BTR-K Kamysh weapon system design problem

[Owatch 10]

Most APC's or IFV's in Arma 3 so far seem to sport the same weapon system types, often in the same configuration. This configuration is generally a turret slapped on top of a vehicle that fires grenades or a high caliber machine gun. Or both. This works well for many of the Armored cars in general, since armored cars do not always carry mounted weaponry, but in the case of the armored fighting vehicles like the Kamysh, and the Panther, having a turret just slapped on top looks bad, and appears (To me) like it was not designed in.

What I am commenting on is the fact that the Kamysh has a weapon system that looks like it's just been dropped on top, and in reality would be highly exposed to getting blown off by heavy rounds, or even just broken from rifle fire. This is why most of the Armored Vehicles that play the same roll as the Kamysh in previous Arma games or even other games have their repeating canons and rockets protected by an armored casing on the top. Maybe instead of having the vehicle look like a quick paste-a-turret on top job, integreating an armored turret would make the vehicle look:

1: More visually appealing: The turret armored casing would match the vehicle, and look more integrated.

2: More realistic: Just putting a high caliber gun, and a rocket pod on top of a vehicle in a rather high profile configuration would be terribly easy to shoot right off, bend, break, or damage in real life.

A good example of a vehicle that does this is AMV7 Marshall APC.

I mean, if it just had a generic turret like the armored cars have on top, it wouldn't look even close to as good as it does with it's turret armor and everything. I would just like to see if this could be done for the Kamysh

[Maio 293]

1. Well true, but since the action takes place in a active combat zone, esthetics and silhouettes pretty much go out the window considering the availability of drones, UAV's and combat optics.

2. The game would have to simulate proper armor penetration and component damage so that an extra layer of armor on top of the actual weapon system would make a difference.

Also that particular turret is meant to be just slapped on an armored vehicle. Example 1, 2 and 3.

[Owatch 10]

Oh.. Well. I just wish they had the turret designed the way BMP's have their turrets designed. It may be like that IRL, but it's sort of a killer for the vehicles low profile look.

[instagoat 133]

Actually, I -love- this turret from a tactical point of view. The turret is low profile and inconspicious enough to blend into the background when you go over the top of a hill, and with the CITV just being this tiny ball on top, you can use it like the Kiowa's Sensor pod in a way. It spoils the sleed looks of the Kamysh, okay, but we´re fighting a war here, not (entirely) out to look cool.

I love this tank. My only iffy with it (and all vehicles) is that the AI doesn´t know how to fight hull down or use terrain as an advantage, even less than infantry. That, and I am still not sure about the armour system and its hp stuff.

[Petrov 10]

Most APC's or IFV's in Arma 3 so far seem to sport the same weapon system types, often in the same configuration. This configuration is generally a turret slapped on top of a vehicle that fires grenades or a high caliber machine gun. Or both. This works well for many of the Armored cars in general, since armored cars do not always carry mounted weaponry, but in the case of the armored fighting vehicles like the Kamysh, and the Panther, having a turret just slapped on top looks bad, and appears (To me) like it was not designed in.

What I am commenting on is the fact that the Kamysh has a weapon system that looks like it's just been dropped on top, and in reality would be highly exposed to getting blown off by heavy rounds, or even just broken from rifle fire. This is why most of the Armored Vehicles that play the same roll as the Kamysh in previous Arma games or even other games have their repeating canons and rockets protected by an armored casing on the top. Maybe instead of having the vehicle look like a quick paste-a-turret on top job, integreating an armored turret would make the vehicle look:

1: More visually appealing: The turret armored casing would match the vehicle, and look more integrated.

2: More realistic: Just putting a high caliber gun, and a rocket pod on top of a vehicle in a rather high profile configuration would be terribly easy to shoot right off, bend, break, or damage in real life.

A good example of a vehicle that does this is AMV7 Marshall APC.

I mean, if it just had a generic turret like the armored cars have on top, it wouldn't look even close to as good as it does with it's turret armor and everything. I would just like to see if this could be done for the Kamysh

Actually that is pretty much what is being done in the new APC world.

They are taking tracked tank hulls and slapping HMG and GL turrets on top of em:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namer

[da12thMonkey 1943]

Unmanned turrets are becoming more preferable to manned turrets: that's just how things are going with respect to modern AFV design. Fact is that such designs significantly improve crew survivability - which is far more important than looks. If there are no occupants of a turret, armour is just unnecessary weight that can be shed to keep the vehicle as fast and manoeuvrable as possible - which is again important for the crew's survivability.

The one on Kamysh is a real turret: Rafael's Samson 30mm RCWS, which has been demonstrated on many different AFV hulls from the BMP-2 to things like Bradley, M113 and the Patria AMV.

[chortles 263]

It should be added that in the pcgames.de video (the one whose associated article revealed the SP campaign being delayed to post-release) the UGV is shown with both unarmed and armed versions... and the armed version actually seems to be using one of the armored car/APC RCWS turrets.

[cozza 24]

I dont really have a problem with the BTR-K. its looks nice.

Turret is just from a Pandur II