The Iraq Thread

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Reasoning is what you are missing. Supporting such groups means to you, Iraq could also give WMD to them. For the U.S. it means what? Something else? Double standard.<span id='postcolor'>Do you have a credible reference for that?<span id='postcolor'>

I don't really understand.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

stop bitchin kids!

Hell I am a unique amateur-wannabe-moderator

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Jan. 19 2003,16:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">stop bitchin kids!

Hell I am a unique amateur-wannabe-moderator<span id='postcolor'>

What is das grosse problem Albert?

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 19 2003,16:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Reasoning is what you are missing.  Supporting such groups means to you, Iraq could also give WMD to them.  For the U.S. it means what?  Something else?  Double standard.<span id='postcolor'>Do you have a credible reference for that?<span id='postcolor'>

I don't really understand.  <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

Do you have a creditble reference stating the US created the Taliban. I stress creditble!

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Jan. 19 2003,16:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">stop bitchin kids!

Hell I am a unique amateur-wannabe-moderator<span id='postcolor'>

You want us to stop bitchin' after 119 pages?  I think it has been fairly civil.  I haven't tried to offend anyone nor have I been offended.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Have we ever listed up the potential consequences? I guess yes but with this bad connection you cannot make me reread all those 119 pages.

- a great amount of casualties.

- a fully ruined infrastructure (back to the stoneage)

- UN obligation to financially bring the country back on its knees

- a destabilies region with unforseeable consequences

- growth in support of anti american resentiments and terorist activities - hitting back on the ENTIRE western world. (and belive me the US wont be the next in line, the next terorist desaster can happen anywhere with simillar outcomes to the ones of 9/11)

- a seriously injured relationship between the US and the rest of the western world.

- a destabilised oil-price (and that untill Iraq is back on full oil-production capacity)

- potential revenge strikes of Saddam

- potential threats of revenge against Israel

- a struggle of ideologies in Saudi Arabia (hell the biggest OPEC contributor)

well I am sure I left some out here. Is it worth to pay this price. Wouldnt it be worth to show a little bit more patience to prevent those side-effects

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,22:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Jan. 19 2003,16:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">stop bitchin kids!

Hell I am a unique amateur-wannabe-moderator<span id='postcolor'>

You want us to stop bitchin' after 119 pages?  I think it has been fairly civil.  I haven't tried to offend anyone nor have I been offended. <span id='postcolor'>

Dont take me too seriously on that, I rarely play the role of "listen to me kids and obey". was just kiddin,

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- a fully ruined infrastructure (back to the stoneage)

- UN obligation to financially bring the country back on its knees<span id='postcolor'>

Iraq oil can rebuild the country.  They are a very wealthy country (resource wise) unlike Afghanistan.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- a great amount of casualties.

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Sadly true, but there could be allot of causalties if Saddam gets nukes too.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- growth in support of anti american resentiments and terorist activities - hitting back on the ENTIRE western world. (and belive me the US wont be the next in line, the next terorist desaster can happen anywhere with simillar outcomes to the ones of 9/11)

- a seriously injured relationship between the US and the rest of the western world.

<span id='postcolor'>

Everyone hates us already anyways right?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- a destabilised oil-price (and that untill Iraq is back on full oil-production capacity)<span id='postcolor'>

He already tries that.  He cut back production last year.  So I guess that can happen if he is there or not.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- potential threats of revenge against Israel<span id='postcolor'>

They can take care of themselves.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- a struggle of ideologies in Saudi Arabia (hell the biggest OPEC contributor)<span id='postcolor'>

Already happening to a certain degree.  HERE

So list for me what you think the implications would be if he gets nukes?

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 19 2003,16:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Reasoning is what you are missing. Supporting such groups means to you, Iraq could also give WMD to them. For the U.S. it means what? Something else? Double standard.<span id='postcolor'>Do you have a credible reference for that?<span id='postcolor'>

I don't really understand. <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

Do you have a creditble reference stating the US created the Taliban. I stress creditble! <span id='postcolor'>

What happened in Afghanistan (Soviet-Afghan-Us war) does not require debate. It is also a follow up on your logic, again, not requiring any proof.

Did you want to make a deposit to CNN? Credible.

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 19 2003,16:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, the neigbours of the U.S., are Mexico and Canada.  Iraq is a threat to neither, nor the U.S.

You mean Iraq is an incovenience to the U.S. foreign policy and financial well being.  even though attacking Iraq probably means financial ruin for the U.S., it still appears to be worth more than doing nothing.  

EDIT: To explain the last point, there must be a great economical return for invading Iraq.<span id='postcolor'>

I don't need a geography lession my freind.  I mis-typed, I meant Iraq's neighbors.  Not the U.S.'s.  So a potential Iraqi suitcase nukes are not a threat?  Also, NK doesn't have the capability to reach the US with ballistic nukes, so does that mean the US should ignore them too?

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- potential threats of revenge against Israel<span id='postcolor'>

They can take care of themselves.<span id='postcolor'>

No way, only with 13B USD per annum. Or is it 3B USD per annum and 9B bonus this year? Plus the endless blood bath already taking place.

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 19 2003,16:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 19 2003,16:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Reasoning is what you are missing.  Supporting such groups means to you, Iraq could also give WMD to them.  For the U.S. it means what?  Something else?  Double standard.<span id='postcolor'>Do you have a credible reference for that?<span id='postcolor'>

I don't really understand.  <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

Do you have a creditble reference stating the US created the Taliban.  I stress creditble! <span id='postcolor'>

What happened in Afghanistan (Soviet-Afghan-Us war) does not require debate.  It is also a follow up on your logic, again, not requiring any proof.

Did you want to make a deposit to CNN?  Credible.<span id='postcolor'>

So the US gov. knew that by supporting the Soviet resistance would cause the spawn of the Taliban and terrorism. I think not.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't need a geography lession my freind. I mis-types, I meant Iraq's neighbors. Not the U.S.'s. S<span id='postcolor'>

I didn't know that.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

You try to flatten my arguments but they are valid points.

Hating america and willing to invest your life to kill to suicide-bomb a nation is a fine and powerful difference.

Saudi Arabia is already very unstable, thanks for supporting me on that one.

A war might be the motivating step for Saddam to become a and active terorist. Maybe this will trigger off what you try to prevent.

Without double standards we can say that a war in Iraq might cost more lifes than a terorist attack!

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 19 2003,16:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't need a geography lession my freind.  I mis-types, I meant Iraq's neighbors.  Not the U.S.'s.  S<span id='postcolor'>

I didn't know that.  <span id='postcolor'>

I know, hense my clarification..

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the US gov. knew that by supporting the Soviet resistance would cause the spawn of the Taliban and terrorism. I think not.<span id='postcolor'>

Should have, and they KNOW now that playing god is very dangerous. So stop it finally. Learn something at least from decades of stupid conflict!

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

hence or hense?

I love it, I am Mr. Piss-everyone off tonight!

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 19 2003,16:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,16:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the US gov. knew that by supporting the Soviet resistance would cause the spawn of the Taliban and terrorism.  I think not.<span id='postcolor'>

Should have, and they KNOW now that playing god is very dangerous.  So stop it finally.  Learn something at least from decades of stupid conflict!<span id='postcolor'>

Fine with me. I would rather see the U.S. withdrawl ALL foreign aid. Close the borders and fix our own problems. However, I imagine that when the shit hits the fan, we will be called again.

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Jan. 19 2003,16:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hence or hense?  

I love it, I am Mr. Piss-everyone off tonight! <span id='postcolor'>

LOL, so are you the spelling police now? First a amateur-wannabe-moderator and now this?

*god created spell check for a reason, too bad the forums don't have it. I hated english in high school and college. That is why I am in the IT field.

[Longinius 1]

"Hey, I didn't come up with that standard... Hans Blix and the U.N. did. I suggest you complain to them. I just want to follow their lead as the world suggests."

And if Blix jumped off the MTV building, would you follow him? Blix hasnt set any standard, he is simply playing a game with rules defined pretty much by the US.

"Actually, the weapon inspectors are getting intelligence now. Does it not make sense that the president can't tell the world everything we know. It could put sources at risk? "

Then he shout STFU. If you claim to have proof, you better deliver. Just saying you have proof and not showing it doesnt count for much in any court of law...

- Uhm yes your honor. I actually have proof positive that the accused is guilty. But I cant show it, you all are just gonna have to take my word for it...

"What you omit is that it was U.N. support after he invaded Kuwait. Sweden not part of the UN my friend? So it is not like we (and 26 other coalition nations) just bombed him for no reason. I guess that would give motive for attack wouldn't it? Also, if he has no beef with the US then why did he try to assasinate President Bush years later?"

When and where did Saddam Hussein try and assassinate Bush?

"For the right money I'm sure he would."

Yes, and why pay when you can invade and put him out of business, thus making all contracts with competing companies void and null.

"Don't start on the stupid argument about the atomic bombs. We attacked a military asset, not civilians."

No, America still attack two cities full of civilians.

"The USA is not an unstable dictatorship sitting on a world asset. Iraq is."

What does that have to do with anything?

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL, so are you the spelling police now? First a amateur-wannabe-moderator and now this?

*god created spell check for a reason, too bad the forums don't have it. <!--emo& I hated english in high school and college. That is why I am in the IT field.<span id='postcolor'>

Being in the IT field you should realize that you can cut and paste your creation and spell check it. If you need it.

Too bad there is no logic check.

[bn880 5]

0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,170)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fine with me. I would rather see the U.S. withdrawl ALL foreign aid. Close the borders and fix our own problems. However, I imagine that when the shit hits the fan, we will be called again. <span id='postcolor'>

Foreign aid and invading while the world is trying to hold you back are two opposite things...

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

hence or hense?

I love it, I am Mr. Piss-everyone off tonight!

<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, just did it with your post and look what I found...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Or why do you think the kurds now refuse to cooperate once again with the US, and why do you think the US right now feels obliged to protect the kurdish teritory in Iraq?  <span id='postcolor'>

teritory or territory

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why cant the government control the press? <span id='postcolor'>

cant or can't

I guess you be the spelling police and I will be the punctuation police... ok?

Plus, I didn't think anyone would resort to that level in here.  

[5thSFG.CNUTZ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 19 2003,17:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fine with me.  I would rather see the U.S. withdrawl ALL foreign aid.  Close the borders and fix our own problems.  However, I imagine that when the shit hits the fan, we will be called again. <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

Foreign aid and invading while the world is trying to hold you back are two opposite things...<span id='postcolor'>

No one has invaded anyone yet have they.... Saddam can leave Iraq and the US government would be happy and there would be no war.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5thSFG.CNUTZ @ Jan. 19 2003,17:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

Being in the IT field you should realize that you can cut and paste your creation and spell check it. If you need it.

Too bad there is no logic check.

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Yeah, just did it with your post and look what I found...<span id='postcolor'>

Unfortunately, I do not use a spell checker, English is not my native language, and those were not my posts you quoted!! i suggest you fix that now. I don't like being misquoted.