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The stupidity that plagues these forums still amazes me. Go ahead oligo, say I'm the stupid one

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Mar. 12 2002,04:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"But I can understand where you are ocming from with this one. But some people still dispute the fact that Osama even did it, and that is just humurous to me..." I don't know if he did and I don't know if he didn't. I wonder why he would do it though since he would KNOW America would kick his ass. A stunt like that would be useless if he didn't follow up and finish it. Which he didn't. Which seems odd. At any rate, he IS innocent until proven guilty (just like the POW's). Or that does not apply to non Americans?<span id='postcolor'> Yes Osama can be Innocent til proven guilty, but I still hold my right to form an opinion as to his guilt. But the POW's were caught fighting in the war..so they are pretty much already guilty there.

Well, I'm off to go to sleep for a few hours before I have to go to school and work. So have fun, I'll will be back to see what sensless comments you have come up with later.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,04:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does anyone know the expenses of the operation in Afghanistan? And what has now changed when Taleban rules no more?<span id='postcolor'><span id='postcolor'> I do believe it is running well into the hundreds of millions on ordinances dropped alone. I dont have an exact figure though. Several chagnes have already taken place in Afghanistan, women are no longer oppressed, civilians are no longer killed by their government for cutting their hair, watching tv, or acting in a western manner, a U.S> embassy is no in place and a REAL governemnt as well. Other changes have ahppened I jhust cant think of them off teh top of my head, also more changes are soon to follow I'm sure, I'm sorry you find me offensive...It's just your are quite ignorant and irritating to me.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,04:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How do you say LauryThorn is a prick? Or how about your a smartass?<span id='postcolor'> You're pretty vulgar.. And low-level.. Does anyone know the expenses of the operation in Afghanistan? And what has now changed when Taleban rules no more? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Taliban knew full well where Osama was<span id='postcolor'> Have you Murda seen undeniable evidence of Osama's guiltiness? Talebans wanted to see the evidence, but Yanks didn't show that to them. Instead they launched this war..<span id='postcolor'> Again, a mistake of yours. I really doubt the leaders of the world are just jumping into a campaign for a man they believe to be innocent. Yea I have seen plenty of evidence, what about the Video Tapes...and please dont feed me the same BS that they were doctored tapes by the U.S. government. In those tapes Osama talks about how he did it, planned it, and rejoiced afterwards. Like I said dont feed me the BS about how the tapes are fake and doctored, they werent even given to the U.S.....it was given to Alljazeriah(sp?), so your conspiracy theory wont fly.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">fuck        = vittu kick ass      = potkia perseelle idiot         = idiootti shallow-minded = pinnallinen you         = sinä Ready to go?<span id='postcolor'> How do you say LauryThorn is a prick? Or how about your a smartass?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Mar. 12 2002,04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"it will be better off than before.. Â dont ry to point a finger like the US is soo bad for going.. remember Britian and India? do you want me to even go there?" So the US can get their pipeline, ofcourse. "maby the big evil US shouldent have given all that money after WW2 to help rebuild germany, GB and Japan (it was the only country that gave any).." Which nations that could have helped / paid, didn't do it? Name some? "Those prisoners down at Guantanamo Bay get btter treatment than a U.S. citizen that is in Jail, so please dont feed me your sob stories of how they are treated inmhumanly!" No they don't. American prisoners sleep indoors, with walls around them. They get to move around without shackles and blindfolds. They get to talk to eachother. They have visitation rights. "America tried to talk to the Talibanm long before we ever went to war with them. We told them to turn over Osama Bin Laden or face the consequences, we even gave them a week to think about it, but there answer was no! and guess what, they are paying teh consequences." You ever stop to think about the fact that Osama was not theirs to hand over? He was / is not a part of the Taliban government. Asking them to hand him over would be like asking the US government to hand over any domestic terrorist. 'Here, you got a week to find him and bring him to us. Fail to do it and its WAR!' "And while we are on teh subject of being treated inhumanly, what about Daniel Pearl, the American reporter who was mercilessly killed for no fucking reason," There was a reason for his death. A fucked up one, but still a reason. 'Mess with us and we kill you. Do not doubt, we are serious'. Same attitude as the US government, only a much smaller scale. "what about the Navy Seal who fell out of teh back of a chinook and was drug off by te taliban and killed??" Fucked up. But like so many Americans say when it comes to war, 'Shit happens'. Oh, right, that can't be applied when it happens to US troops, right? "see this is wtf im tlaking aobut, you dont give a fuck what they do, but the second the U.S. does something that YOU ( key is YOU) think is wrong, your all over us. " There is a simple reason for this. We all know the Taliban are in the wrong. The US is SUPPOSED to be the good guys. Who is watching the watcher? Who is policing the police? "And what about civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to be a little on topic." Thats a tired discussion. Using those nukes might actually have saved many lifes. "Who agrees that US foreign politics (is that the right word) has changed for a lot worse since George W. was elected?" It hasn't gotten much worse. It is basically the same.<span id='postcolor'> I agree with the majority of that whole-heartedly, the only two that really buged me were these. No they don't. American prisoners sleep indoors, with walls around them. They get to move around without shackles and blindfolds. They get to talk to eachother. They have visitation rights. I'm sorry but the prisoners down there are getting a hell of a good tretemnt compared to what could be going on, now I know lets not talk about things that could happen. But these men are EASILY receviing fair treatment, do you think that for one moment if the Taliban captured a U.S. citizen they would be fair with him? Hell no they wouldnt they would torture the shit out of him. And there are security reasons as to why they are outdoors, why they cant talk to each other..and none of these men are blindolded, they were blind folded when brought in, but not since, and that was strickly so that they didnt know where they were. Seems fair to me. and this one You ever stop to think about the fact that Osama was not theirs to hand over? He was / is not a part of the Taliban government. Asking them to hand him over would be like asking the US government to hand over any domestic terrorist. 'Here, you got a week to find him and bring him to us. Fail to do it and its WAR!' The Taliban knew full well where Osama was, he was a key contributor to there outfit, they had contact with him regularly, and even said so at public press confences, so to defend them by sayin he wasnt theres to hand over...he very well was there's to hand over. But I know if it was the U.S. asked to do it...being the stubborn government that they are, we owouldnt hand anyone over without a full investigation first, and even then we would probably prosectue them ourselves. I think the reason being is that we know they are goign to get the treatment they deserve, along with a fair trial here. But I can understand where you are ocming from with this one. But some people still dispute the fact that Osama even did it, and that is just humurous to me...

Atleast Tony Blair has had the intuition to see the right thing here. I htink after all this mess is over, the world will probably think diffrently on the matter. It's justthat the majority of you have become, or atleast seem to be, pacsifists. You dont want to go to war because you fear a substantail loss of life, which I dont think we are going to see, sure a few hundred at most, but thats after a few years war with all these other countries. I think we should atleast all come together and settle this dispute over in Israel/palestin before we go on and move this war towards anywhere else. That should be number one on the worlds agenda, but we tried to do it back when Clinton was president..Israel does have every right in the world to exist, and thats the problem, palstin thinks they shouldnt. They need to learn to co-exist peacefully, which with the situation of schools and children being taught at young ages that Amercia is bad..and to kill the "bad people", its never going to happen.

I couldn't express myself in Finnish, I have never studied the language, but give me a course, and 3 months and I'll be ready to go

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,03:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm sorry but I defeat you intelectually, and I could kick your ass with my fists pal<span id='postcolor'> You're just thinking that you are. And how can you kick my ass with your fist? you are just brainwashed to feel that you're better than anyone else.<span id='postcolor'> I nevr said I was better than anyone here, well I take that back I did say I was better than you, but hey..what can I say your dumb. You base all your reactions on assumptions, and the majority of them are just prejudices that you have fromed in your mind against Amercans in general SUch as "thinking we are better than everyone else"

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (christophercles @ Mar. 12 2002,04:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stop saying "teh". And LauryThorn, you do seem to be attacking american's becuase they are americans, not becuase of what they say.<span id='postcolor'> Sorry typing "teh" has always been a big problem of mine, and I have no idea why? I guess I am just dyslexic when it comes to the word the. And Americas people are not bad people, I'm just sick and tired of losers like Thorn in my side....Our government does have its problems, and it does do wrong in places, but it also does right...which you all never seem to think about or say, or for that matter even mention.but guess what, every governent has its problems people, the sooner you realise this the better off we all will be.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,03:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">..not just U.S. tv<span id='postcolor'> From where then? CNN.com? Do you follow any foreign medias? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I get my FACTS<span id='postcolor'> When you grow up, let's say when you reach 18, maybe you'll find out that there are no facts, just opinions.<span id='postcolor'> First Question..yea I follow several foreign medias, read the above post. And the news that I do watch here is not CNN, they are way to biased. Fox news acctaully has a more central approach to it. And the funniest thing you have said to date " There are no facts, just opinions" LMMFAO!!! For one I am 18, secondly I'm already in my 3rd yr of college (yes that means I skipped a few grades) And thirdly...once you gain some intelligence you will realise there is a balance between opinions and facts...not just "your side of the story" now as you and I can both tell, you are clearly running out of ideas, being that you answer with such small ideas, but hey your brain can only take so much stress before it tires.

Oh and BTW...its funny that you dont watcht eh news on TV..but you read it in teh paper, being that there is sooo much difference between the two. I read teh paper, watch teh news, check the internet, and watch satelitte news from other countries, so please your single source of teh "newspaper" is quite funny...being that your so enlightened and all.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,03:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are talking about TV and movies all the time. Fact is, I don't watch TV. I read the newspapers. Maybe you should do that, too. I don't watch Hollywood movies cause they are so crappy. I wasn't personally attacking you, but you keep calling me "jackass", "shallow-minded", .... So FUCK YOU. I HATE YOU. I WISH I COULD BE IN THE FUCKING BOXING RING WITH YOU SO I COULD BEAT THE YANKY CRAP OUT OF YOU, DIPSHIT.<span id='postcolor'> Oh so you want to box? LMAO. I'm sorry but I defeat you intelectually, and I could kick your ass with my fists pal. Good to see the frustration though, now you know how I feel on a daily basis with such fuckups as you who think they actaully know what they are talking about.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,03:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My life is not pathetic, although I don't live in the US. Like I said before, I used to think that USA is fighting against evil but now over six months, my eyes have opened. Do you ppl in USA have so pathetic lives that you have to wreck human lives all around the world? Why American soldiers can just go home, and shoot Canadians if they want excitement? Who agrees that US foreign politics (is that the right word) has changed for a lot worse since George W. was elected?<span id='postcolor'> Yea U.S. foreign policy is fucked up...and I do believe every american on here has agreed to that!!!!!, But since your "eyes have been opened" views are so twisted that you think any of this is actually true, you need to form a REAL opinion, and grow a brain. And please dont refute by telling me that I need to get an opinion, because as I have said, I get my FACTS (not opinions) from several sources....not just U.S. tv.

You cant sustain an argument when you have no information son, so please save me the time of having to type and show you how shallow minded you are. We are isolationist according to you, but apparently you dont take the time to see whats going on in the world around you. It appears as if all you like to do is rant about what you heard on tv the other day. And dont even care to criticise the real people doing harm in the world today, sure the U.S. does lots of things wrong, but do you really have to make it a hobby of bashing a great country with great people that you have never met???????????This whole thread is BS simply because of the fact that For years this has been known...nothing new. And teh Pentagon leaked a top secret paper to the news. yea ok! Havlf of you people continue to bash U.S. even though you reall y know nothing aobu thtis country, you see things on TV and movies from hollywood, and think that we live like that!?!?!?! Jesus how ignorant can you be...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,03:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And what about civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to be a little on topic. Tell me Murda? You said don't tell me those sob stories and now you're telling them to me. You're a jackass Yank.<span id='postcolor'> Hey unlike you, I know my country does wrong, and I admit it on here all the time, but you all just want to ignore it and act like we Americans dont give a fuck about anybody else, Yea dropping a A-bomb on Japan wasnt the greatest thing to do, and I can say I wish the U.S. had taken differnt measures on that day, but hey we cant go back and change the past. But you still only care about what the U.S. does wrong, and no1 else. Hell a country could drop bomb on your country, adn I'm sure you could find some way to blame it on America. I may be a jackass yank, but your an undereducated fool, who thinks who knows what he speaks, when in reality you are only going on teh basis off the news...you probably sit in front of your tv waiting for the U.S. to make a mistale then come on here and rant your ass off, just so you feel good about your pathetic life.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,03:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And what about the Iraq citizens starving, over 500 000 kids dead there? You don't see that on CNN.. I'm 21. I'm not a dumbass. You can't tell me to STFU, because I'm bigger than you. You? 14? I'm not thinking that I'm always right, but this is a forum, where discussion should take place. I'm trying to discuss and you're trying to shut me up with your cool words like SHut the fuck up ..<span id='postcolor'> I'm 18, and your bigger than me? I highly doubt your 21 son, with such words. And what about the Iraq citizens starving, over 500 000 kids dead there? You don't see that on CNN.. What about the fact that Sadamm puts military installations on top of chruches, and SAM missles on top of schools? You dont seem to care about that do you, you are truly pathetic Thorn in my side. Your attemots to degrade U.S. and its citizens only makes you look like a fool, the U.S. could do everyhitng right, and you would still find something to bitch and moan about. The anti-U.S. sentiment in here has teh majority, and thats fine...being that there are only 3 people here to defend the U.S. its quite difficult. And then you have jackasses like you who claim to be so "enlightened" yet you dont even look at the full picture, you find a subject that pertains to the U.S. and disect it to find everything wrong in about the U.S. ignoring the wrongs that others do, and ignoring the right that America Does, so please as I said STFU, you are a fool.

Have we not already established that fact that this has been going on for years? We know that America is not going to launch nukes, How do I know this? Because if we were going to believe me it would have already been done. What about all the countries with their nukes pointed at the U.S., oh yes I forget LauryThorn in my sides only objective is to try and degrade teh U.S. as much as possible, whenever the oppurtunity presents itself! I'm going to American websites, and grabbing as many fellow Americans as I can to come to this pathetic forum, so that for once we have the majority here, then we can all join in togehter and belittle and degrade your country and point out everything you have ever done wrong, then we will see how you mother fuckers feel about that.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,02:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh watch your language son.. "Those prisoners down at Guantanamo Bay get btter treatment than a U.S. citizen that is in Jail," How do you know that I was talking about that GB? Maybe I was talking about some POW camp that you don't know about, because CNN does not tell you that?<span id='postcolor'> How old are you?? It's funny, I was pointing that out about you, then you result to try and using the same argument? I'm sory pal but the only AMERICAN POW camp is in Guantanamo bay, and yes I'm sure of it, I actually do a little research on a subject beofre I go mouthing off. So please STFU now, you apparently are a dumbass, and we both knpw you were talking about Gauntanamo bay. And while we are on teh subject of being treated inhumanly, what about Daniel Pearl, the American reporter who was mercilessly killed for no fucking reason, what about the Navy Seal who fell out of teh back of a chinook and was drug off by te taliban and killed?? see this is wtf im tlaking aobut, you dont give a fuck what they do, but the second the U.S. does something that YOU ( key is YOU) think is wrong, your all over us. So please Laury Thorn in my side, save your anti-U.S> rhetoric for your fellow dumbasses who think they are always right!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 12 2002,02:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jesus....I've never seen so many outlandish and retarded comparisons....Dresden? There was a city that was firebombed worse than Dresden...forgot which one though...but if you wanna bring that up how about... Auschwitz, Triblinka, London, the Ukraine..... Iraq? Yeah what about Kuwait and his own people that he used chemical weapons on? Remember the video of an entire village wiped out by gas? Afghanistan? Yeah the Taliban were saints and all terrorists are holders of righteousness....gimme a break. You dare compare what we are doing in Afghanistan to the WTC? You are an ass. Civilians died yes and for that I am truely sorry. But we didn't purposefully target them. In fact we try to PREVENT them unlike the Taliban and Al Queda. Somalia? What supposed "terrorist" acts did we do there...oh thats right...tried to stop the civil war. Those warlords were the good guys. We shoulda just left em alone to continue starving their own people and use food as a weapon. Ass. Oh but I'm sure your you'll come back with I'm just a "brainwashed American" or some other bull, all the time unaware of your own brainwashed rhetoric. Please you tire me. And I thoght the forum was past this shit. <span id='postcolor'> What do you mean with these Auschwitz and stuff? I don't remember any video. I just know that ppl in Kuwait did not want Americans there. Talibans may not be saints, but do you have the right to kill them? Or bring them to some POW camp and treat them like they are not humans at all? In Somalia, it was a civil war! You americans were there just to guarantee Americans oil supply. It was none of Yanks business to go there and kill people, whether they are saints or not! I'm not brainwashed. My country and the media of my country supports USA. Now I just have started to think for myself. I recommend that to you too.<span id='postcolor'> Yea you have really learned to form your own opinion. Talibans may not be saints, but do you have the right to kill them? Or bring them to some POW camp and treat them like they are not humans at all? Treat them like theyt are not Humans at all? You really seem to be excercising that opinion of yours, you watch teh news...and they tell you that. Those prisoners down at Guantanamo Bay get btter treatment than a U.S. citizen that is in Jail, so please dont feed me your sob stories of how they are treated inmhumanly! And I dont know if you remeber or not...the majority seem not to remember. America tried to talk to the Talibanm long before we ever went to war with them. We told them to turn over Osama Bin Laden or face the consequences, we even gave them a week to think about it, but there answer was no! and guess what, they are paying teh consequences. I'm really getting sick and tired of all of you fucking foreigners, I mean really, I'm going to find a way to fuck up this forums server, just so you losers will find something better to do with your time and quit your fucking whinging!!!!!!!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ChickenHawk @ Mar. 11 2002,19:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and in some cases the police acted too aggresively, i mean i gently bumbed their car accidently and the yank me out of my car, beat the shit out of me, and then the officier gives a funny Maranda rights speach "Any thing you say is SHIT!" then haul me away to jail<span id='postcolor'> Thats not what normal cops do? This is the most important post I've read all month. I LOVE GTA I've never played the 3rd version yet but I was thinking of buying a PS2 just to play it. That shows how much I love it I cant wait if you find any more info on this post away !! <span id='postcolor'> Don't bother getting a PS2, the Xbox is out now..remember! And teh Xbox is FAR superior to the PS2. Plus GTA3 is going to be out on teh Xbox by Q3 of this year. The only thing that PS2 has over Xbox right now is the amount of games out....and since Xbox hasn't been out that long, its expected, but by Q3 of 2002 teh Xbox will have just as many games. And teh games on Xbox are better looking graphic wise. So please dont be stupid and buy a PS2 bro, go grab an Xbox if you're going to buy a console!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 11 2002,23:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hehe, arnold for Prez... oh great.. LOL.. he would be an intimidating bastard to deal with.. Â to bad he never could lose that austrian accent.. would be kinda wierd that the US prez has a thick Russianish accent..<span id='postcolor'> He's Austrian, not Russian Have any of you ever noticed how he always has the same lines in his movies? Like "Give me your hand" and "Ahhhhhhhhhhhh" or the best one "If you want to live you'll come with me" theres a few others that i cant remember.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 11 2002,14:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nordin dk @ Mar. 11 2002,20:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well you don't need to, nobody does. But you react so strongly, as if we're accusing you as a person, of killing and polluting... And by argue, I don't mean yelling and such, I mean argumenting. As in putting some weight behind your words.<span id='postcolor'> When you say America is killing the enviroment, or American "society" is destroying the world you ARE attack us personally for are we not members of that society in which you attack??? Thats the problem....you people NEVER make distinctions or specify...its always "America" or "American society", never Exxon, or Ford or whatever. Your sweeping generalizations are the cause of the flame wars, not our over-defensiveness (ok sometimes it is). These sweeping generalizations are in direct contridcition to what people claim to be...enlightened "internationalists". If you are so enlightened you'd never make such comments or statements based on one or two Americans, or companies. Its like me saying all Germans are Jew hating Nazis. Until those distinctions can be seen the Flame Wars will continue.<span id='postcolor'> OMFG YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nordin dk @ Mar. 11 2002,14:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And this is why I think you should tell us something positive about your country, perhaps you can turn this forum condition that you so abhore around, by having a positive attitude. I'm not trying to patronise you, I mean this seriously.<span id='postcolor'> I'm done "argumenting" with you jackass. And please dont feed me the BS of, "Oh you cant think of anything positive to say about the U.S.?" I just don't feel the need to compile a list of "My countries greatest good deeds"