Kings_25

Haha I love the pie analogy that sums up exactly what I've been trying to say I just haven't been able to put it that simply :P

Thats exactly true. It isn't about making a good game that will sell well. Its about making a game that follows a preset formula that happened to sell 25 million. Its purely greed.

HAHA Operation Flashpoint: Red Rocket Unfortunately that was the first thing that came into my head.

Thats essentially it. Its about exposing your product to the largest number of potential buyers. Currently in the FPS market these potential buyers are between ages 10 - 16. I think that MW2 has actually lowered the average gamer age by several years because it is marketed for KIDS. COD has introduced children to first person shooters. When I was a kid I played banjo-kazooie and mario-kart not FPS's rated for adults. Big game developers are simply getting greedy they're essentially whoring for sales with a formula that appeals to the masses rather than take a chance (which may or may not pay off) and build a dedicated fanbase.

CM gave the community the impression that it would be an ARMA 2 for consoles and a worthy adversary on PC. Thats what pisses me off the most. DAMN YOU OFPDR: DRAGON DROPKICK

It was worse than that. On the PS3 version grass and bushes disappeared after 100 metres. Lying Prone offers no concealment at all. That and the game was shit.

I understand that full on simulators are something very niche but at one point tactical shooters were the top selling shooters. Even the original flashpoint sold around 2 million copies I believe, The first two SOCOMS were a runaway success, the original rainbow six and Ghost Recon games were extremely successful. Developers are forgeting what made their games great in the first place. Now everything is being dumbed down to be marketed to kids who scream at their parents to buy these games which shouldn't be played by them in the first place. I mean how many of the 25 million MW2 players are over the age of 15. If one of these recognised franchises actually went back to their roots I could see a huge influx of adult gamers who remember the old series buying it. There is a drought of tactical shooters and I'm waiting for a developer to take advantage of that. eg: Bringing out a new R6 that was true to the original, there would be a strong chance that not only original R6 players would buy it but also GR, SOCOM, OFP and SWAT fans would as well as there is nothing to compete with. thats just my opinion. I mean look at Dragon Rising, it showed that there were people still out there (even on consoles) looking for a war simulator, unfortunately continuous broken promises and major gameplay elements were removed essentially dumbing down the game resulting in mediocre sales as well as a real assfucking for those desperate enough to still buy the game. If someone actually cared and put in some effort a tactical shooter may completely redefine the shooter genre.

Haha I totally agree with you No way in hell would I call COD tactical. I was just saying that tactical shooters are being abandoned in favor of creating a COD clone. The word on the forums of the new MOH gave the impression of a realistic shooter that would be different from anything else but that turned out false. I've always thought of SOCOM as realistic and I'm also a big GR and R6 fan.

Hi guys I'm primarily a console gamer but I strongly appreciate a realistic shooter. I'm sure many of you guys have seen E3 and been bitterly disappointed. I feel like tactical shooters are slowly dying examples from 2007-now Socom 4: Regenerating health, cover system and Linear..Linear levels. Medal of Honor: (although not a tactical franchise EA certainly gave the impression that they wanted to create a soldiers shooter, one they could appreciate. They talked about unparalleled accuracy and attention to detail. But I see zero recoil, health regen, KILLSTREAKSS!! and ice-skating-long-distance-reverse-knife-instakills. GRFS: Instead of displaying military equipment that is 7-8 years in the future they chose equipment 20-30 years ahead which was based on pure speculation. Thats just a few examples. What I have observed in the gaming world is complacency in both customers and especially developers. Developers seem to set COD as their benchmark to assist in the construction of their money forts, worst of all I see MW2 as a game that was developed with kids in mind sure its an MA15/R18 game but it is a childs impression of war and that seems to be the way that the entire console/shooter community is measured. I see so many shooters that are the same, and whats worse people still seem happy to buy it. I see comments like (It's a lot like MW2 so I'm gonna like this as well). Do people really wanna fork out $60 for the same gameplay or is it a result of developers constantly producing this clusterfuck of clones and unoriginal ideas that have made people settle for different character models and slightly different level design. It makes me wonder what developers of long running tactical franchises we're thinking. Did they forget what made the franchise popular in the first place. I like ARMA 2 and BI because they found a niche and stayed with it and supported the community like no other because their passion is games. Unfortunately my computer seems to only run A2 at about 3 fps :P on low settings. But I still love it, I love the concept I love the fact that you need to use your head. Unfortunately my computers limitations do keep me from playing it as often as I would like so I have to sit by and watch as shooters turn to a pile of conformist sludge (please give me your opinion guys and If you think that tac-shooters will ever come back. I hope I actually did make a point and not a wall of ranting text :P keep in mind its 2am over here) Cheers Kings