110 0 Posted July 18, 2002 I did a search and did'nt see much, so i apologize in advance if this has already been covered. The Muzzle flash bug is even worse now. My add-on weapons have permanent muzzle flashes. Â Â I love the lost brothers weapon packs and they are incompatible. I've tried everything i could think of (not much) such as turning T&L off and altering preference settings. Taiwan workshop weapons are bugged now too. Grrrrrr Im SHOCKED at the inaccuracy of detail of the handguns. The Glock 17 holds 17 rounds, not 14 rounds The Beretta holds 15, not 10 rounds The CZ-75 holds 15, not 14 rounds The Makarov is the standard Soviet sidearm, not the Tokarev Considereing the the Glock, Beretta, and CZ-75 are all 9mm they cant say it was for game balance. I mean come on! These guys are Czech and they dont know the CZ-75 holds 15 rounds? A simple search of small arms of the military forces should have provided ample info on such things a mag capacity. This either need to be fixed by modders or corrected in a patch. How come the buildings are sorrounded by grass? what no driveways or sidewalks? I dont really want to slam Resistance, but despite all the new material it gives us, it seems to be just another Rambo mission pack. If i were a resistance leader i would not take on all the crap they do. You fight battles you know you can win. Hit and Run. I would not take on Tank squads with a measly RPG. i have'nt played to far into the game, so it may be better as it goes along, but judging by what others have said, it does not seem so. Please help with the Muzzle flash bug if you can. 110 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aculaud 0 Posted July 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (110 @ July 18 2002,14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Glock 17 holds 17 rounds, not 14 rounds The Beretta holds 15, not 10 rounds The CZ-75 holds 15, not 14 rounds<span id='postcolor'> Ya know, i noticed this also, but i'm honestly not bugged by it that much. Considering that, in a battlefield situation, a sidearm wouldn't be used all that often, and even when it was used, its not like you'd be using it to take out a company or something, its just to get you by long enough to get more ammo for your primary, or just get out of the hot zone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
y0ungb0b 0 Posted July 18, 2002 Im sure all the weapon inaccuracies will be addressed in future patches. Although I dont see how BIS overlooked the ammo loadouts. Only fight battles you know you will win? Wheres the fun in that? Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exodist 1 Posted July 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (110 @ July 18 2002,23:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...The Makarov is the standard Soviet sidearm, not the Tokarev...<span id='postcolor'> PM (Pistolet Makatova) - for russian militia APS (Avtomaticheskiy Pistolet Stechkina) - for russian army T33 not use after 1951 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
110 0 Posted July 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Exodist @ July 19 2002,00:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (110 @ July 18 2002,23:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...The Makarov is the standard Soviet sidearm, not the Tokarev...<span id='postcolor'> PM (Pistolet Makatova) - for russian militia APS (Avtomaticheskiy Pistolet Stechkina) - for russian army T33 not use after 1951<span id='postcolor'> I assume the PM is the Makarov. What is the APS? US military field manuals list the Makarov as standard soviet sidearm. Is the APS chambered in 9x18mm also? pictures? The Tokarev is what the Chinese use still right? had'nt seen any photos of them using anything else. The Egyptians used to use a Tokarev based sidearm as well. inquisitive 110 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
110 0 Posted July 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aculaud @ July 18 2002,23:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (110 @ July 18 2002,14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Glock 17 holds 17 rounds, not 14 rounds The Beretta holds 15, not 10 rounds The CZ-75 holds 15, not 14 rounds<span id='postcolor'> Ya know, i noticed this also, but i'm honestly not bugged by it that much. Considering that, in a battlefield situation, a sidearm wouldn't be used all that often, and even when it was used, its not like you'd be using it to take out a company or something, its just to get you by long enough to get more ammo for your primary, or just get out of the hot zone.<span id='postcolor'> I agree that the handguns are pretty useless compared to the rifles, but still this is an eyesore. It should have been right to begin with. Its not like it would have caused them to hurt themselves. 15rnd 110 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exodist 1 Posted July 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (110 @ July 19 2002,00:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the APS? US military field manuals list the Makarov as standard soviet sidearm. Is the APS chambered in 9x18mm also? pictures? The Tokarev is what the Chinese use still right? had'nt seen any photos of them using anything else. The Egyptians used to use a Tokarev based sidearm as well. inquisitive 110<span id='postcolor'> Ok. PM standart issue Pistolet Makarova (PM), made in Russia Pistolet Makarova Modified (PMM) and its "hi-capacity" 12 rds magazine Caliber, mm 9x18; 9x18 improved(PMM) Type: Double action Overall length 161mm (165mm PMM) Weight unloaded 730g (760g PMM) Barrel length 93,5 mm Magazine capacity 8 rounds (12 rounds PMM) This pistol was designed as a self-defence handgun for army officers and Soviet police. Equipped with lead-jacketed bullets (not a standart hardened steel core ones) this gun can provide good defence on short and medium distances, with usual high reliability of Soviet designs. However, while PM is the main army pistol in exUSSR/Russian army, it should be compared with guns like Walther PP or Walther P5 or something like, but not wit ones like Beretta 92 or SigSauer P226. Originally PM was adopted by Soviet army and other law and military agencies in 1951, and replaced in service a TT semi-auto handgun. PM was developed as a "Walther PP style" firearm, as required by russian military. Its 9x18mm round obviopusly inspired by German pre-WW2 developed 9x18mm police/ultra cartridge, but these rounds are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE, because german one has bullet with diameter of 9.02 mm, and russian - with diameter 9.2mm. Makarow is a blowback operated, double action handgun. It has manual slide mounted safety, slide stop, single stack magazine. Makarow is all-steel handgun and is exremely sturdy, simple to operate and maintain and wery reliable. Despite many advantages, this gun has some drawbacks, at least as a military sidearm, and main two are low capacity and underpowered cartridge. In 1980s and early 1990s an upgrade of the PM was attempted under designation of the PMM (Pistolet Makarova Modified). Key changes were introduction of the dual-stack magazines for 12 rounds and the new, hottest version of the 9x18 PM round - 9x18mm PMM. The PMM round has a lighter bullet with more powerful powder charge, providing full 100m/s (915 fps) initial velocity increase. This round may be regarded as 9x18PM +P, and of course, cannot be used in the original PMs. To handle bigger recoil of the new round without big modification to the gun, was used the same blowback operated action with rifled grooves on the inner walls of the chamber. When cartridge walls are pushed outsside by burning powder gases, they increase the friction force and acting as a recoil brake. This design improvement helped to maintain the overall original design and PMM still could use original 9x18PM cartridges, but 9x18PMM brass is being deformed after the shot, so it cannot be reloaded. This is not an issue for the military firearm, however. Being more powerful, PMM has greater felt recoil, and even new, improved shape grips could'nt help to maintain accuracy at acceptable level. So, idea of the adoption of the +P version of the PM for the Russian military was dropped, and Russian army turned to the "new" cartridge - 9x19mm, and to completely new design, designated by 'Grach' codename. Export version of the original PM is markeded under IZh-71 designation, in both original 9x18mm PM and 9x17mm short/.380ACP chamberings. APS APS APS with attached holster-buttstock Type Double action, recoil operated, select-fire Caliber 9x18 mm Overall length 225 mm Weight unloaded 1220 g Barrel length 140 mm Magazine capacity 20 rounds Rate of auto fire 600 rds/min This big handgun entered Soviet Army service in 1951 as a side weapon for combat crews and second line troops. APS has a full-auto mode of fire with practical rate of fire of 60-90 rds/min and a wooden holster, which may be used as a buttstock. APS is a favorite gun of the Russian special law enforcement teams. Technically, APS is a recoil operated handgun, with slide mouned safety/fire selector and ajustable rear sights with settings up to 200 meters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
110 0 Posted July 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Exodist @ July 19 2002,00:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (110 @ July 19 2002,00:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the APS? US military field manuals list the Makarov as standard soviet sidearm. Is the APS chambered in 9x18mm also? pictures? The Tokarev is what the Chinese use still right? had'nt seen any photos of them using anything else. The Egyptians used to use a Tokarev based sidearm as well. inquisitive 110<span id='postcolor'> Ok. PM standart issue Pistolet Makarova (PM), made in Russia Pistolet Makarova Modified (PMM) and its "hi-capacity" 12 rds magazine Caliber, mm 9x18; 9x18 improved(PMM) Type: Double action Overall length 161mm (165mm PMM) Weight unloaded 730g (760g PMM) Barrel length 93,5 mm Magazine capacity 8 rounds (12 rounds PMM) This pistol was designed as a self-defence handgun for army officers and Soviet police. Equipped with lead-jacketed bullets (not a standart hardened steel core ones) this gun can provide good defence on short and medium distances, with usual high reliability of Soviet designs. However, while PM is the main army pistol in exUSSR/Russian army, it should be compared with guns like Walther PP or Walther P5 or something like, but not wit ones like Beretta 92 or SigSauer P226. Originally PM was adopted by Soviet army and other law and military agencies in 1951, and replaced in service a TT semi-auto handgun. PM was developed as a "Walther PP style" firearm, as required by russian military. Its 9x18mm round obviopusly inspired by German pre-WW2 developed 9x18mm police/ultra cartridge, but these rounds are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE, because german one has bullet with diameter of 9.02 mm, and russian - with diameter 9.2mm. Makarow is a blowback operated, double action handgun. It has manual slide mounted safety, slide stop, single stack magazine. Makarow is all-steel handgun and is exremely sturdy, simple to operate and maintain and wery reliable. Despite many advantages, this gun has some drawbacks, at least as a military sidearm, and main two are low capacity and underpowered cartridge. In 1980s and early 1990s an upgrade of the PM was attempted under designation of the PMM (Pistolet Makarova Modified). Key changes were introduction of the dual-stack magazines for 12 rounds and the new, hottest version of the 9x18 PM round - 9x18mm PMM. The PMM round has a lighter bullet with more powerful powder charge, providing full 100m/s (915 fps) initial velocity increase. This round may be regarded as 9x18PM +P, and of course, cannot be used in the original PMs. To handle bigger recoil of the new round without big modification to the gun, was used the same blowback operated action with rifled grooves on the inner walls of the chamber. When cartridge walls are pushed outsside by burning powder gases, they increase the friction force and acting as a recoil brake. This design improvement helped to maintain the overall original design and PMM still could use original 9x18PM cartridges, but 9x18PMM brass is being deformed after the shot, so it cannot be reloaded. This is not an issue for the military firearm, however. Being more powerful, PMM has greater felt recoil, and even new, improved shape grips could'nt help to maintain accuracy at acceptable level. So, idea of the adoption of the +P version of the PM for the Russian military was dropped, and Russian army turned to the "new" cartridge - 9x19mm, and to completely new design, designated by 'Grach' codename. Export version of the original PM is markeded under IZh-71 designation, in both original 9x18mm PM and 9x17mm short/.380ACP chamberings. APS APS APS with attached holster-buttstock Type Double action, recoil operated, select-fire Caliber 9x18 mm Overall length 225 mm Weight unloaded 1220 g Barrel length 140 mm Magazine capacity 20 rounds Rate of auto fire 600 rds/min This big handgun entered Soviet Army service in 1951 as a side weapon for combat crews and second line troops. APS has a full-auto mode of fire with practical rate of fire of 60-90 rds/min and a wooden holster, which may be used as a buttstock. APS is a favorite gun of the Russian special law enforcement teams. Technically, APS is a recoil operated handgun, with slide mouned safety/fire selector and ajustable rear sights with settings up to 200 meters.<span id='postcolor'> Damn dude! Thanks!! you rock. I want the APS imported in now. They could have went with a bigger cartridge though. Maybe they hot load'em like a +P+ Some nato 9mm rounds are hotter loaded. usually around a +P +110 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akm74 1 Posted July 18, 2002 .</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the APS? US military field manuals list the Makarov as standard soviet sidearm. Is the APS chambered in 9x18mm also? pictures?".<span id='postcolor'> you can see APS in the final scenes in "FACE OFF" movie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted July 19, 2002 The pistol complaints are old news, posted about any times if you look hard enough Feel free to put any of the other stuff in "constructive criticism". Closing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
