Paratrooper

Jesus healed the Roman's ear in the Garden of Gethsemony, he is against violence. He brings the New Covenant. This is the basis of Christianity! If we humans kill it must be for cause, not out of anger or hate.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ July 25 2002,19:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You can ask that every man and he wont know! How do babies (or the foetus) breath in the amniotic water?<span id='postcolor'> They receive oxygenated blood through the umbilical chord.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N.o.R.S.u @ July 25 2002,17:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you might be interested to know that the 30mm cannon on the Ka-50 is the same as the one in the BMP-2. That's probably why it seems kinda weak against armor<span id='postcolor'> Just use HE-ammo, it's much more powerful than AP-rounds (which is quite strange). With HE-ammo loaded, V-80 is very deadly against choppers/infantry/light armour. And for shaking, strange because I haven't noticed any shaking with it .<span id='postcolor'> Me neither.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ July 25 2002,18:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Zygotes dont think either. Â Zygote is the egg after its been fertilized.<span id='postcolor'> You are right, but we with brains agree that the union of sperm and egg does not become alive for a considerable amount of time after conception.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A fetus is not a lump of cellular jelly it is a living, thinking, human being. <span id='postcolor'> Now you must understand that this simply is not true. You are confusing a fetus with a zygote. The child can't be terminated after a certain amount of time, when it has developed into a human. Religious dogma wont alter science. I am a Christian, as an act of compassion I support abortion in instances where it will prevent suffering, no-one suggests it is an alternative to contraception.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ July 25 2002,15:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Not to mention the fact that I don't think it acts as a deterent. Â Nowadays you get a nice humane lethal injection. Â So in the mind of a murderer he could think "I hate these bastards and I need to kill them. Â If I get caught, hell at least my death with be a lot less painful then theirs." Maybe in the olden days when you were beheaded in public square it was more effective.<span id='postcolor'> That isn't how it works, It is society sending out the clear message that it will not tolerate crimes against it. The most henious crimes require the maximum penalty in my opinion. You don't have a right to commit crime.

The thing is moving at 18 miles per second! What can be done, if it does line up with Earth?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ July 25 2002,12:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (fraggit @ July 25 2002,11:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Death Penalty - Somewhat. If the same bastard is committing these crimes repeatedly then yes. If it's the first charge then no.<span id='postcolor'> But what if he was innocent in the last case and only sentenced because he did it before?<span id='postcolor'> See my previous post, death is not a sentence that is going to be passed for a crime you can do twice. It will be given for the most serious crimes one can commit.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ July 25 2002,12:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you want to kill them all <span id='postcolor'> I didn't say that I would like to kill them. I usually don't want to kill even flies! </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The death penalty for rape is a very difficult issue. Many men get accused for rape without actually having had the intention. <span id='postcolor'> Many men get accused, that is true. And often media says that "a girl was raped by a black man", when actually the girl just accuses the black man of rape. Many rape accusations turn out to be just "sexual harrassment", but the media doesn't recognize that. They just want screaming headlines or whatever. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you want to kill them all you might hit one or the other average ´father of a family.<span id='postcolor'> If my father turned out to be a raper, I think that he would deserve death.  (i just hope that my father isn't a raper ) Rape is rape, whether it is done in your own home or in the nearby park.<span id='postcolor'> I think if we are talking about the death sentence seriously it is for murder, and possibly grand treason. Many crimes are digusting but the death sentence isn't suitable for all of them.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 25 2002,11:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 25 2002,11:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 25 2002,05:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Duke: I'll give you this to think about: The bible says "Thou shalt not kill". It doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill unless the person is a criminal" but simply "Thou shalt not kill". I thought that the bible meant something for you?<span id='postcolor'> Actually, read Exodus; you can be killed for plenty of crimes. The prescribed method is stoning.<span id='postcolor'> That's the old testament, yes, but not the new. OT: An eye for an eye NT: Turn the other cheek I would go with the new one since it was most recently updated <span id='postcolor'> Lol Indeed!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 25 2002,05:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Duke: I'll give you this to think about: The bible says "Thou shalt not kill". It doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill unless the person is a criminal" but simply "Thou shalt not kill". I thought that the bible meant something for you?<span id='postcolor'> Actually, read Exodus; you can be killed for plenty of crimes. The prescribed method is stoning. Abortion is not a 'little baby being murdered' it is a lump of cellular jelly which is terminated, not a human. Whether or not we have the right to terminate it is another matter. As for the death sentense, I am duel minded, but I do think that soceity must be able to deliver the ultimate punishment, and indeed deterrant to those who harm it greivously.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (fraggit @ July 25 2002,01:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe too much FOX News for ya eh?<span id='postcolor'> Lol! I get that with my sky package, I've never seen anything like it, just terrible.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ July 25 2002,00:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am standing with Isreal in this war! Isreal is fighting for their homeland!<span id='postcolor'> Why post such a comment? Have you read any of the thread, or did you just want to chip that in? The conflict is so bad because both people are fighting for their 'homeland'.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ July 24 2002,23:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 24 2002,17:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ July 24 2002,17:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lets put it this way: Mission accomplished is when you make the country compatible to western ideologies.<span id='postcolor'> Exactly, which is the same as shoving a BigMac down their throats. I believe in cultural diversity and not assimilation.<span id='postcolor'> That reminds me of a very popular beer ad campaign by Molson here in Canada, a few years ago. It was basically this guy giving a speech that dismissed American stereotypes about Canada, listed the ways we were different from Americans, and promoted Canadian national pride....plus it was funny as hell. Anyways, it was also shown in the States, and there were politicians who wanted it banned because they saw it as "Anti-American"!! If you want to see a video of this ad, Go here, I Â highly recommend it. Otherwise, here's the speech: < clears throat > Hey. I'm not a lumberjack, or a fur trader... and I don't live in an igloo or eat blubber, or own a dogsled... and I don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from Canada, although I'm certain they're really, really nice. I have a Prime Minister, not a President. I speak english and french, NOT american. and I pronouce it 'ABOUT', NOT 'A BOOT'. I can proudly sow my country's flag on my backpack. I believe in peace keeping, NOT policing. DIVERSITY, NOT assimilation, AND THAT THE BEAVER IS A TRULY PROUD AND NOBLE ANIMAL. A TOQUE IS A HAT, A CHESTERFIELD IS A COUCH, AND IT IS PRONOUCED 'ZED' NOT 'ZEE', 'ZED'!!! CANADA IS THE SECOND LARGEST LANDMASS! THE FIRST NATION OF HOCKEY! AND THE BEST PART OF NORTH AMERICA! MY NAME IS JOE!! AND I AM CANADIAN!!!!!!!!<span id='postcolor'> Lol! I know Canadians get quite irate about being considered American. One Canadian comic was on television saying how bad it is "to be living with the French next to the USA!"

Well, I'm 95% sure that this thread is about 65.2% meaningless. War and what happens in it can't be predicted on anything other than a strategic level.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ July 24 2002,02:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">doubt it,since they're just coming out of experimental stages,they're not bombers,they'd be shot to shreds. transport only,limited altitude see :-) i'd love to see bombers coming hovering in at low altitude as an ship captain with phalanxes :-)<span id='postcolor'> In fact they were intended to carry the Russian long range anti-ship missile, Under radar and at great speed.

I think its pretty depressing when people learn about the horror of war solely from films. School should give a more rigourous historical education to those people. I happen to think that history is a very important thing.

Yes I would like Nogovan Police boats (east boat and PBR), a helicopter, Addamo's little birds would be best, a police car BRDM etc. They would have to be on the resistance side so they fight properly. What do other people think?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ruud van Nistelrooy @ July 23 2002,12:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Trigger Happy @ July 22 2002,22:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OK, the V-80 is a prototype. I love it... but would a prototype be used in a conflict situation? Isn't the definition of a prototype that it's used to test ideas etc, and probably only a handful of them are built? Has there actually been any prototypes used in "real war situations" except for some things the Germans put out in WW2? The V-missiles comes to mind.  But maybe there were too many of them built so it was no longer a prototype. I'll bet you correct me if I'm wrong... /Happy<span id='postcolor'> Well, surely taking it to an warzone where the enemy force has a minor tank force, limited AA ability, and is mainly infantry would be a fairly good way to test stuff. I'm very sure stuff gets put into real war situations for testing. I mean, we only know about the wars in Iraq and Isreal and Afghanistan, like we're always hearing theres wars and incidents the public would never ever see or hear about. Since americans will only fight poverty stricken cavemen nowadays, and the russians are having trouble with AWOL bits of their country, it would be the ideal situation in which to try out new stuff.  Of course, the policy of NATO to destroy anything and everything from the air before sending in the troops would mean there would be little chance for the new abrams to be tested against anything other than a nastily barbed wire machine gun ice cream van, but i'm sure the russians would test out new stuff on someone if given the chance. I might just be risking my left pinkie by saying this - but wasn't the F117 stealth thingy tested in the gulf? I'm way more of a KA-52 boffin but i thought all hokums had the Vikhr, a true don among laser guided missles  <span id='postcolor'> Read what I posted above, IT IS NOT A PROTOTYPE!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ July 23 2002,14:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I miss Wobble (the antichrist) and NordinDK ( Mr-I-state-what-I-think). They both added color to this forum. SO I sponsor one for Wobble (XXl) And one for NordinDK Well and for the rest of you....I see what I can afford! But that should be sufficient no? I am just kiddin!<span id='postcolor'> I miss some things about them, but not every other topic being pointless spam.

I'd also like guns such as the colt 1911, but with some one useful, like a civillian resistance soldier.

It does depend what service you are in or what you are doing.

It depends what you mean by a war, around 250,000 British service men died in WWII, and one in Sierra Leone.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @ July 23 2002,03:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Grimnar @ July 23 2002,02:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MarineX @ Dec. 03 2001,16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There was something on tv saying that norwegian spec ops troops trained in britain was some of the first that did a succsessful operation. And yes, the best norwegian spec forces are still trained in britain.<p>It was young people around 20 and they were well known in the mountains. They outmanoeuvred the german in the terrain with skis.<p>They blew up something in a important factory under german control.<p>After this, the germans only produced things in their own country! huray! =)<span id='postcolor'> Actally the Norwegian commandos destryed a factory that made some components that the Germans needed to make a nuclear bomb  <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'> wasnt that raid made by both british commandos and some resistance norweigans? and the british left a british gun behind so the norweigans wouldnt get persecuted for it, oh and it was the heavy water factory somewhere in norway...<span id='postcolor'> Telemark. The British did it with some local help. Bibmi has made some first rate SAS that I am beta testing. He will release the full version when all the bugs are fixed and it is made resistance compatable.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ July 23 2002,02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bah! Basically, it goes the same for you all too. Â Unless of course you're formally trained in politics.<span id='postcolor'> Well I'm about to begin a degree in philosophy and the philosophy of politics, but I never said that people were not entitled to an opinion. You did. Democracy isn't perfect, in any country, but it is vital to the freedoms we enjoy in the West today.