Bioshock 2 joins the Anti-Dedicated-Servers Brigade

[celery 8]

I played it (for about the 10th time) a few years ago and Im afraid they are nothing alike.

SS is to PC games what Bladerunner is to SciFi movies.

Bioshock was good but not even CLOSE to SS.

You say that comparing them is stupid, yet you've compared them in each of your posts.

And you can stop playing with semantics while you're at it, I said they weren't comparable which isn't comparing. Other people choose to compare them which I think is stupid, as I have said, IMHO, they aren't comparable.

comparison (plural comparisons)

1. The act of comparing or the state or process of being compared

2. An evaluation of the similarities and differences of two (or more) things

"He made a careful comparison of the available products before buying anything."

3. The state of being similar or alike

"There really is no comparison between the performance of today's computers and those of a decade ago."

4. (grammar) The ability of adjectives and adverbs to form three degrees.

I'm guessing that you mean the third one when you talk about comparing. However that's a figure of speech, while you're stating that the two are not comparable because they are nothing alike, yet they are very much alike with the same developers who explicitly stated that they're making a spiritual sequel, i.e. what you would expect from SS2 and more. Not comparing the two would be stupid given their obvious connection.

[bangtail 0]

You say that comparing them is stupid, yet you've compared them in each of your posts.

comparison (plural comparisons)

1. The act of comparing or the state or process of being compared

2. An evaluation of the similarities and differences of two (or more) things

"He made a careful comparison of the available products before buying anything."

3. The state of being similar or alike

"There really is no comparison between the performance of today's computers and those of a decade ago."

4. (grammar) The ability of adjectives and adverbs to form three degrees.

I'm guessing that you mean the third one when you talk about comparing. However that's a figure of speech, while you're stating that the two are not comparable because they are nothing alike, yet they are very much alike with the same developers who explicitly stated that they're making a spiritual sequel, i.e. what you would expect from SS2 and more. Not comparing the two would be stupid given their obvious connection.

You're just playing with semantics for the sake of a stupid argument.

The point was that comparing the two was stupid and it remains the point.

Funny thing is, I dont think you have played SS since you avoid responding to my contentions to that effect so you really wouldn't know, would you.

Your "evidence" seems to be based on the fact that it is the same dev and the fact that the dev said that it was a "spiritual successor", not on any actual experience of SS.

Edited January 30, 2010 by BangTail

[celery 8]

You're just playing with semantics for the sake of a stupid argument.

The point was that comparing the two was stupid and it remains the point.

Your statement regarding the comparison's stupidity is stupid, that's why I'm doing my best to understand otherwise. So far you haven't given good arguments to prove your statement reasonable.

Funny thing is, I dont think you have played SS since you avoid responding to my contentions to that effect so you really wouldn't know, would you.

I have played all three. I wonder how that has anything to do with the games being comparable to one another.

Your "evidence" seems to be based on the fact that it is the same dev and the fact that the dev said that it was a "spiritual successor", not on any actual experience of SS.

The comparison is obvious, logical and inevitable because of the connections I already told you about. Like I said, whether or not Bioshock lives up to its predecessors is a completely different issue, and you reaching the conclusion of BS being different from its predecessors requires comparing the games. Claiming their comparison to be stupid is thus either hypocrisy or a big misunderstanding or the verb "compare" on your part.

[bangtail 0]

Your statement regarding the comparison's stupidity is stupid, that's why I'm doing my best to understand otherwise. So far you haven't given good arguments to prove your statement reasonable.

I have played all three. I wonder how that has anything to do with the games being comparable to one another.

The comparison is obvious, logical and inevitable because of the connections I already told you about. Like I said, whether or not Bioshock lives up to its predecessors is a completely different issue, and you reaching the conclusion of BS being different from its predecessors requires comparing the games. Claiming their comparison to be stupid is thus either hypocrisy or a big misunderstanding or the verb "compare" on your part.

For you it is, for me it isn't.

Nothing else to say really.

At the end of the day it's subjective and constantly arguing wont change that so

/end of

Edited January 30, 2010 by BangTail

[Bulldogs 10]

Honestly, if I never knew there was a link between SS and SS2 then I never would have known any link existed, and I still to this day can't see any link or similarities between the two.

Still love both games though, and as I said, I fear for Bioshock now that they've changed developer, but then again the developer of SS2 (Irrational Games) didn't develop the first SS and SS2 still turned out a lot better than SS1 (IMO)

[CameronMcDonald 146]

It is obvious but it is also stupid as they have nothing to do with each other in terms of gameply, premise etc.

As much as I hate using other people's words to fight for me, this puts it quite nicely.

~50 seconds onwards.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/4-BioShock

:j: If you can't see any similarities between the two, you're either high or extremely dense.

Edited January 31, 2010 by CameronMcDonald

[bangtail 0]

As much as I hate using other people's words to fight for me, this puts it quite nicely.

~50 seconds onwards.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/4-BioShock

:j: If you can't see any similarities between the two, you're either high or extremely dense.

Keep going with the insults, because when you try to insult me in place of an actual debate, that's when I start to take you seriously.

/sarcasm off.

You can keep telling me there are similarities till your f**cking hands fall off. As I said, it's subjective and I really couldnt care less what you or the guy at no punctuation reviews thinks. I've never cared for his "reviews".

Edited January 31, 2010 by BangTail

[celery 8]

You can keep telling me there are similarities till your f**cking hands fall off. As I said, it's subjective and I really couldnt care less what you or the guy at no punctuation reviews say. I've never liked that guy's "reviews".

Experiences and preferences may be subjective but concrete similarities between the two games (gameplay, setting, elements & ideas, developers who proclaim profound connection) are the same for everyone. The only possibilities why you would call SS2 and Bioshock completely different are either that you haven't played them or your head is not working properly.

[bangtail 0]

Experiences and preferences may be subjective but concrete similarities between the two games (gameplay, setting, elements & ideas, developers who proclaim profound connection) are the same for everyone. The only possibilities why you would call SS2 and Bioshock completely different are either that you haven't played them or your head is not working properly.

Just let it go Celery, we aren't going to agree and I really don't care for your pathetic attempts at condescension.

If you can't debate like an adult (which isn't surprising given your age), keep your mouth shut and your fingers off the keyboard.

Lada and Ferrari are both brands of car and you can compare them on that level but you'd be naive if you believed that was the kind of "comparison" we were talking about here.

Edited January 31, 2010 by BangTail

[Bulldogs 10]

I've started playing through SS2 again for a bit of fun. I can see similarities between the two games, while at the same time I can see similarities with Half-Life and both games. SS2 and Bioshock have closer similarities, but not by much.

[bangtail 0]

I've started playing through SS2 again for a bit of fun. I can see similarities between the two games, while at the same time I can see similarities with Half-Life and both games. SS2 and Bioshock have closer similarities, but not by much.

Yah, like they are both PC games ;)

[Bulldogs 10]

Xactlies...

Actually, on second thought I'd say SS2 is like Deus Ex 2. Bioshock is similar too but SS2 is a lot more like Deus Ex 2.

[celery 8]

Just let it go Celery, we aren't going to agree and I really don't care for your pathetic attempts at condescension.

If you can't debate like an adult (which isn't surprising given your age), keep your mouth shut and your fingers off the keyboard.

To me it sounds more like you're in an infantile state of not believing anyone else than yourself to be correct, ignoring all the facts pointed out to you and making it sound like a game's content and outside context depends on personal opinion. And resorting to an age remark only reveals your lack of imagination and proper arguments, even more so when the person you're clumsily trying to quip is is 22 years old.

[bangtail 0]

To me it sounds more like you're in an infantile state of not believing anyone else than yourself to be correct, ignoring all the facts pointed out to you and making it sound like a game's content and outside context depends on personal opinion. And resorting to an age remark only reveals your lack of imagination and proper arguments, even more so when the person you're clumsily trying to quip is is 22 years old.

Don't try to cast aspersions on my mental state and I won't feel the inclination to treat you like a rude child.

You're entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. Don't try and tell me what I should think based on your opinion (which is what you have been doing the entire time despite the fact that I suggested we let it go several posts ago).

Because you are a kid, you haven't learned that sometimes, it is better to agree to disagree than to attempt to ram your opinions down another's throat.

That just doesn't work I'm afraid and you will find that people will not react well to it.

Good day :)

PS : I "resorted" to an "age remark" because you are behaving like a little brat. In your defense, there are people twice your age who behave the same way.

Edited January 31, 2010 by BangTail

[Bulldogs 10]

Man there's a lot of things I forgot from this game. I hate to say it but the more I play it the more it feels like Bioshock... still a lot like Deus Ex though.

[bangtail 0]

Man there's a lot of things I forgot from this game. I hate to say it but the more I play it the more it feels like Bioshock... still a lot like Deus Ex though.

SS2?

I haven't played that in ages.

[celery 8]

Actually, on second thought I'd say SS2 is like Deus Ex 2. Bioshock is similar too but SS2 is a lot more like Deus Ex 2.

Interestingly enough all three related games (Deus Ex, Thief 2, System Shock 2) have console-handicapped sequels (Deus Ex 2, Thief: Dark Shadows, Bioshock) that have been disfavorably compared to the former ones because they've been simplified and most gameplay elements are inferior to their predecessors. That's not to say that any of them isn't a good game, but the disappointment of fans of the previous games is certainly justified.

And that's why calling the comparison stupid is just that: stupid.

[bangtail 0]

And that's why calling the comparison stupid is just that: stupid.

Another one for the ignore pile.

Damn kids ;)