Rogue

In RL the G36 is very accurate for a .223 caliber weapon, at 400m an average shooter should be able to place his shots in a relatively small area. Even at 600m dropping training targets with the first bullet is not difficult. Ingame the damage modeling of G36 .223 bullet needs to be looked over, as dying from a hit in the leg or foot instantly seems quite wrong to me.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Been around alot eh? Well, It appears that it's 4 on 1 on this issue. Wobble, Mr Frag, 110, myself, vs you. We all seem to know the difference between an "assault rifle" and a "battle rifle" and the U.S. Army seems to know the difference as well. What country are you from anyway? Just because YOU haven't heard about something does not mean we are all wrong. Oh, as a matter of fact, I am currently in the "service" in the Canadian Army Reserves. I am in the Infantry and have heard the terms "battle rifle" and "assault rifle" used more than once. Trust me, I know the difference. Thats plain incorrect, optimal combat and engagement distance for the G36 is 500m, max. engagement distance 800m, these are no guestimate values, these are the specifications as they are instructed. The G36 is also used in a LMG role, you figure the rest. About that 800m and a 0.223 projectile not being able to drop some was ment as a joke right I have NO idea of what you are trying to say, what are you trying to tell me? Did you even read my earlier post? Did you not understand something? You think I'm wrong??, LOL Maybe your right and my military training has been incorrect Please read my post again, carefully. We have already done about all the explaining we can do for you. Its up to you to read it carefully and understand it. Trust us, we know what we're talking about!  Tyler<span id='postcolor'> "4 wrongs doesn´t make 1 right" we´d say over here. Yes, i have read your former post and i said it´s incorrect, simply because you stated that a 0.223 wouldn´t be effective on targets at 800m (not being able to drop them). I told you are wrong, what else can i write, either you take it or you leave it. The fact that the G36 has markers for 800m shooting should be already sufficent for you. I said it before and i say it again, there are no Battlerifles in terms of caliber classification, or roles. Battlerifle, just as combat rifle are generalisation terms used for all rifles that are used in combat, got nothing to do with certain rifles or classifications. Show me the FM covering the M-14 "Battlerifle", you can´t, because there isn´t such thing, it´s either rifle or assault rifle. Just show me an official army site using the term Battle Rifle in the same manner as you do, even when you search via google CAR-15´s and other carbines will be dubbed battlerifles, the authors seem to be just as professional as you are.....

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The terms are real, and even if they are different in other countries, the respective weapons groups to which they apply fill different roles. Assault rifles are light-weight weapons, often with folding or collapsible stocks. Most of them have full-auto or burst-mode fire control systems, and can frequently be fired with one hand. They often also trade cartridge power for size/weight and/or controllable full-auto fire. Battle or infantry rifles are much heavier, have fixed stocks, are chambered for higher-power cartridges, and often do not have full-auto capability. I have not served in the military, but have owned military firearms for almost two decades. I have participated in tactical firearms training (rifles, handguns, SMGs) with active-duty and retired members of most branches of the military, including Navy SEALs, DOE nuclear powerplant protectors, several SWAT departments, FBI HRT members, and even two Russian SPETZNAS members.<span id='postcolor'> I´m sorry but you are wrong, at least for german, austrian and swiss military classifications. The G36 fullfills the same role, is classified with the same term as the G3, both called Assault Rifles, or just Rifles, "Sturmgewehr" or "Gewehr", both, no different terms or roles. If they fullfill different tasks as you are trying to make believe, i ask you why the M16 replaced the M14, why did the G36 replace the G3.... There is no standard issue M14 in the US Army nowadays, other than for sniping purposes (extremely rare) or with the Special Forces maybe, because an individual has a hang on a certain weapon. You can´t, as someone correctly pointed out, shoot beyond 300-400m precisely without optics, therefore 0.308 caliber became obsolete as the standard assault rifle caliber because 0.223 can cover this range more than well while having more ammo and easier handling. Those weapons in .308 caliber or above, that shoot precisely with the aid of optics beyond this range are called sniper rifles if they fullfill the precision requirements and are being used in the sniper role. A .308 rifle not suited for sniper tasks also shoots at "intermediate" range, just as .223, even with optics. At 800m a 0.223 bullet will inflict enough damage to kill right out, that´s mainly caused by disintegration of the round in the target. When a NATO 0.308 round impacts, it will most likely have a clean passthrough, without much damage to organs besides the actual projectile path. An 90° upper chest hit to a male with average body constitution will make the 0.308 round turn maybe once around its axis before it leaves the body. A 0.223 round will have a shrapnel effect in the body, it disentegrates because of the high velocity, causing very severe wounds and damage to organs and tissue in the surrounding of the impact point.  According to your definition "Battlerifles" must begin somewhere after .308, as you seem to consider folding or de- and retractable stocks, for easier handling, or full auto as "light weight" typical, which in fact is a feature of many .308 assault rifles. G3, M14, FAL just to name the most wide spread and well known, these are Rifles or Assault Rifles. The term "Battle Rifle" is as official as "Scum Duster". "Battlerifles" is more likely a civil term referring to all rifles used in combat, pretty much the same as combat rifle, it doesn´t stand for caliber, weigth, fixed buttstock or anything else.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Jan. 28 2002,03:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> fyi the effective combat range of an G3 without optics is 300m (600m with optics), for a G36 it´s  up to 800m in standard config. I know of Battleships, but of no Battle Rifles....you sure you dont confuse there something?!? Rogue, you are wrong here. 110 is correct.  Any rifle wether it's a "battle rifle" chambered for 7.62 NATO or an "assault rifle" chambered for 5.56 NATO will have an "effective" range of 300m with open sights. When you put optics on it, both can go to 800m and still be "effective". The difference is, 7.62 NATO will still drop someone at 800m effectively, 5.56 NATO won't. Take this for an example, if you are armed with a "battle rifle" (eg: FN FAL) and see someone taking cover behind a tree at 200m, you shoot the tree. If you are armed with an "assault rifle" (eg: M-16) you wait 'till the person moves, or you can shoot around the tree to try and stop them from moving until someone comes along with a "battle rifle" or GPMG. You can have a weapon with a huge caliber, but with a short barrel, making the range even less than that of a high powered 0.22. I doubt it, well maybe, if the barrel of a 7.62 NATO was 2 inches!  Your point is a moot one. Most barrels on any standard issue army rifles are 16 inches or longer. The calibre (I should say: powder capacity of a cartridge + bullet weight) is the main contributor to effectiveness and range. M-249 (5.56 NATO) effective range on an area target = 800m M-240 (7.62 NATO) effective range on an area target = 1800m Tyler<span id='postcolor'> Thats plain incorrect, optimal combat and engagement distance for the G36 is 500m, max. engagement distance 800m, these are no guestimate values, these are the specifications as they are instructed. The G36 is also used in a LMG role, you figure the rest. About that 800m and a 0.223 projectile not being able to drop some was ment as a joke right

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Jan. 27 2002,04:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">110 has been correct in his posts. To nobody in particular: if you don't know what the difference between a Battle Rifle and Assault Rifle is, then you shouldn't try to argue the point with him.<span id='postcolor'> There is no difference in my country, neither do i have heard this term ever before in the US, and i´ve been around alot. Someone that actually served and doesn´t get his knowledge from online forums or other online sources would be highly welcomed to end this debate.

I heard VBS-1 will be an X-Box exclusive.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the G3, FN FAL, and M-14 are battle rifles, not assault rifles. assault rifles are in the intermediate range. the .308 is a "high" power rifle cartridge. check military definition.<span id='postcolor'> Thats a big pile of BS pal . All rifles without optics shoot at intermediate ranges, all called assault rifles. Maybe the Stormtroopers from Star Wars have Battle Rifles, no wait, that was Blasters . <span id='postcolor'> "intermediate range" refers to the cartridge size, not its effective range. THE G3, FN FAL, M1 Garand AND M-14 ARE BATTLE RIFLES, NOT ASSAULT RIFLES ACCORDING TO MILITARY DEFINITION. (US) 110<span id='postcolor'> "intermediate range refers to the cartridge size, not its effective range." Say do you have any clue what you are talking about, nevertheless you are greatly entertaining According to your selfbrewed ""definitions"" the larger the caliber the greater the range, which is entirely untrue. You can have a weapon with a huge caliber, but with a short barrel, making the range even less than that of a high powered 0.22. The effective range is a sum up of several factors, like caliber, barrel length, ballistics, optics and so on, that all results in the effective range and is directly related to such terms as short, intermediate and long range. assault rifles are in the intermediate range. the .308 is a "high" power rifle cartridge. This is what you wrote, fyi the effective combat range of an G3 without optics is 300m (600m with optics), for a G36 it´s  up to 800m in standard config. I know of Battleships, but of no Battle Rifles....you sure you dont confuse there something?!?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">everytime someone post crap about russia ,it relaly makes me depressed... <span id='postcolor'> You cant really do something about it, there are always people popping up in weapon related threads with their national inferiority complexes. Unimportant Blah blah about nothing they have a clue of, its just plain hillarious. Once you get used to it, you laugh your ass off reading their postings  .

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the G3, FN FAL, and M-14 are battle rifles, not assault rifles. assault rifles are in the intermediate range. the .308 is a "high" power rifle cartridge. check military definition.<span id='postcolor'> Thats a big pile of BS pal . All rifles without optics shoot at intermediate ranges, all called assault rifles. Maybe the Stormtroopers from Star Wars have Battle Rifles, no wait, that was Blasters .

Correction: not 200ft but 150ft.

I tried 20 times without the A10 dropping bombs, the approach via waypoints i made was straight, 200ft high with plenty of time for the pilot to aim and set the plane up properly ..............and he was not able to release a single bomb...pretty much useless i´d say. maybe the pilot has forgotten to load up the receiving device for the laser beam

Dont know if its the 1.42 upgrade or if it was already with 1.40.................. but the A-10 doesnt drop bombs on lasered targets. I tried at least 20 times putting the a10 in respective distance `actually it was the other end of the desert map´, waypoints plotted that it flew directly over the target T80. I lasered the target immediately after the mision started, but everytime no bombs are dropped by the a10 instead it retracts flaps and goes low over the target. Anyone else with this prob?

The secondary explosion on the road is a Rocket Propelled Grenade fired after the BTR-70 had been blown up by an AT-Mine.

Doh, don´t think good snipers need those unless they´re alcoholics or physical wrecks. The higher the pumping power of your heart the lower your heartbeart and the calmer you are. For a normal untrained individuum 60-80 heartbeats/min is normal, if you do alot of sports you are eventually able to reduce it under 50. You can also achive this through mental training. World class Abnoe divers have heartbeat rates around 30. Some bat species btw have 900 heartbeats/ min, 15 beats/sec, nervous little folks.

The G36 and STG-77 are neither used by the US, maybe see it this way, Special Operation Forces have an wider and more exlusive array of weapons at their Disposal than regular units. A G22 (Arctic Warfare ) or Remington 700 DM would be not far way off to implement, at least not as off as the G36 and STG-77. This also gives addon designers more freedom of nationalities (uniforms) to model. Like Adviss my vote would go to the M40A1, for a dedicated true sniper rifle, although i wouldn´t mind seing any of the rifles listed in OFP, because they´re all good.