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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 20 2002,15:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 20 2002,13:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Col. Kurtz Posted on Sep. 20 2002,053 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since there are a few people here who seem very dedicated to the Israli state, why dont you move from America to Israel so you can go and help Israelis cause by joining the IDF? That way youll be able to administrate a heavy handed justice upon the Palestinians as your posts seem to make out like you want to. <span id='postcolor'> And you will be moving to Arafat's neighborhood to help the coward terrorist out I presume?<span id='postcolor'> Lord. Lions, read through this thread and look to see if I have ever posted a post that has said 'I support the actions of Palestinian terrorist orginisations'. I have  not. I have also not said 'I support Israli gunship attacks on civilian areas'. I think both sides are both right and wrong. I would prefer to join a peace keeping force to help keep order in the two countries.<span id='postcolor'> I agree, neither side is capable of giving their people the peace they deserve. The UN should do it's job, make peace.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only reason why Dansk Folkeparty got 5% in the last election, is because alot of old people are voting on them, and they are happily not the future of our country. <span id='postcolor'> The far-right is on the rise all around Europe, but the're vote will plateau. The vote for the Danish Far-right is just like the rest of Europe.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ Sep. 20 2002,07:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Tovarish, what about military schools in the U.S. or in Canada? Isn't that the same thing? Â But suddenly because it is being done in Cuba it is all of a sudden evil tyrannical propoganda? All countries encourage their young to join the military. Â Even in the states here.<span id='postcolor'> It isn't compulsory though.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 20 2002,05:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Col. Kurtz Posted on Sep. 20 2002,053 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since there are a few people here who seem very dedicated to the Israli state, why dont you move from America to Israel so you can go and help Israelis cause by joining the IDF? That way youll be able to administrate a heavy handed justice upon the Palestinians as your posts seem to make out like you want to. <span id='postcolor'> And you will be moving to Arafat's neighborhood to help the coward terrorist out I presume?<span id='postcolor'> Why do you think they commit terrorist acts? Really, that is a straight question.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frizbee @ Sep. 20 2002,08:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The UN IS trustworthy, they're just completely useless. They don't, or can't enforce the current restrictions placed on Iraq, How could anyone think they will or can enforce any new ones after the weapons inspectors get ousted again, or find WMD's? Iraq needs a new leader, and needs all WMD's dismantled and destroyed. The world doesn't need an Insane dictator with his finger upon a button.<span id='postcolor'> The amusing thing to me about this situation is that the world is finaly realising that they can't tell America what to do, and it bothers them deeply. Hence the opposition to even the most clearly beneficial acts, such as removing Saddam Hussain.

Commenting on the original article, I have never met an ex-service man who regrets his service or wouldn't go back if he could. It is a rewarding life, especially if you are a Guards officer; the mess is palatial!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 20 2002,01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 19 2002,181)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">did you see how looong the list was? nobody is as blind as the guy who doesn't want to see.<span id='postcolor'> Ahh yes, a long list of crap. Ofcourse some crimes occured. Actually Wednesday was the first serious attack on Israelis since about 40 days (where a man blew himself up when he saw Israeli forces approach him). Â To be more precise.<span id='postcolor'> True, it is like the man who twists a tiger's tail and wonders why he gets mauled.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Sep. 18 2002,12:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 18 2002,00:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 18 2002,00:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 18 2002,00:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">which one would you consider the best?<span id='postcolor'> The British system is better but the Swiss is best.<span id='postcolor'> I have no beef with the British system, but the Swiss just sucks. They have referendums on all possible micro-decisions. This practically disables the politicians to make any long term decisions. Also, their political system is also to blame for the vast amount of really underdeveloped and poor parts in the country.<span id='postcolor'> This is very true. For every damn lame decision of the Canton and even your silly city-district makes you vote. Since decades this highly conservative system hinders politicians to take nationwide actions. Switzerland has indeed pretty poor Cantons (counties), and that is also the fault of the politics. On the other hand because everything is so decentralised the cities and villages can decide themselves what is best for them. Switzerland is the country wih the highest amount of imigrants in entire europe but the income per capita still is 1/3 higher than europes average, criminality rates are realy low as well. The cities know best how to deal with their problems. But lets not forget, that what we consider as a lame conservative political system is what makes switzerland so strong => zero currency fluctuations!<span id='postcolor'> I agree, and that is what makes the Swiss system so appealing to me.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 17 2002,20:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 17 2002,10:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><Snip> mg43 = licensed built minimi by hk<span id='postcolor'> Nope, it's not the same weapon. Also, as far as I know, H&K has never licensed any other company's designs for its own production, while they have licensed their designs to other companies and governments. H&K has sold non-H&K products in some markets under their own name, but they did not produce those firearms. For example, I own a Benelli Super 90 M3 that was imported by H&K and stamped with the Heckler & Koch name on the barrel and receiver.<span id='postcolor'> Well I would be very happy to see the Minimi in service, but I admit, I am glad the SA80 is going to be worked on.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 18 2002,03:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just because he doesnt cowtow to the party line? Because hes a voice of reason? Yeah, I can see how that might make you think he is working for the other side <span id='postcolor'> And you would have stood by Madaline Albright if she would have voiced a Republican thought or two? Â Ha! Tex, sooner or later you'll have to admit your liberal. Â Don't be ashamed of it. <span id='postcolor'> I find the American trend towards branding people quite obnoxious. 'Liberal' 'Conservative' etc. they are not ridgid concepts.

That settlements map is very damning.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ Sep. 18 2002,01:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As a last point, I will mention that "many people on this board" found the Therapy thread interesting. I just don't get why this thread is such a sacred cow. It seems to be untouchable and have it's own set of rules.<span id='postcolor'> Because this is a serious thread, and the subject matter is equally very sensative.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 18 2002,01:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 18 2002,01<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Democracy is the rule of the mediocre. For some things it is good, and for other not so good.<span id='postcolor'> Take the Euro for example. Do you really think that the average citizens know anything about the long term ramifications of the EMU? The politicians have serious professional economists to advise them on the issues.<span id='postcolor'> You and I both know that the Euro has very little to do with economics and alot to do with politics.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 18 2002,00:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 18 2002,00:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't agree, I love direct democracy, 75% of major decisions are made in that way. That is more democratic even if it isn't easier. The Swiss system has brought the country massive prosperity nationwide.<span id='postcolor'> What people fail to see is that democracy is not always applicable. You can't decide democratically if 2+2=4 or 2+2=5. Professinal politicians have a place in our society - at least with our current socio-political structure. Democracy is the rule of the mediocre. For some things it is good, and for other not so good.<span id='postcolor'> I agree, we elect politicians to govern, but on major issues I think the public should be given a direct vote, membership of the EU, the Euro, Capital punishment etc. should be put to the people.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 18 2002,00:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 18 2002,00:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 18 2002,00:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">which one would you consider the best?<span id='postcolor'> The British system is better but the Swiss is best.<span id='postcolor'> I have no beef with the British system, but the Swiss just sucks. They have referendums on all possible micro-decisions. This practically disables the politicians to make any long term decisions. Also, their political system is also to blame for the vast amount of really underdeveloped and poor parts in the country.<span id='postcolor'> I don't agree, I love direct democracy, 75% of major decisions are made in that way. That is more democratic even if it isn't easier. The Swiss system has brought the country massive prosperity nationwide.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 18 2002,00:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">which one would you consider the best?<span id='postcolor'> The British system is better but the Swiss is best.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 18 2002,00:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I happen to be right wing. Â A registered Republican and damn proud of it. Â Voted for George W. Bush, and damn proud of it. I know this will get your goats, being a minority here. Apparantly, anything right of center is considered extreme right wing to most of the people on this forum. Â So be it. I'll take the two party system the United States has any day. Â With all it's faults, it's the best.<span id='postcolor'> I am a conservative and also part of the right of centre minority on this forum. However I would never consider the American political system to be the best.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 18 2002,00:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 17 2002,23:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Arafat is the accepted and popular leader of the Palestinian people. It is not for outsiders to demand other nations change leaders against their will.<span id='postcolor'> Unless of course the nation is Iraq, and the leader is named Hussein  <span id='postcolor'> i don't go along with 'regime change', just disarming him. That is the position of the British government also.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 17 2002,23:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 17 2002,21:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 17 2002,21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, I found this entertaining piece today. chesnoff is a respected news commentator, formerly with USNews & World Report. It's about homegrown criticism of the palestinian dictator. http://jewishworldreview.com/richard/chesnoff.html<span id='postcolor'> Arafat is an elected president. Also I wouldn't credit Jewsihworldnews.com with much objectivity.<span id='postcolor'> Mmmh, yes. It is always refreshing to see folks from the oldest democracy in europe to side in with elected leaders. How could I forget? Who was the candidate from the other party, you said? <!--emo& And about JWR's objectivity: just read the piece. It's short. Let da people judge for themselves. (I read pieces by www.ummah.org (pfffffff) somebody suggested.)<span id='postcolor'> Arafat is the accepted and popular leader of the Palestinian people. It is not for outsiders to demand other nations change leaders against their will.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ Sep. 17 2002,21:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey look, nobody has voted extreme right yet! Â <span id='postcolor'> Well 'right wing' is popular (in the poll) and covers alot of different ideas and ideals depending on what you consider to be right wing and where you are from.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 17 2002,21:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, I found this entertaining piece today. chesnoff is a respected news commentator, formerly with USNews & World Report. It's about homegrown criticism of the palestinian dictator. http://jewishworldreview.com/richard/chesnoff.html<span id='postcolor'> Arafat is an elected president. Also I wouldn't credit Jewsihworldnews.com with much objectivity.

5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (joltan @ Sep. 17 2002,205)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Tests are believed to have shown that, among troops using cleaning methods associated with the old version of the rifle, reliability was just 17%. However, among those following a new maintenance regime, the figure was 85%." BBC news<span id='postcolor'> Well, 85% of what? Number of shots fired? I don't know, but even 85% is a (too) low figure if it concerns something you gotta trust your life on... That's still a failure rate of 15 out of 100!<span id='postcolor'> Those figures don't make sense, I would ignore them.

How about: CAESAR Controller Autonomous Evoultionary System Algorythmic Robot.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Sep. 17 2002,18:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ya, look at this party: <span style='color:red'>U.S. Pacifist Party</span> - This tiny political party fielded a write-in candidate for President in 1996 -- and fielded a US Senate candidate in Colorado in 1998. The party opposes military actions in all circumstances and wants to transform the US military into "a non-violent defense and humanitarian service corps." The USPP platform advocates generally left-wing political stances and slashing the military budget to "zero." Staunchly opposed to nuclear weapons, the USPP believes that "unless nuclear weapons are deactivated, and nonviolent means developed to take the place of military violence for achieving justice and peace, civilization is doomed." The USPP again ran party founder Bradford Lyttle as a write-in Presidential candidate in 2000. Or check out this one: <span style='color:red'>Family Values Party</span> - This ultra-conservative, theocratic party seems to exist mainly to promote the frequent federal candidacies of party founder Tom Wells. Wells explained that God spoke directly to him in his bedroom on December 25, 1994 at 2:OO a.m. and "commanded him to start" the FVP. To be exact, Wells said God specifically told him to encourage people to stop paying taxes until the public funding of abortion ends. The FVP political platform is largely derived from religious fundamentalism, including many specific citations to Bible passages. The "party" seems to largely be an alter-ego of Wells. These guys look like fun: <span style='color:red'>Progressive Labor Party</span> - The PLP is a New York-based, militant, Stalinist-style communist party dedicated to bringing about a world-wide, armed, communist revolution. The PLP abhors democracy, elections, freedom of nearly any sort, capitalism and religion -- while praising dictator Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union as their role model. Because they denounce all elections as "frauds," the PLP vows to never field any candidates for public office (for these guys, its either armed victory or nothing at all). Lots and lots of online ideological articles written in the typical dogmatic communist style ... with titles like "The Hoax of the 1932-33 Ukraine Famine," "Fascism Grows In The Auto Industry," "The Road to Revolution." Articles in English, Spanish, Russian, German, etc -=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'> These people are morons. Can't they see that none of it will work? Or do you think these 'parties' act like clubs for like minded ninwits?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 17 2002,18:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if they still go with the sa80 , at least they have to change the LSW .........a real cheap ass support weapon ...... it sucks ... hard time<span id='postcolor'> Most front line troops are using the Minimi now. But hopefully the LSW will be brought up to scratch too. It is very accurate after all.