spaceBeluga

Thank you for starting up this early!

Nice and all but sadly you can still see through corners with it =/ edit: If he could tweak it a bit more closer to one of the shoulders, I'd be fine with it. Looks promising.

This so much. Most newcomers just don't understand this is a milSim, not a regular FPS. There were people on some other thread complaining that you couldn't easily enter a car. They wanted to run to a vehicle, barely touching it, press a button and instantly appear inside, ready to ride. The controls are fine since I've first tried ArmA II, you just gotta open your mind and give it a chance. It's pretty 'natural' after you master the basics.

Yea, because every simulator out there has pvp right? You are unbelievable. We're talking PVP-ONLY. Don't you think it's completely surreal, given the context of the game (milsim) when people can use the third person camera to look around corners when even arcade fps like Battlefield, Counter-Strike, Call of Duty restrict this kind of EXPLOIT (woo, forbidden word right?)? It doesn't make any sense. Isn't Arma is supposed to be realistic? Do you think it's realistic to do the 3rd person camera trick?

I'm sure these people are just denying/pretending not to see the obvious because they just like watching their character in 3rd person. How can one say that using 3rd person to see through a variety of obstacles doesn't hurt pvp is beyond me.

Please, stop spamming the "it's not an exploit, it's a feature" button in every comment. No, Bohemia will not remove 3rd person from the game, rest assured. Who asks for this is completely retarded/out of his mind. Stop shaking that flag so vigorously, will you?

You are correct, I know the only solution is to join a server with proper realism setings, but my main problem with it is the HUGE inclination of the playerbase towards this kind of gameplay. My fear is that 1st person servers will become rarer and rarer (a pvp example: Try finding say like, DayZ servers with realism settings. I just tried on DayZ Commander, and it shows 18 servers without 3rd person out of 6061 found) and that Bohemia will eventually tend to adjust their games to this kind of playerbase. My posts in this thread are an attempt to make people see it from another angle, not convince them to play the style I like the most. edit: Missed some words.

Most people don't realize they actually just preordered the game (with a discount) but with the ability to play it as it develops. Or do you just prefer to preorder and wait 6 months until the game is released?

Although it's completely stupid to even think about removing the damn feature from the game, i disagree with you. It IS an exploit that breaks pvp IMHO, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a feature many people like, obviously. But do you guys really think it doesn't hurt pvp AT ALL? Really? I mean, I thought I was pointing to the elefant in the room. It is clearly a feature that is completely out of place in the pvp context. Even most arcade shooters don't have this option at all, but you all think it's ok in a military simulator? Makes little sense to me.

It is not a cheat if you're in a server that allows it, that is pretty obvious. The problem is that you are trying to use a mechanic CLEARLY not intended to be used this way when playing against other people. And in a freaking simulation game, you walk to the damn corner/window/whatever the obstruction and you take your damn peek. You shouldn't be able to take advantage of a third person expanded camera view to magically look around corners (again, only if you're serious about playing against other people), no matter how much exposed you get or whatever other silly excuse people want do throw (like they use 3rd person because grass blocks the view while prone. hint: that's why you use the newly added tactical sitting). I fear for this community if the majority of players think it's ok to sacrifice proper gameplay controls/mechanics so you can see how pretty your character looks.

It's an optional feature, it won't be removed and it shouldn't be. We can all agree with that, right? However, take a minute and think about the exploitability of it, especially with all this sudden interest of the community in pvp. What is healthier from a gameplay perspective (we're talking pvp here)? To have players getting a bit more exposed when peeking around corners or simply using their magic Eye of Thundera to see around corners, doors/windows, trees etc? Let's face it: using 3rd person to lay down in a roof and having a 300° panorama of your surroundings with zero exposal of your body is both unrealistic and a broken mechanic (again, we're talking PVP-ONLY). By the way, I'm not trying to tell anyone how they should play their game...I know 3rd person looks nice and all, and you can get quite nice shots if you're making a video or taking a screenshot, but talking pvp-wise, do you people REALLY prefer having 3rd person enabled and exploit it than playing it 'properly'? I say 'properly' because, as clunky as some people claim the controls in 1stP are/feel, it doesn't break any pvp mechanics. I can't say I was surprised that 3rd person servers were the majority when DayZ popularity exploded. It's a natural thing, with the insane influx of new players. It takes a good while to get the feel of the game, specially if you never played a simulator before and were used to arcade FPS, but it is kind of sad that most people now seem to prefer 'competing' using this kind of broken mechanics despite the ArmA series being about simulation. You are playing a pvp match where you HAVE to exploit the camera to prevail. How about simply playing it smart and applying better (and healthier pvp-wise) tactics? Maybe outmaneuvering the enemy? Have you guys ever taken a look at this very detailed strategy guide http://ttp2.dslyecxi.com/? *NEWCOMERS* Please, give 1st person-only servers a try before saying anything about them. Well, this is my 2 cents, I hope I can still find decent servers with realism settings after the game is released =/

Looks amazing, mate.

YES!! As a newcomer to the editing scene, I've been waiting eagerly for this!!

Thanks! I just found it, it was my first time using this kind of list S:

Where are the vehicle names?