Right extremeist le pen wins over jospin

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mora2 @ April 22 2002,16:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">During left government in Spain unemployment reached 30%

now it has been reduced fortunately to the16%...

This is only an example of why the right is still supported..because ppl has more money in their pockets,taxes are fewer and life quality has increased...<span id='postcolor'>

the left has one mayor problem! They are always obliged to rather listen to the unions than to the employers. But unions are enterprises too not humanitarian organisations. Unions live better when employees are unhappy! Unions are out of fashion, the belong into a time when humans were used as machines!

BTW: we had elections yesterday too, but only in one single state! LEft wing lost 15%, right wing (moderate) won 15%, green party lost 2% and liberals won 10%

[Mora2 0]

Ok so we agree that ppl vote what they make them live better....

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I dont know! I just think that there is too much struggle for power right now, I dont know many good politicians in europe. Actually Slivio Berlusconi is the best example of a man horny for more power! A few years ago people were voting left wing because they expected fresh independant and young ideas, but they got the same old farts as from the right wing! I assure you that during the next big elections parties that are small and middlemiddle positioned will win great percentages. In Germany they are called Liberales!

[Shabadu 0]

I'm so sick of politics. Politicians are supposed to act in the interest of the nation and in a democracy in am anner that the general public want them to( within reason). Rarely this is the case as most seem intent in simply following out their own misguided plans(couldn't think of a better word here) usually to whatever ends will benefit themselves of their class.

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">During left government in Spain unemployment reached 30%

now it has been reduced fortunately to the16%...

This is only an example of why the right is still supported..because ppl has more money in their pockets,taxes are fewer and life quality has increased... <span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, it's easy to reduce unemployment by giving people shitty jobs, and lowering the taxes by reducing the money invested in scientific research, education, and health care. Hell, you just have to look what bunch of mental retarded fuck ups are president Aznar and his ministers (specially the education minister and the health minister). There is the same fucking corruption there was with the leftist government, the thing is: the gov controls the public tv, and most of the other channels and newspapers are owned by rich people that supports the government. For example: Telecinco, owned by Silvio Berlusconi, and the ABC newspaper, that has been the main rightist newspaper since Franco's dictatorship. So, with the media controled, they can make corruption scandals look like nothing and even blame them on the leftists.

And about money having more money in their pockets... well, maybe RICH people have EVEN more money in their pockets.

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In germany we have no real big extreme right-wing parties. I guess the german extremists are no friends of words, they do their job on the street (with strangely shaved heads, only god knows why) <span id='postcolor'>

Hehehe, we have skinheads in Spain too. But there are communist skinheads here too (sounds weird, but it's true). Extreme right wing is not a big political force here (they get even less votes than the communists), but moderated right wing is in the government.

[Mora2 0]

Well..i have to disagree... not only rich ppl are richer,also general Wealthness rate has increased not only for rich ppl but also poor ppl have increased their rents....

and is better to have a shitty job than not having anything...don´t you think so?

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mora2 @ April 22 2002,18:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and is better to have a shitty job than not having anything...don´t you think so?<span id='postcolor'>

Well most unemployed Germans would disagree. YOu get more money for being unemployed than for a medium-bad job. Socialist reality! In spain so many people work in the tourism sector and that means working day and night, during weekend. They would freak if they would know that in Germany you get more money for being unemployed than for the work they do!

All you need to do is to proof that you try to find a job. Fine, go to several interviews and have a few beers beforehand!

BTW ELECTION: the frenchies have to two cycles of election. This was the first one and the people like to play a bit, during the second they vote seriously. You gonna see the difference. Le Pen will be an absolute looser during the second cycle of the election

[hbk 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ April 21 2002,19:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This was the first one and the people like to play a bit, during the second they vote seriously. You gonna see the difference. Le Pen will be an absolute looser during the second cycle of the election<span id='postcolor'>

Let's hope so ...

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Let's hope so ...<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, i don't want a pseudo fascist leading a nuclear power.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well..i have to disagree... not only rich ppl are richer,also general Wealthness rate has increased not only for rich ppl but also poor ppl have increased their rents....

and is better to have a shitty job than not having anything...don´t you think so?<span id='postcolor'>

If you had to choose between working 8 hours a day in a shitty job and getting like 600 euros a month or being disemployed and getting 500, what would you do?? Would you take the job? What the government is doing is lowering the unemployment pay, to force workers into taking the shitty jobs from temporal work companies, that are owned by the friends and relatives of the rich fucks in the government.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, i don't want a pseudo fascist leading a nuclear power.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes..but isnt that better than a chimpanzee?

Hee hee hee

[Mora2 0]

Well...i think unemployment fee is only temporal and lasts only two years so  unemployed ppl should better run for any type of job....regarding that companys are owned by goverment friends...well we could discuss this for years but i only say that it is not clearly stated anywhere so....

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mora2 @ April 22 2002,20:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well...i think unemployment fee is only temporal and lasts only two years so  unemployed ppl should better run for any type of job....regarding that companys are owned by goverment friends...well we could discuss this for years but i only say that it is not clearly stated anywhere so....<span id='postcolor'>

As I said, if you have proofed that you were searching this two year limit is not realy valid! (easy to play searching and deliberately fail applications)

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ April 22 2002,16:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But it is also true that many imigrants stem from countries or regions that are exposed to poverty and criminality for decades, after all that is why they are allowed to "imigrate".

I am sorry but I actually do think that immigrants do have a higher criminal energy (since they grew up in the neighbourhood of criminality)!<span id='postcolor'>

I disagree on that. If we take France for example, most of their immigrants are from Algeria. The punishment for petty crimes in Algeria are the fundamentalist muslim ones; i.e you steal - you loose a hand. So, I really doubt that the originating culture/society matters very much.

Something to bear in mind is that most of the immigrants are from the bottom ladder of their homelands society educational- and economical-wise. You also naturally have the very well educated, but that is a relativly small percentage. The middle layer (ie the average citizen) is not present at all. The tragic effect of this is the unfair generalisation. We have a shortage of medical doctors in Sweden, while highly competent surgeons from other countries are working as cleaners.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ April 22 2002,21:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ April 22 2002,162)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But it is also true that many imigrants stem from countries or regions that are exposed to poverty and criminality for decades, after all that is why they are allowed to "imigrate".

I am sorry but I actually do think that immigrants do have a higher criminal energy (since they grew up in the neighbourhood of criminality)!<span id='postcolor'>

I disagree on that. If we take France for example, most of their immigrants are from Algeria. The punishment for petty crimes in Algeria are the fundamentalist muslim ones; i.e you steal - you loose a hand. So, I really doubt that the originating culture/society matters very much.

Something to bear in mind is that most of the immigrants are from the bottom ladder of their homelands society educational- and economical-wise. You also naturally have the very well educated, but that is a relativly small percentage. The middle layer (ie the average citizen) is not present at all. The tragic effect of this is the unfair generalisation. We have a shortage of medical doctors in Sweden, while highly competent surgeons from other countries are working as cleaners.<span id='postcolor'>

Actually you said what I meant. I dont blame it on their culture I blame it on their social origin. The bottom of society. We agree on that, didnt mean anything else.

[Longinius 1]

Interesting discussion. When it comes to crime and such I have one small tidbit to offer. I work for a company that makes ATM's and CDS's (Cash Deposit Systems). When we make products for the European and American market, we have to include safe deposit boxes of various strengths, ranging from 80 mm steel cabinets to concrete safes. When we sell products to Arab nations, we can basically use thin wooden sheets. Why? Because they have such an extremely low crime rate.

Immigrants become criminals when they do not get properly recieved and integrated. Citizens become racists when they see that immigrants don't get integrated / are criminals. What is the problem then? Politicians with no reality contact.

Personally, I view a nation as a company. I see no reason to take in someone who cannot contribute. I promote giving aid locally, not taking people here who have little to no chance, or will, to become a part of society. I mean, how do you expect a low time farmer with no education to adapt to a totally new and different society? Maybe he can't even read or right his own language, yet he is expected to become a part of a fairly advanced IT society.

Another scary trend is how immigrants take on all the shitty jobs the regular citizens don't want. I mean no-one wants to work as a janitor or in some pizzeria. So immigrants do it. If all immigrants left we would have a problem, atleast in the major cities.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ April 23 2002,08:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why? Because they have such an extremely low crime rate.<span id='postcolor'>

Cutting the hands off of thieves is a proven method of both discouraging criminal behavior and cutting down on repeat offenders.

Unfortunately we have a little thing called the Constitution that keeps us from employing more drastic methods of law enforcement.

[Longinius 1]

"Cutting the hands off of thieves is a proven method of both discouraging criminal behavior and cutting down on repeat offenders.

Unfortunately we have a little thing called the Constitution that keeps us from employing more drastic methods of law enforcement."

Does it get more drastic than the death penalty?

[nordin dk 0]

Well put!

Compare getting fried in the chair, to getting your hand cut off.

[pathfinder 0]

Im not big on world politics, but here in the states. Left run governments normally oppress one people to benefit another. If the left takes over the 2nd ammendment goes out the window, If right wins your 1st ammendment is in jeopardy.

Let the guy win ,and if the people of france don't like his rule they always got le revolution. That is unless the leftist party didn't take away the tools for the job....aka (guns)

[nordin dk 0]

The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun.

-- R. Buckminster Fuller

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ April 23 2002,08:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does it get more drastic than the death penalty? <span id='postcolor'>

You have to take another persons life to get capital punishment over here. Over there, all you have to do to et yer hands cut off is steal something, anything really.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

and they still got the "greve" (strike) which they celebrate regularly.

BTW: Many of the immigrants dont become criminal once they arrive in a western countries. This is nonesense. Many of those you welcome may have already a criminal background (how can you check). The Albanians, the polish and the russians own basically every illegal business-sector in Germany! You cannot blame everything on the politicians, just because an immigrant turned criminal. Germany is not only a good country to work but also a good source to make fast money. Integration is primary objective! But if this fails, kick him out and like this make space for different immigrant with proper morals!