combat engineering well, 2 peacekeeping missions under UNPROFOR and IFOR in Bosnia Herzegovina as combat engineer + a few other "ŕ cotés" well my personnal experience is more like following the infantry protection troops, doing what i'm told to and go back home along with the protections troops

it's easy but a bit boring and heavy to learn, but in my opinion it's well worth it i don't know how it works in the CAF but here only those who are selected to become ordnance men go through all that

well . they apparently tried to give you familliar food dishes or sensations .....

Explosive effects calculation basics (FAS site) edit : check FAS, it will give you an idea of some of the required knowledges to become ordnance specialist but explosive stuff isn't the only way to go in combat engineers you can build things instead of blowing them up

combat engineers are the way to go mate ....... (btw , Pins our fellow forum member who is or was serving in Iraq is a combat engineer, well he became one recently) yes you have to know some basics in explosive calculations, but that's not all, you get basic building technics, you learn some interesting stuff which couldhelp you for your reconversion as a civilian etc etc, and since combat engineers are generally first line , you get to see the world .. or bits of it at least I was wondering, what sort of calculations does an Combat Engineer regularly use? Do they use alot of heavy math or alot of physics? some calculations can get quite complicated (hard to explain, but for exemple, to know the quantity of explosives for specifical use from the data around .. well that's only when you've some time in hands and are specialised in explosives manipulation (for exemple, the rule of use (effects area) of Plastic explosives follows a deppressive logarythmic rule(french doctrine, the US army for exemple uses a cubic rootof the charge), here is an exemple of security distances based on the aforementionned logarythmic rule : 5 meters for 1 gram of plastrite, 30 meters for 250 grams, 100 meters for 5 kilos) all in all, explosive ordnance specialist function requires some mathematics, chemistry knowledge and over all : know what you're going to detonate not that you'll have to use that often since most of the job is made with preformated explosive charges on a battlefield, but it has to be mastered for the regular qualification and control courses, and civilian ordnance man is a nice job but for this backdoor, you have to get some solid knowledge about your stuff and keep it in your head if you don't want to end up in chopped meat.... now if you become combat engineer specialised in explosive ordnance but are shit in mathematics ... pray for Santa Barabara

That's explanation did not work in the Nürnberg trials. "I was obeying orders." Is no excuse. And I'm sure that you've heard it as many times as I that as a soldier it is your duty to disobey illegal orders. If you mean that I have never picked off defenceless people one by one from a distance, then you are right. If you mean followed orders and fired in combat, then you're wrong. This was not combat and they were not following orders, but they requested to shoot the people down there that posed no threat. So you're saying that you would for instance execute POW:s? Of my now (2004-1997)= 7 years in the military (service,kfor,reserves) I have met very few soldiers who I think would be capable of comitting such war crimes under 'normal' (war) circumstances. And I would 'normal' circumstances never ever give such an order to my men. (I can't guarantee 100% always that I would never ever give such an order because you can construct any number of radical and extreme situation. It is however extremely improbable) if i had to do something like that i'd make it that way so there's no witness, proof or report of my acts and that the few people who know about my acts either completely shut up or cover me i don't have any problem with illegal orders as long as they don't cost me my head or go against my feelings, the nasty job has to be done by someone. i wouldn't kill POW's since this would go against my principes, but this doesn't mean the POW's would be completely safe with me around ..... when in command, i think i would never issue this kind of order, but who knows ...... -edit-: french army has set precedents over this .... Algeria ..... i agree with you that in this case, this was a pure and simple execution

500 is more than enough to do the business

w'e could give you our obsolete free fall atom bombs or some of the retired missiles from the Albion heights ..... Actually I was surprised of the amount of nuclear weapons France has. I did some googling last week and it was about 470 nukes stationed around the world. I thought you had much less of them. hehehe .. that's why it's called a dissuasion force

w'e could give you our obsolete free fall atom bombs or some of the retired missiles from the Albion heights .....

getting shouted at can be nice ... i'm a bit masochist deep inside so .... plus, if you serve long enough you get the occasions to shout at these ill-educated sobs

combat engineers are the way to go mate ....... (btw , Pins our fellow forum member who is or was serving in Iraq is a combat engineer, well he became one recently) yes you have to know some basics in explosive calculations, but that's not all, you get basic building technics, you learn some interesting stuff which couldhelp you for your reconversion as a civilian etc etc, and since combat engineers are generally first line , you get to see the world .. or bits of it at least

old, we've crushed several of these toys' smuggling networks some time ago here....

you don't see combat choppers in the night, you hear them. Gunships when on hunt generally fly all lights shut, you only hear the engines noise and still you can't determine the direction from which the sound comes Who ever said that they saw the chopper? It's fairly clear from the video that they didn't know what was happening or where the shooting came from. agreed here I agree there, the only times i actually shot to kill were for my own defence and in (rare) offensive (assault) operations Did you hear how calm the pilots were? No trace of any emotion or reflection of what they were doing.. I was really disturbed by this video. they're pilots ... they don't get their noses stuck in human guts too often ..... and are trained to be emotionless, emotion is a factor that has no place in a gunship cockpit orders received, beliefs, "what am I going to eat tonight ?" ... when you're trained to, you just don't give a fuck You don't get it because you yet haven't faced a situation were you were behind the screen or the scope. If i get orders, even if they are illegal, if there is nobody to denounce me, if i'm covered by my superior and if i feel what i am doing is right ..... i'll press the button or pull the trigger. Now i now this is wrong, but your conscience simply takes a break at times, and you choose the "easy way". I do not support in any way this kind of behavior, but it exists and such cases do happen now in the case of this incident, the men didn't seem to pose any immediate threat, they didn't look like guerilleros, they didn't seem to be armed, they had absolutely no idea of what was going on as you pointed out before, but this has already been discussed

absolutely nothing ..... hehehe ..... *looks behind him* to make it short, Benito Mussolini would have been proud of berlusconi if he had been his son Berlusconi is not only a popular media figure but also a notorious power-hungry financial criminal who almost hijacked power in Italy he's also renowned for being a dick making Italy look bad (the lastest "incidents" when he was at the EU parliament)

that's partly why our deputies and some GIAT officials were unhappy as I said , the VEXTRA is a VBCI demonstrator (by the way the VBCI drawing i posted is more recent than your second picture , it's been taken before 1997 i think and you'll notice the differences between the actual Vextra 105 or at least the 1997 one and the 2001 drawing)

Hmm I guess Berlusconi has very tight connections to Cosa Nostra, Sacra Corona, Camorra and 'Ndrangheta. He had to watch a close friend and minister of him go to jail for 11 years for his "mafia" connections and tried to avoid that in a very mafiesc way I don´t think he has to fear the mafia, but courts, judges and the italian law especially. well ...... Berlue is a Mafioso, that's for sure..... i hope the judges, advocates and justice administration people will receive some kind of protection ......

http://www.army.mod.uk/careers/logistics/jd_chef.html having had a taste of british culinary art, i'm doubtfull about the existence of this function in the british army .......

get the bastard before the Mafia does ...... It's a victory for Italy, now i hope the judges will take their fate in hands and prove the legend about italian braveness wrong.

the Vehcile in your post is the VEXTRA we've had a real polemic here about the VBCI and the VEXTRA VBCI was, if we believe the rumours based on German specifications and risked to wipe the VEXTRA out (100% french from the basic specifications to the components) VEXTRA which was also said to be a lot less costly than the VBCI as a result, the VEXTRA (only used in it's 105 version) will surely be purchased and should replace the AMX10RC while the VBCI will replace the AMX10P and the VAB these two projects have several common points when it comes to comRA was originally the vehicle which would be useponents but are actually two different vehicles (the VEXTRA was originally the GIAT's answer to the ministery of defence's VBCI specification and GIAT is now working on both projects) (the vextra can be considered as a demonstrator of the VBCI)