A port too far.

[Nicholas 5]

Sorry missed that after reading the diatribes over the consoles .. .. ..

G

No problem, just agreeing with you and informing we had the same views. :P

[Gazzareth 1]

Absolutely not.

Console 'ports' are of lower quality and depth, if I 'dislike' them its purely because of this.

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You can do one or the other well or try and do both badly.

BI's user base is going to be made up of PC users, that's a no brainer some will go for it many many more won't.

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Like I said if your a primarily a PC developer and you take on a remake of a PC game, then say okie PC users were going to remake it what in heck do you think people are going to be expecting at the end of it?

Sorry, but that is utter rubbish - have you even seen / heard of BF3 ?? Which is the only "PORT" that I play and the lead platform on that was switched to consoles in the development stage.... It is still stunning on the PC.

I would expect a PC developer to try and spread it's portfolio out to a much wider user base than just the niche PC market - at least if they want to stay in business. But since it was clearly stated on the site and mentioned in the YouTube videos well before the BETA came out, it did not come as a surprise.

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[Dajunka 10]

Nothing like jumping on the bandwagon, I take it you are NOT the same Dajunka that said:::

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It seems to me that a few people in the thread have more of a problem with the FACT the game is going to be ported TO consoles rather than the game itself.

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Narr, that was my younger brother. :p

It was a good start, but nothing progressed. It is basically the same game now as the day I bought it, just a few bug fixes. I feel confident that if it was PC only game, that it's depth would have increased dramatically, but as a console port it's stagnant.

[Hawk Firestorm 10]

Nothing wrong with expanding into new markets but you have to be careful how you do it, but on the whole the idea of convergence is just plain daft.

As for BF3 yes I have, being more of a console game its not my taste and that to me occupies the middle ground between the two platforms that being FPS, the one genre that both do very well, but the instances where this occurs and it does turn out well are very few and far between, so yes the PC has and always will be the higher bar, because it has the power scope and flexibility consoles don't have open to them along with the input method.

Games that were developed for the PC then adapted to the console seem to be of better quality but those the other way round don't, because your converting from a limited platform to one that isn't and who's customers tastes mirror the platform they are using.

But regardless, I've made my point I don't think the product is inline with what I would want or indeed expect, and I don't think its going remotely in the right direction, the choices made to accomodate it on the console have comprimised it and I think degraded it because of the limitations of one of the target platforms, and needlessly.

It feels hollow a simple fly this manta to here blow a few buildings send in the walrus, empty and rather vapid, and the strategic options haven't been expanded upon nor indeed has the game been brought upto the level of the original never mind exceeded it, with the exception of the graphics.

Which is a pity, because there was both the hardware and the scope to do so available, but not the imagination will or tallent apprently.

I don't think this game will be one people will be talking about in 10 years time but yet another game forgotten about 2 weeks after its release, and from the people that made Arma and the community its created well that's just sad in itself.

So yes out of all the options available they picked up the big ball of fluff, and utterly fluffed it.

Edited May 22, 2012 by Hawk Firestorm

[Nicholas 5]

Welcome to 2012, Hawk Firestorm. Where most people do not have money to buy a good gaming computer, most would rather spend money on a console and not have to worry if a game will run or not. People like the simplicity so they have more time to do other more important things, rather than worrying if the game was developed for Xbox then ported to the PC. I suggest you'd better get used to it, or else you will just be wasting your time. Sure, you can say "If you go with the flow, then nothing will ever change." Well, it seems most people just don't care if a game was developed for PC then ported to Xbox or PS3, vice versa. There are too many people that just don't give a hoot, they enjoy the game for what it is, not where it came from. Why do you think that most developers do choose to develop for the console rather than PC first? Because that's where the majority of the people are, that's where the most money is to be made. With the majority of possible players being on consoles, of course BIS will want to make the console experience as best as possible. The PC players don't matter as much, you are still important to them, but just not as much.

Also, I don't know if you've ever noticed my signature. It's a quote from Suma.

"Regarding the people telling you vocally what you should and should not do, well, you can do the same that has proven extremely healthy to us during development: Dogs bark but the caravan goes on." - Suma

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Here is a quote from Marek Španěl, the CEO, talking about working on consoles.

For our development team this project forced us to handle various things differently, especially to be more organized and, in the end, this was beneficial for the growth of the company. Developing for a console means that there are many more regulations and compliance procedures. These can cause delays on the one hand, but forced us to streamline, polish and optimize on the other hand. We were also able to identify our technology's bottlenecks when applied to a fixed (and often less powerful than PC) hardware platform. These were all lessons we try to bring forward with us into the future.

Edited May 22, 2012 by Nicholas

[Hawk Firestorm 10]

Most PC's out of the box these days are good gaming computers.

Sure you can get specialised kit but the vast majority even most laptops are fully gaming capable and have been for many years.

As for 'Niche' market there's more Pc's users on this planet than there ever will be Console, Ask microsoft, If the PC market has indeed becomea niche its because of lazy and shoddy developement, and the pursuit of greed over quality, where the bottom line has become more important than what you set out to create.

I'll give it to marek he can turn a phrase, the main reasons for developing on consoles are pretty simple, its easier and cheaper to develope for such a unified platform, and of course Piracy, though tbh I most definately attribute the rise in a good portion of that to a backlash by consumers tired of getting ripped off though obviously not all.

Its a unified platform and by comparison is like comparing a painting by numbers kit to Micheal Angelo. Does it have advantages absolutely, but it has massive pitfalls as well, the effects of which are clearly evident and the effect its had on the industry and the quality and diversecity of products being offered, it puts everything on railtracks and that's not a good place to be to innovate, something I've seen very little of over the past 10 years.

But anyway this wasn't a thread about the the benefits of Consoles v PC's, it was a thread about the game having good graphics, (and while I'm on the subject I'd like to say so far this is one area of this product I've actually seen some incling of any real tallent) and little depth in the gameplay dept, which feels rather empty and uninspired me being a old PC user, I've certainly seen better, and I certainly think BI is more than capable of doing better.

[Nicholas 5]

As for 'Niche' market there's more Pc's users on this planet than there ever will be Console, Ask microsoft, If the PC market has indeed becomea niche its because of lazy and shoddy developement, and the pursuit of greed over quality, where the bottom line has become more important than what you set out to create.

Of course there are more PC/Windows users. But how many of them would you consider "gamers" that would play a game like Carrier Command? It's not the PC/Windows market that is niche, it is the PC gaming market that is much smaller than the console gaming market. Just look at those sales numbers that Gazzareth posted.

[Machine77 1]

Of course there are more PC/Windows users. But how many of them would you consider "gamers" that would play a game like Carrier Command? It's not the PC/Windows market that is niche, it is the PC gaming market that is much smaller than the console gaming market. Just look at those sales numbers that Gazzareth posted.

Those were retail sales. Most pc gamers buy games digitally nowadays. Hell I can't even remember the last pc game I bought in a store.

I read an interesting article that predicts PC games will outsell the console market within the next 2 years. However, what we pc gamers will get might be horrible ports. Rumor has it the next-gen gaming consoles will be far inferior to pc's compared to current gen when they premiered. That certainly won't help matters.

Like I said before, don't look to AAA game developers to bring us something great and innovative, its more likely going to come from indie game developers.

http://wraltechwire.com/business/tech_wire/news/blogpost/10174154/

[Nicholas 5]

Like I said before, don't look to AAA game developers to bring us something great and innovative, its more likely going to come from indie game developers.

This is your first post, isn't it?

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Those were retail sales. Most pc gamers buy games digitally nowadays. Hell I can't even remember the last pc game I bought in a store.

I read an interesting article that predicts PC games will outsell the console market within the next 2 years. However, what we pc gamers will get might be horrible ports. Rumor has it the next-gen gaming consoles will be far inferior to pc's compared to current gen when they premiered. That certainly won't help matters.

Carrier Command is being released at the end of this year. Not in two years, those stats don't matter right now.