theduke77

what are you, shatten reborn....Dwarden said, while it might be true, you still need to keep it how it was, and the future. If the possibility of attachments is there, why remove it in all...its not like you can use attachments in arma 2 anyways. And like you said, you use ACE to make your bubble float....keep using it, and stop messing with the default game because of "realism" that only a few peple want. Im so glad i dropped my arma 3 servers. I wont have to deal with this idiotic behavior of realism in a freaking game thts 8 years old... Grow up people. want to make a game realistic, then go to arma 3 where its actually still being developed.

thats my point. We are pions, we must voice our voice more than once to actually be heard. Sending a PM isnt going to change anything, because they got the message in this thread, but decided to insult instead of accepting it and trying to figure out a solution. And you are right with the fact that, the yare "devs", its hard to win. This thread reminds me of the Steven Avery conviction. So much blatant proof of misconduct, yet nothing is done about it. But again, we are pions fighting the system that has power.

I understand this isnt a place for private wars. But i wouldnt feel the need to express with enthusiasm that schatten has done nothing but fuel the fire and initially started it. And also the major part of the dev team purposely fail to acknowledge his insults. Which in the end shows what they are about. They really dont care. They only care for their opinion of "realism". And as far as reverting the update, yes very much so possible. I have it reverted. But do you think every player that joins my servers have the update reverted? no they dont...and that causes lag because of RPT spam. And reverting the updated does not revert schattens insults towards the community.

Hmmmm so i guess if english isnt your first language you are allowed to insult people. I get your logic, just like arma logic. Well im french, does that give me the right to call him a crying baby because he didnt like the criticism he received from the community. go ahead and quote one thing that goliath said that was immature, you wont find any because that is how a mature dev acts. now should i go quote all the things shatten said as insults.. i think you know already..anyways arma has gone down the drain after this lol so to speak. and here is a response from dwarden, meaning keep it coming, the devs will deal with the backlash (because thats part of being a dev) Now after that post, schatten calms down.....hmmmm i wonder if someone warned him...well judging by that post i think he did get a warning, that hey, wait a minute, if you are a dev and release crap updates, you are gona get backlash....time to wake up and smell the code And you want to say im immature and insulting...well put yourself im my shoes... Devving servers for a while, a arma 2 game. To have the devs insults the MAJORITY of the community like that is uncalled for. This company has shown such lack for their caring of its people that keep it alive. ive decided to part with arma. but shcatten picks back up with his insults and his OMGs and realism argument.... He needs to be removed from the team. he is very immature. Im tempted to report this to the BBB. Bohemia is a company, with some staff that lack the respect towards the community that has made it what it is. and if you think schatten had every right to insult the majority of the players. then you have a problem.

i really facepalmed at this answer....how can someone so immature be allowed to dev. Look at the answers from goliath. Those are mature answers. Im tempted to go through this thread and point out / quote all the childish behavior and answers schatten has given to the community. He should be removed from the dev team without questions until he can prove maturity. He stopped posting for a while, most likely because he was told to relax (obviously). Then when im done that ill find forums to share this thread on. To show how bad bohemia picks their devs. Remove his immature ars from the team and be done with it.

LOLz then you did not read the thread or failed to leave that part out. thats what started the whole argument. the "realism" part, specially when they told us to suck it up... GO and read, i dare ya...or if you want i can take some time and go quote the posts!!!!

lets just hope for your sake the 10% can keep arma alive... OHHH thats right only the 10% matter... sorry i forgot. GL and have fun. Im off this banwagon

looks like behemia isnt responsible, but they weill feel the loss of active players, trust me. im one of them

ahh ok, so you are also stating that mods dont matter even though thats what made arma 2... but its ok to be in denial. cause i really dont care what happens with bohemia further on. after seeing a dev can insult players after players complained about the minigun issue, even after you agreed that it shouldnt of happened. yet you still fall behind the devs. I would like to see where you learn your logic lol ohhh thats right, arma flawgic haha GG Ok so the mods make up 90% of the arma community the remaining 10% is sole arma 2 players. But your logic is to make the 90% adapt the the recent core changes. instead of having the 10% download their opinion of realism in a mod or optional update. you know 2+2=4 not 0. You are going backwards in your logic, if you have any

same goes for you, you're not right for telling the majority to suck it up. You know im starting to believe this 10% deserves it LOL wow And again you are ONLY discussing the fact the did bug fixes and spent volunteer hours on this. Well, i've spent countless hours (yes volunteer) myself running servers. Im one of the many keeping arma 2 alive. As a matter of fact im one of the most popular pve servers in dayz mod. (not many left) So am i angry they are willing to spend time and fix bugs? not at all, im also glad people are willing to spend time on this game. Am I angry that they insulted us when were voiced our opinons about the "realism" update that actually also messed up alot of core variables. Of course im angry that I spent countless hours and many others and they do this. Your argument has no point, when you only talk about the time they spent working on this. Thats just scratching the surface of what was part of the update. and dont forget about the 70%

Then if thats the case, behemia should of never realeased tools to create mods or allowed players to create mods in the first place. But without mods behemia would of never been what it is today. So ok, lets remove the mods. GG. and lets ALL play jsut arma 2 LOLz

the devs arnt even responding to this thread anymore. I honestly think this ridiculous "patch" was to push people to arma 3. Luckily for behemia i already have it, otherwise i would of never bought it after this "realism" and bug patch. Stick with bug fixes, not what you think is realism, devs. they obviously dont care for the majority. and the players that are behind the devs in this argument, try to actually think of the majority too, not just what you like, or how you use mil dots, but what the community likes and we obviously didnt ask for "realism" fixes, based on your opinion. Because after all without a community, theres no profit. If you think that only the people here are the people that are frustrated at the update, you are wrong LOL. i dare you to visit servers and talk to admins and server owners and ask them how much of a headache this update has caused them. and of course the players experiencing many new bugs, worst ones than before. And well the only thing I can say as a server owner is, I link them here :) or tell them what kind of update you actually did. How did you expect players to react when you slowed down a SUV offroad when they are already too slow. When someone creates a mod specifically to make them more realistic, faster. You make them slower. It does not add up. (when i say "you", i mean the devs)

everything you said is true, about updating a game. but this is not what the corepatch did. The corepatch did partially what you mentioned. Obviously you didnt read the whole thread, otherwise you would of noticed the insults the community got coming directly from devs. Someones opinion towards realism was the other part of the corepatch. Don't believe me? Read the thread again about the part with the venom, going back and forth changing his story. And why would you change core variables in the first place. Slow down SUV because its more realistic in a fews opinion, when in REALITY they are too slow. Hence why people created mods to make alot of the stuff more realistic. Basically its a old game and leave it alone. Want to add new stuff, do it to the newer game, arma 3. Your argument is so vague. All you talk about is "updating the game" In this case it wasnt just updating the game, it was also what a few people wanted as what they thought was realistic. when in reality its not for most of the stuff.

Thanks for calling me a crazy person LOL but i know my points were valid and make sense. In no way you can compare GTA to arma, but if they want to bring realism as a topic..lets debate it LOL we could be here till arma 5 comes out. (probly gona skip 4 because its too close to 3 and 3 is horrible) LOL sound familiar? cough cough 8 to 10. Have you ever heard of "theres 3 kind of people that tell the truth" Kids, drunk people and angry people. I think everyone can figure out which one most of the players in this thread are leaning towards.

you know i agree with bug fixes, but if we wouldnt of been called babies or said that were crying when all we did was started by voicing our opinions. Started with the venom, but his story quickly changed...so its hard to not be frustrated, when the person that works on the corepatch, to fix updates on such a popular game becomes so immature. Schatten should be removed from the BI team. Read the rules i quoted. and as we all know, who was insulting who. This update was part bug fix and part "i want this (as in 10%) fix" because its more realistic..... so yes if you plan to fix bugs...why would we get mad and of course there is alot we dont see. But, there is alot of problems this patch caused...and yesss i know we are modders, not important enough to have a word in without getting insutled...what happened to the grown ups??? No way shatten at such young age can say he knows all this much about "realism" in the battlefield