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@Rellikki You locked my thread "9/11 Ten Year Anniversary " without any legitimate reason specified. Let see how cowardly you are, if you lock or if you leave this thread open. This should be interesting. The thread was intended solely to honor the victims of 9/11, but you have apparently a more accurate idea of ​​what really happened that day than those who actually did the official investigations. Note that I did not write a single line of 'own theories, "but only posted a few quotes from the official 9/11 commissioners themselves. Not Charlie Sheen :rolleyes: Apparently you do not respect free speech and to have a different opinion than your own is apparently breaking the forum rules. I find it hard to believe that BIS accept such behavior from forum moderators. If so, I will refrain from using the official forum again and BIS will probably loose a customer in the process. Signing out.

In respect of the victims of the attack & the victims of the wars that followed. Never forget. "I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history." - 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up". - former (resigned) 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland "I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job." - CIA veteran Raymond McGovern http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/11/21/cleland/index.html?pn=1 http://www.democracynow.org/2004/3/23/the_white_house_has_played_cover http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070922_seven_cia_veterans_c.htm http://patriotsquestion911.com/ "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Thomas Jefferson

Are you seriously using Wikipedia as a source? That is like using any forum, including this one as a source :rolleyes: So it's a war zone now? But it's not a war on the behalf of NATO? Is it a civil war? The rebels said themselves they would not last for 2 days without NATO support. Does that sound like a civil war to you? In one of the videos I posted you can see civilians, women and children picking up weapons to fight NATO and the rebels. Not the Libyan legitimate forces. It's not the Libyan people who started this but a small number of armed rebels of which some are members of al-Qaida. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html Do you think "UN Resolution 1973" is giving them unlimited power to bomb any country, kill any leader and overthrow the regime in any country? Do you think that only using "air power" is a legitimate reason for not calling it a "war"? What if we start using ballistic nuclear missiles? That's not a war either because you have "no boots on the ground". :rolleyes: Western countries and US / NATO have no right to overthrow the regime in Libya. Libya signed the Geneva conventions. Ghadaffi gave up on this WMD program. Libya never threatened any neighboring countries and most definitely not the US or any European countries. Libya was not a threat to global stability. In a way you are just a victim of propaganda. The Top Ten Myths in the War Against Libya. http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/31/the-top-ten-myths-in-the-war-against-libya/

Still posting speculations with no references or sources? Definition of "quote". 1. To repeat or copy the words of (another), usually with acknowledgment of the source. 2. To cite or refer to for illustration or proof. You can "lol" or argue all you want. It's like arguing that someone is stupid for saying that "only two things are infinite" when in fact that someone was simply quoting Albert Einstein. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - A.Einstein :rolleyes:

Holy crap I just started playing Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I don't have time for another sandbox type of game and be able to satisfy my Arma abstinence :D Is it really that good? Oh and BTW what do you mean "shaky launch"?

Precisely, but then there are also powerful business interests in play that actually "benefits" from this war and especially if it is prolonged, and who also benefits from post war with reconstruction contracts and such. Maybe that is why NATO is bombing Libyan infrastructure? :rolleyes: "This is clearly not a war on part of the Libyan people against their government, but a war on the part of NATO to exploit the resources of Libya ... They had a meeting to discuss the future of Libya in Paris. This meeting did not take place in Africa. It did not take place in Libya. It took place in Europe and this is nothing but an attempt to neo-colonize North Africa and they are beginning with Libya which have the most lucrative resources in Africa and the highest living standard in Africa. So this is clearly an act of force removal and regime change." - Political analyst and expert in Africa, Abayomi Azikiwe, RT. I have a question for you. I wonder who you are willing to bet is the most credible during times such as this. Is it the pro western main stream media or alternative media with nothing to loose that is actually going forward with reports from investigative reporters on the ground and who are confronting eyewitnesses and the Libyan people? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuxI_iW222k http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=NKgMeHq8VGg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEo21gVJFc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P08CVqrhuAU

I'm with you. Actually I have been waiting for years for a VR type headset, preferably with 3D and head tracking. Imagine that on a monster PC and Arma III. I think I would have to quit my job to get enough time with it :D

You just don't get it. Nobody here is supporting Ghadaffi. He threatened to attack Europe as a revenge for the NATO bombings for crying out loud. I don't blame him but, I wouldn't exactly support him either :p The point being, US / NATO forces have no right to take sides in this conflict and to overthrow the regime. Did Libya attack the US? Did Ghadaffi even threaten to do so? I think not. So if this is the role of the UN, then why not liberate the Chinese from Hu Jintao? Why don't we demonize Kim Jong II and bomb North Korea? I bet these guys are a lot worse then Ghadaffi :D

Holy crap dude :eek: I take it you never bothered to click the link. I'm not the one saying that the Jamahiriya is a democratic system. Those are the claims of Ghadaffi himself and the Libyan people. Why don't you ask them about how the system works? :rolleyes: I understand your approach. You are simply not informed. What I am about to say here is not my personal views or claims. Just so we are clear on this. In reality the political system in the US is a one party system. You hear a lot of talk about "change" and especially during election campaigns, but in reality only administrations change but the policies don't. To better understand why I suggest you first look at this interview with congressman Ron Paul from 1988 where he explains how the political system in the US really is a one party system and why the real policy makers are beyond the reach of the democratic system. Ron Paul - The American Power Structure, 1988. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4245169480003136735# or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDEgBWO54dA I take it you have watched the full interview before reading on eh? So what is this power structure that Ron Paul is talking about you may ask. Well it's not so hidden actually. The real policy makers are a mixed bag of corporate leaders, super wealthy individuals and descendants of certain bloodlines such as the Rothschilds. The latter is a prime example of the European banking dynasties that have been around for a long time and whom are often shareholders in big banks including the Federal Reserve system, the US central bank. The feds is not a government institution but a privately own corporation of which many are not even American citizens. These people tend to meet on a regular basis, in secret, and they often invite political leaders from all over the world. They are most commonly known as the Bilderbergers. You may have heard about them? If not well that's because there is no media coverage of these meetings even though there are some very high profile and news worthy figures attending those meetings, some of which are Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, Bill Clinton, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, Fu Ying (Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs), Paul-Henri Spaak (former Prime Minister and Secretary General of NATO) and many others including from my country; Carl Bildt, Anders Borg, Maud Olofsson, Mona Sahlin and Fredrik Reinfeldt (Prime Minister). How many in Sweden know about these meetings? Hardly a soul :j: "You know, by the time you become the leader of a country, someone else makes all the decisions." - Bill Clinton "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings ... Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed ... For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence. On infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations ... And so it is to the printing press, to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news, that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent." - John F. Kennedy, April 27 1961 (The President and the Press: American Newspaper Publishers Association Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, New York.) What JFK was talking about is something too monstrous for the common man to comprehend. It's simply unthinkable that a conspiracy of such scale can exist, and that is why it is so successful. Pretty much like how former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover elegantly put it himself "The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." Hoover was also in the Warren Commission that investigated the JFK assassination. Go figure :rolleyes: So if there is a "conspiracy" at work among this "elite" then why hasn't someone on the inside exposed it? The answer is, someone has. Quote "Dr. Carrol Quigley a professor of history at Georgetown University, is by his own boast, an insider with a front row view of the worlds money power structure. In his book "Tragedy and Hope" he cautiously exposed one of the best kept secrets of all time." The Capitalist Conspiracy: An Inside view of International Banking by G Edward Griffin, 1969. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6260646431723948415# or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H99C4JEq80 Just watch it. It's not a perfect presentation but Edward Griffin is on the right track and he use very credible sources. Remember he did it over 40 years ago. The bottom line is this; Nothing is black or white and it's not a little naive to think of the US / NATO to be some kind of charitable organization bent on helping the world without something being gained in the process. It doesn't work that way. What we are witnessing in Libya is but a tiny part of a massive plot that is unfolding from behind the scenes. A "conspiracy" if you wish, but that is matter of definition. It's just business really. So am I opposed to all this? Yes and no. I simply don't know enough about it to form an opinion, but that is part the problem really. The fact that all this happens from behind the scenes is threatening the credibility of the democratic system. These are elected politicians and the people have a right to know what their representatives are up to, and especially when they are dealing with leaders from other countries. Don't you think? If no then I wonder what your definition of a democracy is.

You have a point. Most of us however are not constantly on the hunt for a new mate :rolleyes: People spend a lot of time pursuing various passions and interests. May it be playing war games, fishing, hunting, climbing or racing. Where is the sexual connection in that I wonder. Sure a bachelors perception of reality is a little different from someone who have been married for 30 years (not referring to me).

No worries you did an interesting analysis. I disagree however. I don't think that sexuality is the primary driving force behind peoples actions in life. What would the world look like if that was true :D I think prestige and possibly subconscious ideals is the main motivation behind what most people do in life. For example women tend to pursue their childhood dreams of a big marriage no matter the consequences. The desire to make a successful career is also a very strong motivational force. Power, wealth and influence.. the usual stuff. Luckily we also have people who simply strive to become better human beings and who don't value materialistic things as much. What most people seem to forget however is that none of these things are really important. These goals are rarely key to happiness. It's the journey that is really important. We all have dreams and hopes about what we would like to do and experience before we die. What if you suddenly realize you have wasted all your life to pursue those goals and never really lived? What a sinister awakening that would be. John Lennon was right. "Life is a ride".

That is excellent news! Keep up the good work :D

It was a second post. The forum adds to your previous post automatically within a certain timeframe. You should know. That is exactly what I said. Twice. Check again :rolleyes: YouTube is not a source. It's a service widely used by alternative media and journalists from all over the world. There are more to see than just cat videos :D I know what happened. What I said is US/NATO have no right to overthrow the regime in Libya and that Ghadaffi have a lot of support in both Libya and around the globe. As for the rest, I don't give a sh** to be frank. Al Jazeera is not alterative media but biased just like CNN or CBS. If you choose to believe the propaganda these channels put out in times of war, that is up to you. Yanks can be fed with incredible amounts of bullshit. It's different here. Donald Trump was right when he said "The world laughs at us." ---------- Post added at 11:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:25 PM ---------- WTF ... nobody is expecting you to understand it buddy, least the Libyan people. It's obvious you didn't read the discussion prior to posting :j: All I see is a lot of speculations on your behalf and no references or sources to back it up. Don't even think about addressing me without properly reading the discussion first.

I was referring to your previous post (#76) that I choose to ignore. Check previous reply for "evidence" :rolleyes: Clearly you misunderstood my question. I didn't ask for evidence of civilian casualties. Read it again.

Not as much "claims" as common knowledge. Feel free to disprove what I say instead of relying on personal attacks. Being an idiot is nothing to brag about. Your point being? What was the purpose of the UN resolution again? Enlighten me. "Since Nato started bombing, Gaddafi support and approval ratings have actually soared to about 85 per cent. Of the 2,335 tribes in Libya, over 2,000 are still pledging their allegiance to the embattled president." - Scott Taylor, thechronicleherald.ca http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/83092,news-comment,news-politics,dont-underestimate-libyan-support-for-colonel-gaddafi http://www.presstv.ir/detail/185602.html http://libyarevolt.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/support-of-the-libyan-people-for-colonel-gaddafi/ < Civilians arm themselves

Information about the current situation in Libya is sketchy at best. I wonder where you got that information? :rolleyes: The green gathering was in early July and a lot have happened since then. Still, to claim that a majority of the Libyan people support Ghadaffi is in fact a little modest. He is tremendously popular in all of Africa and have friends all over the world, including Nelson Mandela who called him "one of the 20th century's greatest freedom fighters". For example when war broke out in Uganda, Congo, Ethiopia, Eritrea.. Ghadaffi negotiated cease fires as part of his long held dream of unifying the continents of Africa. A dream that made him quite a few enemies. In fact he is pretty good at provoking and making enemies :p Here is a rather entertaining clip: Back to the point. NATO has no legal right to take sides in a "civila war". US/NATO have no right to overthrow the regime in Libya! That was not part of the UN resolution! The day NATO manages to kill Ghadaffi and his sons we are going to be bombarded with NATO-glorifying propaganda in main stream media. Think of it what you will but it's probably not a good thing for the Libyan people or Africa as a whole and certainly nothing to be celebrated. This is the last comment I'm doing on this subject. I'm not Libyan or African or Muslim.. I simply don't care enough :p Besides taking sides in a conflict you don't know enough about is kind of pointless, and possibly dangerous considering the risk of spreading harmful misinformation.

Brilliant mission! Classic Battlefield 1942 style with tickets. In fact I got instant BF1942 "tobruk" nostalgic vibes from trying out the desert map :D If you add the possibility to put AI under your command, then it have potential to become one of the best large scale instant action missions around.

epic :D

Hellyeah

War is fascinating business for those who never experienced it IRL. The popularity of war games is probably due to a general curiosity and a subconscious desire to understand what people experience during the heat of battle. Personally I prefer Arma for the problem solving aspect of it. I tend to enjoy strategy and tactical war games simply because they help me relax and stop thinking about work :p I don't consider Arma to be a "violent game" like for example the GTA series. It's more down to earth and realistic. In Arma you suffer the consequences for lacking tactics and common sense. In that regard I consider BIS to be a more mature and responsible developer then most. I also admire BIS integrity for keeping the Flashpoint formula intact (despite Codemasters attempt to destroy it). BIS experience in the field from working with military and armed forces, developing training tools (VBS) parallel to Arma puts them in a unique situation where they can keep developing detailed and rich military simulations such as Arma, that is appreciated by both military and civilians from all over the world.

I'm getting this next week and really looking fw to it :D Any news about A.I. and fps performance on large maps?

Sure. I'm not going to argue that you are wrong, I'm just saying that Ghadaffi is supported by a majority of the Libyan people. Do you think this massive "green gathering" would have been possible if Ghadaffi actually had "killed unarmed civilians"? It was not a peaceful protest against the regime but a well organized and armed uprising. The same thing would have happened in any nation. It's like with the "ship to Gaza" incident where Israel is being bashed for defending themselves against aggressive "activists" that jumped Israeli soldiers and bashed the crap out of them with weapons. It was obviously planned ahead to provoke Israel and give them bad PR. It succeeded. I'm not a big fan of Ghadaffi but US and NATO have no right to overthrow the regime in Libya. Considering NATO is responsible for thousands of civilian casualties, many of which are women and children, I have to say they failed the UN resolution miserably and should withdraw all forces. If the purpose of all this was to protect civilians that is, which I doubt. Regardless of what I have said here, I'm not anti American. Actually I am pro USA and even pro Israel. I don't like being lied to however and I'm worried about how things within the American power structure work. The potential for misplaced power is very real. Pretty much how Eisenhower elegantly put it when he warned about the MIC in his farewell address to the nation on January 17, 1961. "... In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together." ---------- Post added at 10:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:50 AM ---------- That is very true. It's incredibly dangerous to generalize other people's opinion on political issues based solely on what they learn from mainstream media. "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." - Albert Einstein. 9/11 is a good example of this. People seem to forget that the official theory in fact is a "conspiracy theory". The problem is, not even the 9/11 commissioners themselves really believe in it. Over 60% openly said that, in agreement with Pentagon and the White House they where told not to tell the whole truth about what really happened. The investigation was stonewalled and they where denied access to key witnesses and documents. Former senator Max Cleland resigned from the commission calling it a "national scandal". After the White House set conditions for the examination of documents Cleland said, "If this decision stands, I, as a member of the commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised." So why should the American people, family members of victims "and the world" believe the official "conspiracy theory" put forward by the 9/11 commission? They don't deserve a new independent investigation of this event, the biggest attack on American soil in history? Really? The cover-up is pretty damn obvious too. For example the official story regarding the attack on Pentagon have been questioned by thousands of professional aviators and pilots from all over the world. Still, the FBI confiscated all tapes from surveillance camera around the area of Pentagon only a few hours after the attack. Not only Pentagons own surveillance cameras but from nearby hotels, gas stations and such. Why? These tapes can prove what really happened so why not release them? There can only be one reason for this. They don't want you to see what really happened :j: Then you have thousands of professional architects, engineers and demolition experts from all over the world, of which the most famous of them "Danny Joweko" who recently died in a carcrash (no witnesses) openly questioned the collapse of building 7 (WTC7) and claimed it had to be a controlled demolition. He was sure of it. WTC7 was not hit by a plane. It had slight asymmetrical damage caused by falling debris, but still collapsed symmetrically at free fall speed = no resistance. Considering the building was a steel skyscraper made up with thousands of tons of constructional steel, that is more then a little strange. In fact both FEMA and NIST failed to explain it and even tried to cover up the fact that WTC7 fell at free fall, but later had to admit they where wrong. NIST never investigated into the possibility of a controlled demolition and the 9/11 commission never mentioned this building in the report. Not a word. OK so I have probably said enough about this. I don't want to die in a car crash :p Move along, nothing to see here.

Oh snap another thread.. I simply can't ignore.. must.. fight.. urge.. Ahh.. to hell with it Regarding Ron Paul. He is the only one in congress with a clue these days. Not that congress is making much difference anymore, as the president apparently can take orders from the UN without even addressing congress. The constitution is being totally trashed :j: Ron Paul have been trying to open up some eyes for a very long time and it's only just recently that ppl start to listen. If you guys are interested about the real American power structure then you should watch this, still very relevant interview from 1988, part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDEgBWO54dA It's a good start. Enjoy.

Revolution? I take it nobody bothered to watch the clip :plain:

I didn't know the BIS forum was used for political intrigues and conspiracy theories :p However, in regard of the war in Libya (although it's not really a "war" according to them because they don't have troops on the ground xD) it's clearly a serious war crime in progress and a complete humanitarian disaster. More importantly, there is no revolution! It's all lies. As many of you already know both MI6 and CIA are "on the ground" directing air strikes against both civilian and military targets. Civilian casualties are up to 30.000 and rising. What was the purpose of the UN resolution again? *DOH* A lot of people seem to think that US and NATO is some kind of charitable organization on a mission to save the Libyan people from a tyrannical dictator. Anyone who know a little about Gaddafi know how absurd that really is, and it is proof of how powerful media really is. For example, quote "Libyans are entitled to free treatment, and their hospitals provide the best in the world of medical equipment. Education in Libya is free, capable young people have the opportunity to study abroad at government expense. When marrying, young couples receive 60,000 Libyan dinars (about 50,000 US dollars) of financial assistance. Non-interest state loans, and as practice shows, undated. Due to government subsidies the price of cars is much lower than in Europe, and they are affordable for every family. Gasoline and bread cost a penny, no taxes for those who are engaged in agriculture." Nobody can argue that Libya is a sovereign nation with vast natural resources and wealth. In the eyes of the international globalist elite however, Gaddafi is a very dangerous man who can threaten the stability of world financial systems. To better understand this I suggest you read the article "Libya all about oil, or central banking?" by Ellen Brown http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html It is not difficult to provoke a mob of angry Muslims and persuade them to turn against your enemies. In fact it's a common tactic used by the CIA. In the 80:s they recruited and trained thousands of Mujahideen and used them to fight off the Russians in Afghanistan. They also recruited Osama Bin Laden and financed, with help from Saudi Arabia, the fighting force who later became the well known "al-Qaida". They where first called Mujahideens and "freedom fighters", but that later changed to Talibans and "terrorist" (and perhaps now they are called rebels?). This is all a historical record. CIA was responsible for creating this nifty network of fundamentalist ideologists under their command, that had no apparent organization, no HQ, no real leader = no weakness. "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians." - former Brittish foreign secretary, Robert Finlayson Cook. It's no surprise then that Gaddafi early on claimed that the rebels was organized by al-Qaida. That fact was later confirmed by rebel leader Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html So here you have US and NATO arming and supporting al-Qaida in Libya at the same time al-Qaida are killing Americans in Afghanistan. In fact they even brag about it according to some sources. This should indeed get you very worried, and very pissed off. No? So what really started this? All Gaddafi did was defending himself and his country from this illegal uprising, caused by "armed" troublemakers directly influenced by western intelligence agencies. Mainstream media around the world was filled with propaganda about how Gaddafi was shooting and bombing unarmed civilians. Russia however who have satellites covering Libyan ground and air space, openly question these alleged attacks and have not seen any evidence of such attacks taking place. Media also addressed the terrorist acts in Europe traced to Libya (some bomb in a disco) but forgot to mention the fact Gaddafi actually handed over the culprits and also paid generous compensation to the families of the victims. Thats about all the "real" dirt they could find on Gaddafi's 42 year rule. Terrifying fella no doubt xD So why is it taking so long? The reason is very simple. There is NO REVOLUTION! The majority of the Libyan people support Gaddafi. Understand this, the Libyans had their revolution over 40 years ago when Gaddafi liberated Libya from monarchy and replaced it with a democratic system called the Jamahiriya (that puts ours to shame): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDdBYsAzA8 That's why Gaddafi during the beginning on this conflict could drive around on the streets of Tripoli in an open car, completely unprotected, waving to his people that ran in masses behind the car cheering. If you still think Gaddafi is a tyrannical dictator suppressing his people then just look at this supporters! In July over a million Libyans gathered on the streets to protest against NATO and to support Gaddafi. The people created a 4.5km long flag to honor him. People on the street said things like; Go to hell Obama, we are not afraid of you! We are with Muammar Gaddafi! All the Libyan people are with Muammar Gaddafi! There is no revolution! < Message to Obamahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST0VV46-iBA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvXNo81fyMo Naturally this event was not covered in the main stream news. You may ask yourself why that is. Looks like NATO bombs will have to do the talking some more. Libyans are really stubborn people :/