Sgt. Jones

There were some admins talking about spawning vehicles/ items/money through a command system. It must be another addon system they were running with it. I thought it was through the original MP mission running since it was a well known clan server advertising Sahrani Life without other addons

Are there commands to spawn items/vehicles/money if you are the server admin? If so could you post them? I can't find admin commands specific to this mission anywhere.

Well, it seems that a lot of those points of concern are still contentious depending on who you talk to. Thanks for your replies. It's been said that this may be a younger Europeans vs. older Europeans concern and that if we wait 30 years the demographics will have changed. This may be true, however once a person has moved that far along in life experience, their outlook on the world changes dramatically. So not only will the demographics have changed, but their viewpoints, goals, etc. will likely have changed tremendously as well.

I have been listening to various BBC reports on the referendums held for the EU constitution. It seems that some of the concerns that people have are: 1) The EU is expanding too fast and people are concerned with Eastern European coutries flooding the labor market with cheaper labor 2) People aren't all happy with switching to the Euro and feel that it has had some detrimental effcts on some national economies 3) Too much power is being placed in Brussels 4) People are concerned with the erosion of their national identities as Europe is merged into a union of member states 5) The EU bureaucracy has imposed quite a myriad of rules and regulations that have caused various businesses to incur additional expenses in order to be compliant 6) There is also a feeling that the EU contitutional proposal is overly complex and lengthy I was just wondering what the perspectives of some of the Europeans are on these concerns

Thanks Pappy. I thought that maybe I was having some sort of conflict with my OFP.

First off, I wanted to say that I have really been enjoying the Y2K3 mod. It has remade OFP into a vastly improved visual game. I have recently been palying multiplayer more often and seem to freeze up when I run Y2K3 on line. It starts fine and usually lets me play for about 15minutes before freezing. Any suggestions for fixing this?

I agree. A 30 year weapon sales ban of any EU military products to the US would be fine. If the EU thinks it's a better idea to trade weapons with China, then let them. After all it is much better for business if China only abuses their own population..... Of course, trading high tech military technology with China definately has the potential to create a military super power that may have some interesting views on what it ought to do. But that's hardly a concern. The EU has evolved beyond the need to concern itself with military matters or even to maintain anything beyond a nominal defense force. If things go to hell, they won't be interested in requesting, or accepting, any US military involvement. If the US is smart, they won't offer any assistance either.

Actually, it is of great importance. Unless, of course, you are just jumping on the popular euro trend of bashing the US. So we have possibly the biggest weapons trade in the world and support many civil wars.... that's why they are all running around with various russian rifles... because the US has been supplying them with arms.... Really, I hadn't noticed the other countries had stopped complaining. Actually, they seem to complain as loudly as possible about just about everything the US does.

Glad to see that the EU has made this decision. Now let's see if they actually stick to it. Just out of morbid curiousity, where might you be from? Hopefully all of your country's dealings have been totally above board.... glass houses and all that

I'd imagine that it would take place in a similar manner to those democratic votes undertaken during occupation by UN peacekeepers.......

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. I think entering into the weapons trade with China would be a big mistake for the EU. But they appear to be hellbent on getting into bed with the chinese so they'll have to figure that one out on their own.

Why let a few ethics get in the way of a nice profit??

Well, im reminded of certain revisionists when I see these desperate "but you cannot prove that they dont exist! HAH!"-comments. I don't believe I ever said that they actually do exist. I said that it is a possibility. Given his use of these weapons in the past, and his programs to develop them, it would be a logical conclusion that he may have them again. I just said that the country is too large for it to have been effectively searched by either the U.N. inspectors (with all the restrictions placed upon them by Saddam) or the ISG (in the short term they decided to exercise their search). They may, or may not, exist. Right now no one knows.

No, no. You have to get this myopic view of things out of your head. Economic warfare is just a different club. This may have been our biggest mistake, according to your arguments. Supporting europe during the cold war that is. Hopefully it won't be our ondoing. Oh well, we'll have to live with our mistakes. Perhaps we should have let the Kremlin have you, but we were suckers *shrug* Once again, I have to remind myself that you neither speak for nor establish direction for the E.U. Your assertion that the E.U. is positioning itself to destroy my country economically would otherwise be....disturbing. If that in fact turns out to be true then we will deal with it. I'ts public knowlege that the WTO has sanctions against the U.S. Quite frankly, I don't think we protect our markets enough. Anyway this discussion is turning irrelevent. If the E.U. is intent on the destruction of the U.S. economy, then that is unfortunate since many of these nations have been friends with us for many years. We have supported one another, militarily and otherwise, through many events and tragedies. But in the end, I have a feeling that things will not quite be as you predict Denoir.

Hmmm... okay....revisionist. Interesting term since the history of this is hardly complete enough to revise. Do I think that these items, should they exist, be left in the desert? No I don't. Do I understand why massive searches aren't being conducted? Yes I do.

Alright, so let's give them the time to actually make a good search. That won't happen until other issues are resolved.

Good question. But the fact that they have not been found does not mean that they don't exist. If weapons (chemical. biological, etc.) do exist, the chances are that they have been buried somewhere. The desert is a big place there and the U.S. troops have been somewhat pre-occupied with human issues. It's not Saddam hasn't buried things in the past (military hardware, mass slaughter evidence, etc.). You know, all the things the U.N./E.U. wasn't too terribly concerned with. Internal issues and all that.

I never said that the inspectors weren't there. They were where ever Saddam allowed them to go. And the next they were where ever they were allowed to go that week. You seem to think that this is some sort of success story as opposed to playing a few hands of 3 card monty with Saddam...

So you are saying that militant EU groups will now trouble us? Hmm.. sounds like a threat. Iraq is not a 6 month campaign, nor was it ever meant to be. I know that europe is quick to jump on the "iraq's a failure" bandwagon so it can justify the stance of some of the EU members on the war. But as I said before, let's have it play out. You, or anyone else on here, judging this campaign to be a failure; is, at the very least, highly premature. Time will tell. Let's just say that the sky isn't exactly falling on the US. As much as you may predict otherwise. I know that you have your pro-EU prejudices, but this will also be something that will only be born out in time. Wow! Sounds like we had better watch ourselves or the EU will get us! This is getting comical.... I can almost see the spittle fly during this little tirade.... So non-complaince with UN inspectors for a decade is a successful program.... OK then! The economic sanctions did succeed in destabilizing an already unstable region. And you say that's the EU's plan for the US. Sounds like we have a new expansionist global superpower to contend with.... the EU. Of course, I would tend to think the EU would want to be a bit more of a good neighbor than Denoir predicts, but time will tell. If they intend on being a world dominating empire then that will be dealt with as well. Well RalphWiggum, It all depends on your definition of success. If a person is put on probation, for an offense, but refuses to comply with the terms of probation (i.e. home inspections, continued employment, no association with known criminals, etc.), it can hardly be called a successful term just because they didn't get caught while they didn't allow themselves to be supervised. Especially if all we base this on is the fact that, at the end of the term, we go in and there is nothing there currently.

Well, I kind of doubt that you will ever see us getting overly worked up about whether or not we have global permission to deal with anything we perceive as a U.S. security concern. The U.N. weapons inspectors program was a failure in Iraq. After 10 years you were still needing to send weapons inspectors?!?!?!? That's a decade of uselessness. As for his Saddam's obstructions, I always thought his allowing weapons inspectors to go look here, but not there, was especially amusing. There was no accountability, and with the oil for food program scandal unfolding....... The world will see if there is any evidence. It's a little premature for you to announce that this program was completely graft-free. That's what investigations are for. I understand that what we do affects the rest of the world so maybe you all could try and meet us halfway so we wouldn't feel like we have to act unilaterally. Because when we question the motives, and resolve, of the EU and UN; we tend to feel like we were on our own all along. That alliances mean more to us than to anyone else. As for Kyoto, we elected not to sign it. China agreed to sign it. I mean it's no skin off of their nose right. And if they break it... so what. It's not like the EU or UN has any teeth behind it.

Well, you could make that argument about any american president. They always have the potential to be a greeater threat to world security than (insert any other world leader here). The neo-conservatives are in power because their ideals are closer to the average american than the neo-liberals. Out of the last 24 years our leadership has been: republican 16 and democrat: 8 (soon to be 20 repbulican). That should tell you something about our values. I also feel it is within my rights to pass judgement on those countries who feel free to whine about world problems without offering alternative solutions. I mean, get out there and work on these issues. But don't sit back in your easy chair and criticise those who are at least trying. This isn't really an intellectual exercise, it's more of a hands on world.

True, once they want nukes and demonstrate aggression then they become a threat to world security. Then we start talking military action. The U.S. is used to being a major player on the world security front and will probably continue to act in this role.

Well, I believe in my way of government. I believe it is a good system that is representative of the people )for the most part). One of the greatest advantages of democracy (as it is practiced in the U.S.) is the ability for the populace to change the government. I feel that this is a form of government that is better for the populace provided that it is what the populace desires. So if the North Koreans prefer their current situation, more power to them. If not, they should have an alternative. I don't know that democracy is more "evolved" than any other form of government, it just decentralises power in a relatively manner. So my answer would be, for me democracy is better than a dictatorship.

Perhaps it has merely been my interpretation. It is easy to misinterpret a purely textual discussion. If so, I apologise. It was the use of those terms that struck my as condescending and superior. Hopefully, that is not the european view of the world.

I hope we can learn from your mistakes without repeating them as well. I don't know that we are heading down that same path however. I guess one of the things that has bothered me about this discussion has been certain terms that have bandied about rather freely..... superiority.... evolved.... They tend to imply a certain level of arrogance, that flows rather casually, of a feeling of superiority. It makes for a very dangerous climate when people act and feel that way. It leaves room for certain troubling aspects of history to arise again and flourish. This threatens to allow us all to re-live lessons history has supposedly taught us. And the last time that raised it's ugly head, in europe, you took the world with you for the ride.