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shinRaiden, you got right, that in OFP just cannot set true armor effects like Chobram vs. Ceramic vs. Reactive vs. anti-rpg wire mesh. I`ll tell you more - even in real time it is hard to compute and give a straight answer about tank protection level. That is why good God gave us RHA term - it is not perfect, indeed, but we have nothing better. There many places in WWW that you can find RHA values. http://members.tripod.com/collinsj/protect.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bob_mackenzie/Armour%20Values.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bob_mackenzie/ArmourPenetration.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bob_mac....LAW.htm This are data good enough to try to move it into config. BIS standards have advantage, because that values are common, there were often base for infantry addons config, sometimes for vehicles too. New standard (based on Sigma-6`s values, probably RHS too, maybe modified?) have hipotetical advantage, that would be more realistic, would give tanks power that posses in reality. There are few disadvantages that were already said here or in M1A2 topic. It is has be said that CAVS will not bring chaos into world of OFP addons. Those chaos already is. There are many addons (tank addons) which are incompatible with standard BIS values. So this way proved to be not the best.

Some testing: after 4 hits (BM25?) from Russian T55AM (by RHS) Abrams` crew bailed out. Bailing out is one of the best thing with new addon, but IMHO they left vehicle too soon. It blowed up after 8 hits. AFAIR crew bailed out after 3 hits (BM42, probably still standard tungsten round of Russian Amour) from T64BV (by RHS, again), vehicle was lost after 5 (? - now I am not sure). Is it possible to force crew to stay in Abrams for another one BM25 hit? Still there would be some tank hit points that will make it look as abandoned, not crushed. Pappy Boyington, idea of CAVS seem to me not too late. Firstly, the problem is not with tanks - it is too with all mods/addons packs of infantry, apcs, planes, helis, horse riders and hippopotams, with everything that has weapon that can scratch tank armour and would be published in next year. Secondly, the problem is not with tanks that would appear in 2005. IMHO this is a chance for such a standarisation that many very good, realistic and... dada, compatible (RHS T55s/T64s, SIG M1s/M60s, King Homers-Inq and co. M1A2) already published. It could be some base for new addons and root of standarization.

It would be hard work to be done. First find data, then translate it to OFP values, fight for standarisation (and with anti-standarisators: "we would never use the JAM!" etc.), implementing values to addons... OFP does not simulate armour and penetration accurately. Right. From the other hand many single addons or even addon packs seems realistic and compatible. One RHS T64B`s Kobra would not hurt the newest M1A2 SEP - but will knock out SIG M60 or CBT Bradley. There is already one compatible system. Orginal BIS system. It is not perfect, but it exist. That show there is a way to make something similar, more realistic, balanced. Of course there would be needed many debates, compromises, agreements. And work in computing real values into game. But Sigma-6`s (and RHS, and new tank addons) can be somekind of base addons, base values.

I'd be very interested in knowing how this armor value system work, it would permit us to make our next release compatible (Leclerc), or as compatible as possible (cause AFAIK, there's always some guessing in the numbers you put in a cpp, one can't know everything about tank material IRL ) Maybe word "system" is not the best. It is just scream for making addons compatible. Sigma-6`s values (f.e. armour of T80; DU ammo of T90 - BM32 - was overpowered) looked better than orginal BIS and another. Just compare your Leclerc values with RHS`s (which mod, as I believe, developed Sigma-6`s "system") tanks (T54/T55 and T64 packs plus Sigma-6`s Abrams/M60 pack plus, of course, the newest M1A2 ) and try to remember, that Leclerc has not DU+Chobham but Chobham-like armour, OFL120E1 is a little inferior to DM53 and M829A3 and French PROCIPAC round is still only experimental I suppose that OFP lacks universal (quasi-official), JAM-like standard in case of tank warfare. That`s the pity that RHS have problems and we have to wait for another big tank packs. P.S. Damn, Firefly wrote it faster. CAVS... sound nice. Good Carrot Â

Abrams??? Don`t you think it is little... too heavy? Are there any limits of what could be transported by this monster (I am asking about OFP)?

Big thing. Funny, when you choose auto-rotation in menu and try to land, only front wheel touch the ground - and you must turn off engine to make land safe. APS sight looks not as good as pilots and heli, it is different, lower quality (and is it your Stechkin not a little too slow? When fire it not sound like 600 rpm but half of it). Have real Emergency version some internal med stuff? Very nice dammage textures (but maybe more smoke instead of rust?) and wreck. And possibility of transporting UAZ really impressive (you make it!)!

Personally, I do not think that using of Sigma-6`s Russian tanks is good in those tests. Those packs are rather old and I believe that RHS (and ONS?) T72/T80/T90 tanks would have improved armour and power values. Maybe better would be comparing new Abrams with RHS T64s - which, AFAIR, are complete (or very close to be complete) addons, part of some armour value system. King Homer, is it your M1A2 compatible rather with Sigma-6`s tank (from old packs), orginal BIS vehicles (and DKM too) or RHS? Is it possible to change colour of tracer? AFAIK many of NATO rifles shoot red tracers and Russian (PKs, DShKs, AKs and others) shoot green. I suppose if this script was advanced many mods would interest in implementing it to addons. Orginal BIS`s tracers looks too StarWars ;), more realistic tracer bullets could be a new quality in OFP. QUOTE dabitup: as for the STAFF-i dont get it. i am about 720 m, targeting some iraqi t72s. (sigmas i believe) .there are the tanks, in wedge formation. (they are a group) so i lock on to tank farthest to the left with my gunner, he locks, and fires. strangly, the mini-mushroom cloud appears above him, but the tank right of him is blown up, leaving the tank i targeted untouched . Wtf i must say. Ricochet? Â

Add this one: Panzerdetail Many great stuff, f.e. tank sight reticles (probably something for OFP addonmakers ;)).

Good sites. For more reading there is AFV forum. One more thing about T80B (BV) vs M1A1 in mid `80. Although T80`s Fire Control System was better than T72`s (and even new T72B`s), but still inferior to Western tanks. Probability of hitting moving target was lower than Abrams` (and probably today is too - some things, that in case of T90 probability of hitting moving target is not higher than 60-70%, compared to 90% of M1A2, Leopard 2 etc.). M1A1s had better stabilisation than T80s, and M256 main gun was more "stabilisation friendly" than 2A46M1 (although better than main armament of T72s before B version), so had better chances to hit moving or distant target than it`s Eastern opponent. Of course Soviets had Kobra ATGMs, but it`s performance against Chobham was not great. And when the day was gone and night started T80s, as all Soviet tank of that era, becomes almost blind. NV sight needed IR lights and could be used up to 800 meters - West had passive NV and even thermovision.

Pretty one. I agree with calm_terror, gunner sight view in wrong place. Strange thing about coax MG - it is very hard to hit a target above horizon, bullets have very low trajectory. Hitting slow moving heli (distance <500 meters, alt. ~50 meters) with APFSDS is also a miracle.

You can make two models of Negev, because to feed this gun with m16 mags it needs adapter, so I think if soldier wants to use m16 mags then he/she will change this adapter before mission. He or she  Sounds nice. http://www.aefdesigns.com/Israile_Images/ki631.jpg http://waronline.procentr.org/Waronline_photo/109096-5.jpg http://waronline.procentr.org/Waronline_photo/namera_02.jpg I suppose it is still sci-fi, but maybe when LB made all regular vehicles this would appear too  Does that APC not exist? if it does it would be great to make that one for ofp. Can you get more information about it and whats the name of the apc?  Photo - prototype of Achzarit II (based on Merkava I or II) Projects - Nemrah (Merkava IV) I understand modeller shortage but hope that I would see more Israeli stuff (including "one of the coolest APC's in exhistence" ).

You can make two models of Negev, because to feed this gun with m16 mags it needs adapter, so I think if soldier wants to use m16 mags then he/she will change this adapter before mission. He or she  Sounds nice. http://www.aefdesigns.com/Israile_Images/ki631.jpg http://waronline.procentr.org/Waronline_photo/109096-5.jpg http://waronline.procentr.org/Waronline_photo/namera_02.jpg I suppose it is still sci-fi, but maybe when LB made all regular vehicles this would appear too

Which is in-game pic? impressive

I do understand that bulding a model from scratch (this T80 is?) is far more difficult that just remodeling existed addon. But, IMHO, the main problem with T80s in OFP (BIS`s, Sigma-6`s and your, vilas) is that there are... far from perfect (old Sigma-6`s models are still the best for today). In vilas` T80 there is few major model bugs, that, again IMHO, makes this model only "look like T80 only a little and from 100 meters". And I do not mean it`s camo. I would not say any model of any modeller is a crap. I do not want to offense anybody, or make him discouraged. I just want to play with models that are as realistic as possible, without major form bugs. In vilas` T80 case I hope that author of it will make it as good as his rifles addons... vilas, gdybys zamierzal pogrzebac jeszcze przy tym modelu i potrzebował swiezego spojrzenia w celu ustalenia co nalezy zmienic a co zostawic, daj znac. I jeszcze raz - bez obrazy.

Vilas released a T80 with cammo textures check in the completed addons area before demanding a new one.. I checked and now I demand :P <joke> Vilas makes very good rifle`s addons. But, I regret, his new T80 (T80BV) is not as good as Sigma-6`s - and even orginal BIS`s T80. I would better see new AKs from vilas and new tanks from RHS... or SEA DEMON - because his T72B seems to me to be very exact model.

IMHO it should look like that Paint-ed OFP ;) You need normal explosion (or some new from WGL or ECL or another) above tank, thin "column" of ligth (EFP projectile trace) that would vanish fast (as lightning, bum and silence) and another, smaller explosion at tanks roof - as bright as mentioned "column". Is it possible to do something like that? Probably instead of lower (roof) explosion it could be just bigger version of "column" effect. But I cannot suggest any script, because it is "black magik" for me. One more thing - it is hard to say how high above target will explode staff. EFP needs some space to fully form and gain maximum performance. Is it possible if your STAFF explodes just above (1-2 meters) target if fired from shorter distance (<800 meters) and higher (2-3 meters) when fired from longer? greetings

Sorry for OT, but I am not sure. Shtora (Shtora-1) can deal with some cable, IR and laser guided ATGMs. It might be efficient against HOTs, TOWs, Helfires and other stuff. But not against new TI and radar guided projectiles, second generation HOTs, TOWs etc. STAFF`s "forward-scanning millimeter wave sensor" could be Shtora-unfriendly with jamming not possible. There are some sources that ERA armour not always can counteract EFPs. That is why EFPs are considered as precursors for new AT missiles - it could penetrate ERA cell without it`s explosion. It is hard to tell how would act Arena against top-attack projectiles. It was designed to deal with flat-trajectory slow ATGMs and there might be some dead zones of it`s effectivenes. And one more thing - Arena and other APSs are still very rare.

Damn. Now have to wait few more days... sorry  Of course I am not 100% sure if STAFF EFP explode in another way than those EFPs in artillery projectiles (f.e. M898 SADARM) or ATGMs (f.e. TOW2B), but adding some smoke, reducing this column of light dimensions and making it dispersing faster may give some good results. Few years ago I saw some short clip (in TV?) with BILL attack (HEAT warheads, but it attacks from above), maybe there is somewhere in web... but from the other hand any simple RPG explosions is similar. How is your STAFF effective against tanks in OFP?

It looks... strange. And not similar for EFP explosions (f.e. could be seen here http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/sadarm.htm ) STAFF hit would propably look as cloud of smoke and flames just above tank roof and on it - and quick disperse. Not as column of light that stays and stays... But maybe you got better photos and sources... if yes, would you share? Abrams looks.. lethal

SEA DEMON, still one small thing about hull lamps ;) Right one (on right driver hand) should be IR - as it is now. Left one (on left driver hand) is just normal lamp - as could be seen even on newer T72M1M --> http://airfleet.ru/arsenal/ar_01_03/ar_24_28/img/T5.jpg and T72B --> http://ttjstk.myrice.com/wqxh/t72/t72b.jpg http://www.worldweapon.ru/images/tank/t72b/t72b_11.jpg http://www.worldweapon.ru/images/tank/t72b/t72b_03.jpg That is all, cannot wait for moment you will publish it ;) Model look perfect.

I have a question to Czech people to help me to understand few Czech words. "vyklestit" - I suppose it means just to castrate, but want to be 100% sure "vnitropolit." - this is short, no idea from what word... "pribuzy", "pribuzni" - no idea "trikrat" - no idea "škudcum" - hm, hostiles? "útok" - speech? I am Polish and some word, especially in sentences, are understandable, but with others still got problems ;) Many thanks

Oh, many thanks for link. It was helpful gandalf the white, in Czech section of this forum I found no better subforum than this to ask this kind of question. OT is good place Damn! There is Latin-to-Czech on http://slovnik.cz !! I love this page!!!

Nice looking. Especially T72B turret ;) Few things: - right hull light in real T72B is infrared (type FG125 or newer), looks different than in your model - in T72B there are applique plates (anti-radiation armour?) not only on turret roof, but also near drivers hatch (so maybe small modification of textures?) - in mostly of T72 family tanks there is ammo box (for NSV) on right side of turret - maybe one more IR light on turret, in left front of gunner NV sight?

M47 Dragon is not fire and forget weapon... In new mod there are a lot of nice features, but from the other hand sometimes it looks like not finished, released too early (nice new parts of Leo 2 interior mixed with BIS` Russian tanks stuff :/). I hope works on the mod would be continued to make addons better - and then polished ;)

AFAIR this "Vampyre" is RPG-29. It can penetrate ca. 750 mm RHA protected by ERA. Russian made tests with this projectile against T80s and T90s, with ERA and without, and RPG-29 proved to be great weapon. But front armour of the newest Abrams`, Leopards, Challengers and Merkavas (and few other tanks, sorry not mentioned ;)) probably will protect the crew against "Vampyres". Miles Teg, even T72 with ERA can survive multiple RPG hits - there was some cases from Chechnya. You got right - all depends on situation. This story about "Abrams killer" - new tandem warhead - sound strange. It is rather rare for HEAT to penetrate so much space... maybe it was EFP mine?