Rolexman

I love this response to DLC. What a rip. It's funny to think about all the ocnversations we, as a gaming community, had when "DLC" was first announced. We all worried that the micro=transaction model would lead to massive abuse by game developers in not realeasing full games and charging for content that was tradionally just "part of the game". WHile there are many developers who are using DLC to extend the life of a fantastic product, many companies (I'm lookin square at you Activision) are vomiting out worthless trinkets in what one poster correctly called a shamelss "cash grab". I think with ME2 we are seeing how far EA is willing to push the boundaries. If you actually spend your hard earned money to buy a pack of three weapons (for what ever the cost, in this case more than "free" is ridiculous) then you are helping to extend this shameless practice.

It would be "the right thing to do" to ask permission to put AAS in a video, and the AAS crew would certainly be honored. However, BIS does own the rights to the game, so I don't think there could be a lawsuit over this, if they chose not to.

I've got everything. A2, A2OA, and running Combined Ops with steam. ??? I'll check again. Mainly been playing domination with 7th cav.

Yes, the developers of this game (BIS) are 1st rate. "OFP series" was, and still is, way ahead of it's time.

Well, that is because they get TV time and a plethora of other networks. It's really amazing. You can advertise a piece of crap in a box with lights flashing, sound blaring, camera circling, and something you have to have. Millions will buy it, and when they all get it, it's just a piece of crap in a box, sitting there, immobile and stinking up the place. The power of advertising. Not to mention, you know Activision is greasing up the reviewers too. That business practice has been going on for decades, centuries even. ---------- Post added at 08:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:18 PM ---------- I have started up an AAS server, several times. Was successful once getting about 15 people or so. Took about an hour though.

It's better not to send out a demo at all, rather than send out a buggy one. Instant turn off. Ease of interface is another "make or break" point. The addon system needs to be simplified. An addon database to DL and administer from "in game" would ease A LOT of people's patience. Armaholic would be a great place to have a database. Maybe another back up too. Or have it work server side. I've had many people ask me why their weapon won't switch under the "toggle weapons" control. A name change to "fire rate/GL/grenade toggle" could easily be altered. There are some other commands that could use a name change too. There is DM, TDM, CTF, KOTL, and others for the people who like that sort of thing. Berzerk and AAS are great mods for the gamers with those interests. I enjoy those as an alternative to mission based. But where are they? So much game and potential.....sigh

Agreed. I really hope consoles do not ruin the PC experience either. On a funny, but scary side, as technology, ease of use, and Govt control is ever growing, I can not help but to imagine people being reduced to brainless blobs. Kinda like the TV brainwashed people on the Axiom spaceship in the movie "WALL-E". *clap clap* Shake! :S lol

I have the filter totally open. I've been playing since OFP in 2001, so I'm well experienced with this game. It is hard to find more than 5-10 servers with more than 15-20 people at any given time, though it does occur, AND with acceptable pings (150 or less). Many of them, the same game type, which I, personally, don't care for. Domination, AAS, and berzerk mods are more my taste and I do find 1 or 2 servers up most of the time. With the new DLC, those 1 or 2 servers could decide to require those. The engine is from the original, although it has been enhanced to a unnoticeable degree. I'm not complaining about my personal experience with Arma. I enjoy it immensely. I am thinking of the future of it. We all want it to go on forever, I hope. ---------- Post added at 05:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:03 PM ---------- I agree with your second statement fully. I do care. If I didn't care, I wouldn't post concerns. I love this game. (read above) It's not about purchasing and supporting, which I do. It's what the DLC will do.

LOL on the "moar". Really? I will look. I was just there a couple weeks ago and I didn't see it. This is certainly good news. Hopefully, the "newbies" will take interest in reading the community forums to understand the game, rather than get frustrated and throw it on the shelf. That's the problem with keeping the same engine too long. People expect ease of use, nowadays. I agree with many that it does need an update. It would be worth it in the long run, as the numbers would jump. I've been hoping that BIS will take that path. I know it's a lot of work. I will continue to support them, if they can improve on that and keep online numbers up.

IF they want to broaden and gain audience, by distributing content from one's country as a "join the battle and fight for your country" gaming attitude, then they should have included it with the expansion, advertised, and broadened the market. Best Buy and Gamestop are 2 ENORMOUS markets. The game is not at either one of those. Now, new, potential buyers will have to spend $10 for the content AND, at least, $40 for the requirement. Even though it is the same as $50 for one purchase, multiple purchasing is a negative aspect for, most importantly, new, potential buyers. "How much more am I going to have to spend?" attitude. DLC will split up the online community, to a degree. No question about it. Servers will be full, at first, with the hype, but numbers will dwindle and then back to the regular vanilla requirement. Hopefully, the ones waiting for the hype to end, stick around :S Free content splits up the community too. But, at least, when new players are already discouraged about not being able to join, better to have free DL content, than have to pay more, to meet the requirement. That is, if you want to keep them interested. Also, this ideology is based on the numbers already in the game. If, Arma had 100,000 people online at any given time, well, then.... But I think BIS would not be throwing out DLC to scrounge up extra $ either, hence the game is needing more NEW people and NEW purchases. ---------- Post added at 02:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:35 PM ---------- Yep, I hit the nail on the head. Let's not go into maturity. You are quite the hypocrite.

Oh, the sun doesn't shine where you live. Well, while I'm sure you've been reading this all along, you decided to spout your gutless, anti-social, non confrontational rant after I, seemingly, left, hoping to gain confidence with your insecure self. I hope I didn't startle you coming back in. It must be dark in the basement of your parent's house. miss-informed is spelled misinformed. And how am I misinformed? It is obvious that different talents have different jobs. Some people are multi talented. You wouldn't understand that though. To lie and do harm is one thing.....

Why would that happen, techno? I have merely given personal advice about DLC, and the direction of this game, based on my opinions, experience, and forethought. I haven't flamed the game or spouted boycott rallies. I enjoy playing this game and have coerced hundreds to purchase it. ---------- Post added at 12:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:27 AM ---------- umm...........go paint a picture? They get jobs doing another project, until they are needed again. I doubt they are full time. Maybe contracted. ---------- Post added at 12:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:29 AM ---------- Yep. That's what I meant.

How did you say that "intelligent" quote? "EPIC FAIL" LOL Whether or not, the customers are morons, they are still the ones supporting it. Being arrogant is bad business practice.

Well, I'm done posting. If they want this to go the way of the dodo, then so be it. Arrogance and stubbornness will be the culprit. Hope to see someone on the servers in the later future. Good luck getting through to these people jblackrupert.

The topic is "Is DLC the right path for the future of this game?" I disagree. DLC will not create new players. That is what this game needs. Numbers. The programmers shouldn't be wasting time with DLC. You already read what they should be doing. The current system is broken because it lacks interest with new players, who are used to an easier interface. Sure we love it and understand how it works, but I have seen the numbers go up and down and they are on a more downward trend. If we are to continue to play new releases, we need more new players.

I see that "jblackrupert" is the ONLY one posting on here that sees "eye to eye" with me. The rest of you are so "BIS is GOD", that you don't realize, that what you are supporting, IMO, is the downfall of this game. Another thing, this advice, take it or leave it, is for BIS. It is not meant to diminish sales or support for this game. I did not say to "boycott" the BAF DLC. I believe it is the wrong way forward and am expressing it, because I want to see BIS and this game to succeed. Hey, I could be wrong too, and I will be the first to admit it, if I am. BIS NEEDS NEW PEOPLE PLAYING THIS GAME. The numbers they have now are dwindling, and with more costs and restrictions, therefore less user-friendly, more numbers will drop. The standalone pack for A2 may have brought a little more life, but is short lived, if they don't fix the problems with the game. BIS should be leaving the, more than willing, community to make the addons, and concentrating on making the game more player friendly (movement), performance tweaks, and certain other enhancements to enable more mod-ability, without sacrificing the realism and complexity, that we all love about this game. That and advertising will bring more numbers to this game and more money to keep this simulation going. Everyone posts that "this game looks awesome", but when they get it, they are frustrated with the controls, movement, and "plain and simple" connecting to a game to play. For instance, there should be a way to join a server, and if you don't have the content required, it should give you the choice to DL it from a server and put it in the proper place from in-game. The lack of numbers on the MP server shows the proof that this needs to be implemented. A couple of bucks from us isn't going to save this game. I'm all for a new Arma game every year or 2, as long as it has some good updates and continues to improve on user friendly problems and brings the population up on the MP servers.

You make it sound like they are on the streets peddling for $. They're not homeless, by any means. They just came out with a $40 expansion! Like my post said, I've already paid $90 for this game. A2 and A2OA. If they want any more money from me, they need to make significant improvement and content on the game. This should have been put with OA. The "nickel and dime" strategy is crap. Your statements 1 and 2 contradict with statement 3. ---------- Post added at 06:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:08 AM ---------- the only people seeing these advertisements are us. I'm talking about getting NEW people. see above post. you guys all think alike, i swear. ---------- Post added at 06:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:14 AM ---------- Pay a little extra??? $90 isn't enough? You might be able to spend an arm and a leg on this game, but the casual Arma player won't. We need numbers for this game. The more the cost, the less the players. Yes, BIS has a great game and great engine. But let's not forget, A2 came pretty stripped. It is the community addons that have given this game endless content, interest, and therefore longevity. A2OA came with many new improvements and new content worth getting. BAF looks like something the community did and sold to them (I'm basing that on size, not quality). If this is the way it's headed, then this game will end up costing more than VBS2. Imagine how much this game would cost if you were charged for all the addons made. We wouldn't be able to afford new computers (or anything, for that matter) for the next release. The population would go way down on the MP servers and then, goodbye game. ---------- Post added at 06:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:35 AM ---------- Then they will understand what the majority wants. Hopefully, they act on it. British units can and will be made by the community. Sure, BIS doesn't owe anybody anything, but we are their supporters. Without us, there is no them. Whatever happened to the customer is always right? I am glad to be a supporter of this series, since the first OFP, and I hope my opinions help out in some way, positive or negative.

If they want to make more $$$, then they need to make improvements on the game, do some more advertising, and come out with Arma 3 in a year or 2, not invest time with addons. They have a community that does that already. Cheers for that!!! $10 here, $10 there, adds up fast!!! I've already spent $90 for Arma 2 and the expansion pack. That is enough for a game. I spent $90 in this game, rather than just $50 or less, because it is a great game, and because of the community addons. It is way more than I spend on any other games. I want to see BIG game improvements and enhancements before investing money like that again. Invest time in player handling and movement. That is the biggest complaint with this game. (Stairs, ladders,etc) I have gotten somewhat used to the movement, but new players feel handicapped when they move in this game. It's frustrating and they quit. I will support BIS, with new game purchases, advice, and spreading the word, but not with DLC. It WILL spread MP thin.

Funny? Activision made mint on MW2 sales. Why? ADVERTISING!!!! People saw the "eye candy" and didn't realize the game was so limited and pure garbage until after they bought it. BI has a great game, less the quirky movements (so many people complain about (stairs, ladders, movement, etc)) that can be fixed. If they'd just advertise, it'd be great. I am hoping that they are making pretty good off of Govt military sales too. Best Buy, gamestop, EB games, etc should be carrying this game!!!! The devs should be fixing the problems with this game, one being stated above, and let the community make the add ons. This will prevent the DLC break up of MP gaming on the servers. ADVERTISE!!!!

The conspirators are power hungry, the "what if's" keep the conspirators from becoming too powerful, and the sheeple flow to whomever they seem safest with. LOL KK gotta hit the hay. fun chats!!! Of course, the mods are going to be pissed, so if I'm banned, see you on the virtual battlefield. (as long as you aren't on a BAF server) LMAO

I thought IW would never screw over the PC gamers, as they were the ones who made them so famous. "What if" the politician is lying to us? The sheeple just believe whatever they are told.

Yes. Look what Activision and IW did to the Call Of Duty series. Perfect example of what can happen. ---------- Post added at 09:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:09 AM ---------- "What if?" is what separates the people from the sheeple.

They should come out with a new "expansion" with more stuff before releasing. It's going to confuse people and piss people off.

But I JUST paid for the EXPANSION PACK. I DID support them. WTH??? So what if the only server I can join with a respectable Ping has the BAF requirement??? $40 down the drain for the EXPANSION I just paid for + the $50 I spent for Arma 2.