Paratrooper

I'm going to retire to the family home in the Notts. countryside.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Sep. 08 2002,21:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 08 2002,22:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think a UN force should be deployed.<span id='postcolor'> I think terrorists should be 100% disarmed and the UN has 0% capability to do this. The most recent example is the UN's total impotence to comply with their own promises of maintaining peace on the border with Lebanon. Going back to 67', when Nasser said "boo", every last UN contingent packed up and left. Been there, done that. Like I said, nothing new under the sun.<span id='postcolor'> The IDF isn't winning a peace either though.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Sep. 08 2002,21:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 08 2002,22:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Palestine must halt terrorism but Israel is the powerful side, they should give Palestine a state and work from there. And of course Israel was right to fight the six day war, but things have changed.<span id='postcolor'> That's what Oslo was supposed to do. Got any other bright ideas?<span id='postcolor'> Oslo failed, that isn't a reason to stop trying for peace! I think a UN force should be deployed.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Sep. 08 2002,21:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 08 2002,22:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, return to the old borders, defend the borders, and try to make peace with Palestine. Then Israel isn't in the wrong. I advocate an UN force to keep peace and work to remove the terror element. It won't be easy.<span id='postcolor'> So, Israel was right to defend itself in 1967 then. Sorry we won. How about putting some demands for peace on the other side?<span id='postcolor'> Palestine must halt terrorism but Israel is the powerful side, they should give Palestine a state and work from there. And of course Israel was right to fight the six day war, but things have changed.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 08 2002,21:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Im wrong eh? Then how come Palestine is part of Israel??!!!!!!!!!!!!!??<span id='postcolor'> In the same way Tibet is part of China, they are not the same nation.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Sep. 08 2002,21:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">7--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 08 2002,227)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The state of Israel as you well know is resented by the Arab world. Wrongly, but it is true.<span id='postcolor'> So then, rturning to 67 borders, with a formally established terrorist state on indefencibel borders is what you're advocating for Israel?<span id='postcolor'> Yes, return to the old borders, defend the borders, and try to make peace with Palestine. Then Israel isn't in the wrong. I advocate an UN force to keep peace and work to remove the terror element. It won't be easy.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 08 2002,21:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You keep saying that I repeat the samething over and over, well so do you Paratrooper, but atleast I can see the truth. Do I have the right to live in your house with out your ok? <span id='postcolor'> What? You keep stating something which is factually incorrect, not a matter for opinion.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Sep. 08 2002,21:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 08 2002,222)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Because they were being kept by Arabs, The fact is the Jews are hated for taking arab ground.<span id='postcolor'> When did that happen and why?<span id='postcolor'> The state of Israel as you well know is resented by the Arab world. Wrongly, but it is true.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Sep. 08 2002,20:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 08 2002,21:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thing is; as I see it, Palestine not being a free nation is a massive insult, an offence which all occupied nations respond to with 'terrorism'.<span id='postcolor'> Then why didn't they "terrorize" Jordan and Egypt between 1948 and 1967, when they were kept in the most squalid and horrible of conditions?<span id='postcolor'> Because they were being kept by Arabs, The fact is the Jews are hated for taking arab ground. That doesn't justify keeping Palestine as an occupied state though. Israel has the right to exist and so does Palestine!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 08 2002,20:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 08 2002,20:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thing is; as I see it, Palestine not being a free nation is a massive insult, an offence which all occupied nations respond to with 'terrorism'.<span id='postcolor'> hell yeah .. a minority of the french population did the same during ww2 , i mean basic terrorism , not suicide bombing ...... french weren't that despaired<span id='postcolor'> France was happy under Hitler was it? The resistance was wrong to kill Germans? I can't beleive you said that!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Sep. 08 2002,20:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 08 2002,21:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 08 2002,20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does a nation have the right to support suicide bombers?<span id='postcolor'> Suicide bombers are the product of desperation.<span id='postcolor'> Whey were there so many suicide bombers in the 2 years right after the Oslo Agreements were signed in 1993, when Israel withdrew from all agreed upon areas and the PA set up it's own rule, governing the vast majority of Palestinians?<span id='postcolor'> The thing is; as I see it, Palestine not being a free nation is a massive insult, an offence which all occupied nations respond to with 'terrorism'.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 08 2002,20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does a nation have the right to support suicide bombers?<span id='postcolor'> Suicide bombers are the product of desperation.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 08 2002,20:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well bogo I can not respond to your post in the way I want to. Â Also for the 100000000000 time, Plaestine is part of Isreal, and where do you get thgis info that most Isrealies do not consider Palestine to be a part of their country? Welcome to page 200.<span id='postcolor'> PALESTINE HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF ISRAEL! Stop saying that it is! Under article 5 of the UN charter a nation has the right to armed self defence, Palestine has that right but no real means of exercising it.

The fact is that the game is full of American units, people want to make new things rather than just improve on the American units. Or so I assume. Bibmi is making some new American units by the way. Have a look at the OFPEC Forums they are looking very good.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 08 2002,16:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I forgot Lenin, now he wouldbe interesting to talk to, espicialy about how the USSR nose dived after he died. He would probably crawl back into his tomb if he knew what happened to his beloved state.<span id='postcolor'> Lenin beleived in dictatorship, 'leading the people into freedom' but those ideas layed the foundations for the Stalinist state.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 08 2002,15:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wish more people would support Isreal here, Isreal is clearly in the right. Any country that supports suicide bombing is most likely in the wrong, and I can not believe that yall support a country like Palestine. <span id='postcolor'> DoR would you defend your country if it was invaded? What if you had no army to join? no resistance fighters? Palestine is a country, it isn't part of Israel, and even the Israelis don't consider it to be.

It looks great, has a release date been mentioned?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 08 2002,16:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Any sane nation will never use Nukes even if they have them. Its all about MAD. If you nuke us, we'll nuke you to the stone age! There would be no point in engaging America or Russia in a nuclear war unless you were trying to kickstart the apocalypse now.<span id='postcolor'> As I said, time to learn from september 11th; all he needs to do is give one away! No risk to him or Iraq.

The thing is, he hasn't got nukes yet. Thats why waiting is not a good policy. He won't ever use them openly, that would bring devestation on Iraq, he will give them to someone who can use them while giving him total deniability.

I agree with you Col. Kurtz he will only use them (WMD) when he is in a corner, and then against Israel which is within scud range. BUT it is not what Saddam would do with them that bothers me, it is who he could give them to and then deny responsibility. Saddam can't win a war but he could be the best freind al-Queda ever had in a phoney peace.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hovmand @ Sep. 07 2002,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Espectro @ Sep. 07 2002,13:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">pre-1935 Adolf Hitler<span id='postcolor'> Why?<span id='postcolor'> Probably because he is one of the most influencial and important figures of the 20th century.

It looks great downloading now. I like the combination of weapons and new units.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 07 2002,05:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that you may both be wrong, not everybody, but there would be quite a few who would fight. Why did any Iraqi soldiers bother to fight in the Gulf War? Why, instead of retreating, did they not throw down their arms and leap into the arms of the Americans they love?If no one in the military cares for him, why not kill him and take the country for themselves>?<span id='postcolor'> Well there were alot of surrenders in the Gulf. The Rupublican Guard keep him in power, but like all kept thugs I expect they would abandon him when he is on the way down.

I mistook the CVF production with another one. I am capable of forming a valid opinion about the future of the Royal Navy though and I'm sure that your age Denoir makes you neither sage nor character judge. I am not arrogant because I want a good navy for Britain. I think we can just agree to differ on the European project, can't we?

Well it looks like the Ministry of Defence, Admiralty and CDS are ignorant and arrogant too, I'm in good company as far as I'm concerned. Â In fact even if I was a European federalist I would be hard pressed to find a problem with France and Britain having complete modern navies. More capability for Europe surely.