MDRZulu 0 Posted July 19, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I never said its OK for them to molest just because they are victims themselves. I did say however that some molestors actually do it because they have experienced it themselves and never got any help.<span id='postcolor'> Odd I never said that you said that you must be seeing things but you are basically saying because they were molested that that makes them mentally ill just like some alcoholic (which can actually be treated) or something. Molesting is on a completly different scale and if you do the crime you pay the price. Since you want to give them a second chance why dont we just deport them all to your country and you guys can attempt the impossible. Anyhow a quote from one of my favorite songs " I dont take pity on men of that kind even though he now takes it in the behind ". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted July 19, 2002 "Longinius the only diff is those people dont molest others because they were......those people are usally turning into or are prostituts, hors, strippers ect. ect." Ehhh, what do you base that statement on? Yes, people that have been sexually abused more often turn to prostituation and such than those that have not been abused. But I can bet my soul that the majority of child abusers are former victims themselves. "not molesters tell me what freeking 40yo man would be molested as a child....." I dont get that one. Cant 40 year old males have been molested as children or what are you saying? "most of em' are just sick basterds who cant aford a prostitut!" This is probably the stupidest, most ignorant remark in this thread. No offense. They are sick, yes. Most of the time this is directly resulted to previous abuse. As for prostitution, that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Most of those guys probably go to prostitutes to if thats their kick. Child molestation has nothing to do with using, or not using, hookers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDRZulu 0 Posted July 19, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ehhh, what do you base that statement on? Yes, people that have been sexually abused more often turn to prostituation and such than those that have not been abused. But I can bet my soul that the majority of child abusers are former victims themselves.<span id='postcolor'> Haven't you ever seen Jerry Springer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted July 19, 2002 "Odd I never said that you said that you must be seeing things but you are basically saying because they were molested that that makes them mentally ill just like some alcoholic (which can actually be treated) or something." No, its not the same thing. The alcoholic made a decision to start drinking alcohol and then they got hooked. The molester in this scenario never chose to be abused. He or she also never chosed to then be left alone with their problems. Yes, there are childmolesters that are mentally ill as a direct result of being victims themselves. Yes, this can be treated. "Since you want to give them a second chance why dont we just deport them all to your country and you guys can attempt the impossible." Its not impossible. It has been proven time and time again. Not all child molesters can be helped ofcourse. Different molesters do what they do for different reasons. But far from all are beyond help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDRZulu 0 Posted July 19, 2002 I wonder if your opinion would change if you found your innocent 5 year old son or daughtor hanging from tree branch naked next to the freeway after being molested. Or maybe your son or daughtor who got their ass beat to hell so the molester could do what he does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted July 19, 2002 "I wonder if your opinion would change if you found your innocent 5 year old son or daughtor hanging from tree branch naked next to the freeway after being molested. Or maybe your son or daughtor who got their ass beat to hell so the molester could do what he does." I would hate the person who did that, of course. I'd probably want to kill him. But that is besides the point. If someone killed my parents I'd want to kill him in return. But I don't believe in capital punishment. Revenge is one thing, law and justice is another. What I want to do is not the same as what I would do. We were discussing wether some molesters do what they do because they themselves are victims, and can that be treated. I still say yes, it can. Some child molesters can never be rehabilitated. They will always be sex offenders in one way or another. That kind of people can't be allowed to roam free in the general pupulation of course. But those that can change should be given a chance to do so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted July 19, 2002 People can form a 'virtual linch mob' and make more and more extreme statements as to what they would do if they caught a paedophile, but that wont solve anything. However releasing people into the general population for treatment as soon as they are charged is going too far in the opposite direction.In my opinion sexual abusers should be locked up and undergo treatment until such time as they are judged (say by a panel of psychologists/therapists or whatever) to no longer be a danger to the public. There are indeed those who can never change and dont want to, and there are those who are ill and were abused themselves, but irrelevant of the motive, unless there is a case for insanity then a crime has been comitted which cannot go without punishment. But treatment can go along with punishment which i think is the best and most sensible way for all concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted July 19, 2002 "There are indeed those who can never change and dont want to, and there are those who are ill and were abused themselves, but irrelevant of the motive, unless there is a case for insanity then a crime has been comitted which cannot go without punishment. But treatment can go along with punishment which i think is the best and most sensible way for all concerned." Which was what I was reffering to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted July 19, 2002 Hooray- well thats the global problem of Paedophilia solved then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoonieRat 0 Posted July 19, 2002 Its a World full of Wonders!~~~Not a Wonderful World! I have lived in the same house my entire life.15 years ago there was a 'person' who lived over the road/circle.(I live in a CuldeSac/dead end with a round about in the middle). this 'person' snatched a 5-6 year old girl, Raped her and stabbed her with a pair of scissors. sick fucker!. he got Life. lifes too good for the likes of him. The kid who lives next door to me(about 19-21). him and his freind beat a 16-17 year old kid black and blue in the Flat he used to live in. striped him off naked. wrapped him up in cling~film so he could'nt move. one of them inserted one of his fingers where it don't belong. one of them used a hoover to molest him. they kept him wrapped up like this till the next morning. the kid next door to me whos flat this happened in got 4 weeks in prison. he did 2 weeks!! . the other got 8 weeks and did 4!. As long as we live in a World where you get no harm done to you apart from losing your liberty, (big deal!, freedoms only comparative! ) for rape and murder of a child, and not always for life at that!. and the deterant for torturing/molesting a 16 year old boy is two weeks in prison!!. we are gonna have freaks. as long as people accept that the worlds gone to Hell and don't care to change it. or beleive its allways been like it. get off on it even!.we're gonna have freaks. Shit!,I can remember when 'HelterSkelter' was a song by U2!!... Personaly I think the Death Penalty makes a pretty good deterant. and if it does'nt detter some people and they kill/rape/whatever and recieve the death penalty: good ridance, Worlds a better place without them. sorry if this is a bit heavy. personaly I'd rather people did'nt bring this kinda shit up. I hav'nt read a newspaper or watched the news on TV,(or watched normal TV) for over ten years now. so much sickens me in the world, and sometimes I think I'm the only one who thinks its wrong!. other people just think: 'Hell!, thats part of the Parcel!'. if I can't personaly change it, I'd rather ignore it, ~not let it be part of my life... Viva the Vigilantee!!... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted July 19, 2002 Here is a CNN news about taking a suspect into custody. about 400 police were on it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikro_39 0 Posted July 19, 2002 you see if you let them back in the gen. public they'll strike agin and agin i think we should shoot em' all. molesters are sick basterds i doesent matter how they became one there just like the people who screw children, look up kiddyporn, and abuse little ones. Longinius if someone killed your child would you want to have him die by leathal injection or set back into the gen. public after a 2-3 year sentece??? i say we get rid of em' if another comtry likes em' thats there prob. but i live in america and we dont like em' and i hope there all shot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDRZulu 0 Posted July 20, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">People can form a 'virtual linch mob' and make more and more extreme statements as to what they would do if they caught a paedophile, but that wont solve anything. <span id='postcolor'> Yes I wouldnt actually light one of them on fire myself, you know why? because punishments like life in prison and the death penalty deter me. But dont get me wrong if I had the legal right to do it I wouldn't think twice about killing them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted July 20, 2002 I have a foster-sister. She lived with us for nearly a year when I was 14. At 13, she was..well..gorgeous. Shapely and very sexy. Someting that both her uncle and granfather, whom she lived with (her parents are dead), noticed when she was 11 and readily took advantage of. For two years. She and I became very close, and we spent a lot of time talking. I hated those two like I've never hated anyone in my entire life. The week before they were to go on trial, they fled the country. She went through a lot of really bad times (prostitution and drugs) before she finally was able to accept that she was a worthwhile person who had been preyed upon by some really sick people. Other than those two, there has only ever been one person I have almost been close to killing. And I can say with certainty that if anyone ever laid a finger on my kid like that, I would kill them. Is it right? Not likely, I'd go to prison for certain. Kidnapper!=child molester. Kidnapping is heinous...but not to the degree of sexual abuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted March 13, 2003 Very very very good news But, a thread this old should be laid to rest with such happiness. Closing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
