Blak ops, snipers and the "front" platoon

[slowyconection 0]

once i played like this

me and a friend were doin for the flag

at a forest

stealthy,undectable(3 east,i think 2 west)

goin tru it we arrived at the enemy flag

and then...

anyway

do u think recon is important or not?

when i send my resume to my clan leader

i said(RECON)

when i saw the site, list names

SNIPER

why that?

[scout 0]

usualy at the platoon level u use snipers for recon cause they have super optics, they train to be invisible and they usualy dont mingle with the assaulters so the squad leader dont need to give up personnel for these missions.

recon on larger scale is done by small squads of 4 or more but thats at the battalion level.

good luck cause ull sure need it!

[slowyconection 0]

but i mean

recon for recoinin the enemy base

not the platoons paph

like enemy posistions and stuff

and why a sniper

im not 1

i use binocs

[USSoldier11B 0]

You are right about that. In real life snipers are used for target interdiction not recon. That is thier specific task. In the army we have LRS (long range surviellance), LRRP (long range reconnaissance patrol) units. This is thier specialty. Most of these guys are Ranger qualfied and are proficient in small unit tactics. Maybe a good idea for a clan? To put together a four to six man recon team to support the clan? I believe it is a skill to be recognised. Although sniping and recon are similar in the fact that they are covert, they are generally mutually exclusive. Most conventional infantry unots will have LRS/LRRP detachments.

[Aculaud 0]

I was watching this thing on the navy SEALs on the discovery channel one time, and they were talking about how their snipers are one of their best methods of recon. Also, they were talking about the demoralization factor. How a sniper picking off one or two guys at an objective could keep the tangos heads down long enough for the SEAL team to go in and get the job done. Meanwhile, the sniper team present could be covering them while they conduct their mission.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Yes, but recon elements are not supposed to engage the enemy unless they have to. Even then they break contact and go into E&E. Why? Beacause then the enemy will know that they have been compromised.

[slowyconection 0]

yeah

snipers r perfect for blowin up the enemys morale and courage in battle field

but its useless to send a so important unit when u can send a normal soldier, jus movin with it tru the woods or somewehere else

[scout 0]

i say again:

the lowest size of a unit that has any type of recon unit is a battalion.

as a platoon commander they best assest u have is your sniper.

im not talking spec-ops, im talking straight infantry.

now, if, as a platoon commander, u have 30-40 men, u dont want to give up force for this task.

and as infantry u usualy engage the target after recon, so no dager of compromise here.

a recon element is good if we're talking pre-attack recon which u dont have in OFP. the unit sizes are too small.

if u do it right, the recon position is the best sniping position

[slowyconection 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (scout @ April 04 2002,18:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i say again:

the lowest size of a unit that has any type of recon unit is a battalion.

as a platoon commander they best assest u have is your sniper.

im not talking spec-ops, im talking straight infantry.

now, if, as a platoon commander, u have 30-40 men, u dont want to give up force for this task.

and as infantry u usualy engage the target after recon, so no dager of compromise here.

a recon element is good if we're talking pre-attack recon which u dont have in OFP. the unit sizes are too small.

if u do it right, the recon position is the best sniping position<span id='postcolor'>

explain it better

[scout 0]

u want the whole story?

[scout 0]

lets say ur commander of 16 man team:

u have 1 covering section and 2 assault sections.

wait! where is the recon?

as a commander ull want to give as little manpower for recon. why?

when u send the recon up front ur saying:

"make sure the path to the target is clear, and when u reach it, gimmies some intel while i orgenize for attack"

which means that the recon section CANT join the attack.

whats its role then in the actual attack?

1. snipe. in the heat of the battle no one can differ between a sniper bullet and any other. ppl tend to be attracted to the loudest sound.

2. watch your mates back! there is nothing like a tank poping out in the middle of assault.

ppl tend to forget that there is somthing else other then the target.

3. AA cover. need i say more?

4. cover your mates backs if they need to retreat. a big big thing.

5.call in support and reserves. its always easier to do these tasks if ur not in the actual fight.

so as u can see why u need min ppl in scout section.

whats my prefered section?

1. lead - armed with MP5SD. can react quickly, without alerting the bad guys. bins and NVG is a must cause his

job is to keep eyes open, communicate with the squad leader, etc.

2. sniper - superior optics. can give an edge to a combat both in fire power and intel.

3. optional- AA soldier. AA needs to be detached from the combat in order to give effective cover. ill give him MP5SD too cause of the same reason of the lead.

deployment, though, needs to be in accordence with AA requirments and preferably a bit far from the scout-sniper team.

anything else?

[slowyconection 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (scout @ April 04 2002,21:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lets say ur commander of 16 man team:

u have 1 covering section and 2 assault sections.

wait! where is the recon?

as a commander ull want to give as little manpower for recon. why?

when u send the recon up front ur saying:

"make sure the path to the target is clear, and when u reach it, gimmies some intel while i orgenize for attack"

which means that the recon section CANT join the attack.

whats its role then in the actual attack?

1. snipe. in the heat of the battle no one can differ between a sniper bullet and any other. ppl tend to be attracted to the loudest sound.

2. watch your mates back! there is nothing like a tank poping out in the middle of assault.

ppl tend to forget that there is somthing else other then the target.

3. AA cover. need i say more?

4. cover your mates backs if they need to retreat. a big big thing.

5.call in support and reserves. its always easier to do these tasks if ur not in the actual fight.

so as u can see why u need min ppl in scout section.

whats my prefered section?

1. lead - armed with MP5SD. can react quickly, without alerting the bad guys. bins and NVG is a must cause his

job is to keep eyes open, communicate with the squad leader, etc.

2. sniper - superior optics. can give an edge to a combat both in fire power and intel.

3. optional- AA soldier. AA needs to be detached from the combat in order to give effective cover. ill give him MP5SD too cause of the same reason of the lead.

deployment, though, needs to be in accordence with AA requirments and preferably a bit far from the scout-sniper team.

anything else?<span id='postcolor'>

nice

well explained

but AA cover

never heard of it

if its west u r fightin

jus shoot the pilot

if it goes slowy of course

[scout 0]

ok AA cover:

u have to know that AA troops arent showing in every formation.

the smallest formation that has AA i know of is a platoon in the syrian army and only because they are immensly afraid of our air force

now AA troops cant just hang anywhere.

they need a good cover but to be in open space (no trees!

they need to be high in order to intercept planes and choppers BEFORE they do any damage.

u have to pos them in the most probable direction of the threat and preferably not in any fighting area cause that'll hinder their effectivness.

now, that means that the AA troop wont be paticipating in the actual combat which is a bummer, but u need to think well before u take it cause thats another rifle not in use.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i say again:

the lowest size of a unit that has any type of recon unit is a battalion.

as a platoon commander they best assest u have is your sniper.

im not talking spec-ops, im talking straight infantry.

now, if, as a platoon commander, u have 30-40 men, u dont want to give up force for this task.

and as infantry u usualy engage the target after recon, so no dager of compromise here.

a recon element is good if we're talking pre-attack recon which u dont have in OFP. the unit sizes are too small.

if u do it right, the recon position is the best sniping position

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How would you know? Are you in the military? Unlike the UCMC, there is not a desinated sniper MOS. Snipers in the army are just infantrymen who have gone through the Long Range Target Interdiction school at Ft. Benning, GA. In conventional units snipers are also a battalion asset as well.

[Cloney 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">nice

well explained

but AA cover

never heard of it

if its west u r fightin

jus shoot the pilot

if it goes slowy of course

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The real world is nothing like the wonderful world of OFP, you can't just snipe the pilot with your rifle. Try shooting the pilot of an Apache helicopter going at around 200 mph...it won't get you anywhere.

[scout 0]

yes, im were in the army for about 5 years, now im in the reserve.

in our army, they changed the allocation of the snipers from the platoon level to the battalion, but instead u have sharpshooters on the platoon level. any ways the snipers are going throughthe snipers school, but, as almost any army in the world, there are trouble in using them right.

any way, the use of snipers change not only between armies but also between units, just as u've said.

[slowyconection 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ April 05 2002,05:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">nice

well explained

but AA cover

never heard of it

if its west u r fightin

jus shoot the pilot

if it goes slowy of course

<span id='postcolor'>

The real world is nothing like the wonderful world of OFP, you can't just snipe the pilot with your rifle. Try shooting the pilot of an Apache helicopter going at around 200 mph...it won't get you anywhere.<span id='postcolor'>

2 bad ofp isnt that real