zinco 0 Posted June 16, 2003 results so far Connect 1 - No message with only editorupdate102.pbo in regular addons folder. Connect 2 - Capt. Zinco uses modified data file- res/dta/data.pbo with bas addons in REGULAR addons folder. Connect 3 - No Message - took bas addons out of regular addons folder. Connect 4 - No Message with object1.pbo in regular addons folder Addons i had in REGULAR addons folder when i got the message: BAS_derad.pbo BAS_deraw.pbo BAS_kawa.pbo bas_lbs.pbo bas_lbs185.pbo bas_soar.pbo bas_soar185.pbo BAS_weap.pbo I did not load a mission or anything, i just connected and got the message. That really doesn't make sense to me. Either one of those files is modifying the data.pbo or it is causing some kind of error with the check files. If it is modifying the data.pbo, then when u connect without them in, it is unmodifying it. That doesn't make sense to me. Can someone from bis explain why this is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zinco 0 Posted June 17, 2003 Now to make it more confusing a friend of mine connects with every addon known to man and gets no messages. I wish BIS would come out and say that this code is not reliable. At least if addons are used. There is alot of debate and these messages stir up alot of false suspicions. There has never been a comment on this subject since suma said that different language versions are different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zinco 0 Posted June 17, 2003 The one on the left is data.pbo right after clean reinstall with no addons. it is in a back up folder. The one on the right is data.pbo right after getting a message and playing a delta mission with the bas addons. both are from res/dta/data.pbo The time created on the right is the time of install. The time created on the left is the time i made the back up copy of the clean file. The exact size and time modified is the same for both files. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zinco 0 Posted June 17, 2003 Now in this example ET connects with only Inv1944 addons in his folder and gets no message. GodofGunnies connects with every addon known to man and gets the message. Seems consistent so far. Then GIKiller connects with every addon known to man and gets no message. If i connect with the bas addons and i get a message and Gi killer connects with the addons and gets no message how does that square? I am back to becoming convinced that it is just flat out unreliable. 19:20:17 All users disconnected, waiting for users 19:56:36 Player Capt. Zinco connecting 19:56:36 Mission DECISIVE V4 (2-40).CAIN read from bank 19:57:35 Player Capt. Zinco connected (id=715662) 19:57:43 Capt. Zinco uses modified data file - res\dta\data.pbo 19:58:01 Admin Capt. Zinco logged in. 19:58:44 Mission 26C_DeltaForce_v1.0.Noe read from bank 19:58:56 Roles assigned 19:58:56 Reading mission ... 19:59:06 Mission read 20:00:18 Game started 20:00:50 Game finished 20:00:53 Waiting for next game 20:00:53 Mission HIGHLANDS V5 (2-40).ABEL read from bank 20:00:55 Player Capt. Zinco disconnected 20:00:55 Admin Capt. Zinco logged out. 20:00:55 All users disconnected, waiting for users 20:15:36 Player LCpl. Eternal Thunder connecting 20:15:36 Mission DECISIVE V4 (2-40).CAIN read from bank 20:15:42 Player LCpl. Eternal Thunder connected (id=709877) 20:15:51 Admin LCpl. Eternal Thunder logged in. 20:16:57 Mission INV44_2-5_Cooperative.Eden read from bank 20:17:10 Player GodofGunnies connecting 20:17:14 Player GodofGunnies connected (id=2732032) 20:17:17 GodofGunnies uses modified data file - res\dta\data.pbo 20:18:42 Roles assigned 20:18:42 Reading mission ... 20:18:52 Mission read 20:19:31 Game started 20:24:59 Player WOLF[bRD] connecting 20:25:02 Player WOLF[bRD] connected (id=1114767) 20:25:36 Player WOLF[bRD] disconnected 20:28:56 Player Cpl. Special K connecting 20:29:01 Player Cpl. Special K connected (id=579770) 20:29:01 Cpl. Special K uses modified config file - 1.90 20:29:43 Game restarted 20:30:48 Roles assigned 20:30:48 Reading mission ... 20:30:49 Mission read 20:33:15 Game started 20:35:38 Player SSgt. GI Killer connecting 20:35:43 Player SSgt. GI Killer connected (id=1329479) 20:38:04 Game restarted 20:38:32 Mission INV44_SniperMP.abel read from bank 20:38:55 Mission INV44_1-16_Cooperative.Noe read from bank 20:40:12 Roles assigned 20:40:12 Reading mission ... 20:40:25 Mission read 20:41:04 Game started 20:44:14 Player LCpl. KillerKid connecting 20:44:31 Player LCpl. KillerKid connected (id=128145) 20:44:31 LCpl. KillerKid uses modified config file - 1.85 20:44:49 Player GodofGunnies is loosing connection 20:46:09 Player GodofGunnies disconnected 20:46:38 Player GodofGunnies connecting 20:46:42 Player GodofGunnies connected (id=2732032) 20:46:44 GodofGunnies uses modified data file - res\dta\data.pbo 20:48:29 Player LCpl. Eternal Thunder disconnected 20:48:29 Admin LCpl. Eternal Thunder logged out. 20:48:38 Admin GodofGunnies logged in. 20:49:28 Game restarted 20:49:56 Mission I44SiegePrizzi.i44_abel read from bank 20:51:19 Roles assigned 20:51:19 Reading mission ... 20:51:27 Mission read 20:51:46 Player Frenchie the Punk connecting 20:51:49 Player Frenchie the Punk connected (id=1356609) 20:52:11 Player Frenchie the Punk disconnected 20:52:18 Game started Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zinco 0 Posted June 17, 2003 Now in this next example i took the bas addons out of my regular addons folder after having loaded a delta mission. Then connected with NO addons in any floder. I got a modified res/dta/data.pbo message. Then a bunch of 1-8th joined frag house server and got accused of cheating. They are running check files. which is not really surprising check files or not. The only way u will convince me it is reliable is to say that if everyone does a clean install and never uses an addon ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdog~ 0 Posted June 17, 2003 No offense to anyone, but the people on the FragHaus server are a bunch of asshats when it comes to file checking anyway... I reccomend you don't even join - and with the 1kb face limit - I don't even have to... it auto kicks me :] PS: Sorry for the name calling ;) I just get angry when these things happen... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benu 1 Posted June 17, 2003 zinco: The problems with checkfile reporting modified files when the files are in reality unmodified is nothing new. At least for linux servers it is confirmed. BTW: When you compare two files use something like winmd5, it creates a checksum which will REALLY tell if the files are different or the same (in a similar but better way than the crc that checkfile uses). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skunk Monkey 0 Posted June 17, 2003 No offense to anyone, but the people on the FragHaus server are a bunch of asshats when it comes to file checking anyway... I reccomend you don't even join - and with the 1kb face limit - I don't even have to... it auto kicks me :] lol 1Kb, I thought SES had a low custom file limit @ 22kb, and a script which deletes all but your first custom sound. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benu 1 Posted June 17, 2003 I wanted to reply to reply something similar at first but maybe there are other reasons for that limit... there were cheats using custom faces or replacements for them... maybe that is the cause for this server setting. But for me the sound have always been the part i wanted to block, and since those get deleted by the script i set max custom face size from 20kb to 60kb on my server... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zinco 0 Posted June 17, 2003 I know benu. and i have checked the files before as you probably remember with crc32. md5 i can't remember if i used that or not. The reason i am still harping on this and decided to reinstall and test this again is that there are a bunch of servers in the war games league (windows servers, which is what i tested on) that are still running this code and think that if u just reinstall and use a seperate addons folder it will work. which is not true. frag house probably does use a 1kb custom limit to prevent people from deleting your custom face from their temp file and giving u a white face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benu 1 Posted June 17, 2003 That was what i was thinking about but i didn't want to give potential cheaters ideas ;) And i'm not sure but i think i remember something about bis fixing that custom face thing, but i'm not sure (and too lazy to go through the changes.txt right now ;)). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zinco 0 Posted June 18, 2003 Now in this next example we will compare the data.pbo that i backed up right after i reinstalled that DID NOT generate a message with the data.pbo that is in my res/dta/ folder currently and IS generating a message, using the same method that check files uses, crc32. The images on the left are the original "clean" file. the ones on the right are the file that is causing the message. all files have a check sum value just as they have a size and date and so on. ofp uses this same method with the check files code to compare the files, so i am told. as u can see both files return the same result using three different methods of crc32. yet the one on the right generates a message when connecting to the server. Given this why would any server run this code? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zinco 0 Posted July 9, 2003 upon further testing i found that when i removed the addons and connected and still got messages like i described above, i was not exiting the game and restarting it and that this was the problem. Â if i resart the game with only editorupdate102 check files works fine. what i can say for sure is that the addons being present some how cause crc to not check the data files properly. 99% sure that it is only res/dta/data.pbo......data3d.pbo and res/dta/htwl/data.pbo........data3d.pbo that are affected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chaos-RR- 0 Posted July 11, 2003 If I properly understand how the CRC check works the answer to this question is NO, but is there any logical way to explain a possibility that add-on pbo files interrupt, overlay, or otherwise interfere with the CRC filecheck on files such as data.pbo or data3d.pbo. To produce the modified message without having actually modified the file sitting on the client disk drive? Could an addon tweak a memory table value somewhere to cause this? Or are the data and data3d's cached into memory perhaps and CRC checked from there? Sorry if the question is dumb I'm not a guru Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zinco 0 Posted July 14, 2003 ralph can u delete this post i would like to start another one similar to merged.pbo thread but for data.pbo with more updated info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
