Paratrooper

That many? Well I'm sure they will have some stiffer competition in these games anyway.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 01 2002,03:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 01 2002,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm not saying people don't have the capacity for violence and wicked deeds. I am saying I know people who wouldn't hurt a fly, the finest people you would ever hope to meet. Nothing you tell me about other people will change them. As there are good people, I don't write humanity off.<span id='postcolor'> i know good people too, but not enough to compensate all the things i've seen , heard , lived everybody change with the situation and the envirronement , that's why being good doesn't matter even if you resist to he bad change , you'll be a minority and will be excluded if not killed this is one of the part of the "mass effect" the human has the hability to follow 1 other human , to follow him physically and mentally , the following human generally obey to the other , it the masses , your reflexion power is diminuted by the fact that here's always somebody behind you to push you which push you to make things you would have never done in normal time and some dominant people will always use this "capacity" for their own wills<span id='postcolor'> I don't know what kind of world you live in, but "evil" people are in a minority of people I know. There is no blood thirsty mob at the bottom of my drive...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 01 2002,03:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the human is made of the sort that he can suddenly totaly change his comportement do you want me to tell you about some of my interventions ? do you know how many people i've been in charge who have suddenly exploded mentally ?<span id='postcolor'> I'm not saying people don't have the capacity for violence and wicked deeds. I am saying I know people who wouldn't hurt a fly, the finest people you would ever hope to meet. Nothing you tell me about other people will change them. As there are good people, I don't write humanity off.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 01 2002,03:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 01 2002,03:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The evil doer disgusts me, but that doesn't mean all people are disgusting. They are corrupt (in the real sense), not everyone.<span id='postcolor'> everybody is a potential evil doer , you know ?<span id='postcolor'> Potential, perhaps, but that is not really true. There are so many gentle, good people, I refuse to brand them "potential evil doers" when they have done nothing wrong.

Why did you leave?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 01 2002,03:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">during all my life (and i'm still "young") , i've mainly seen the worst parts of the human being , now i'm simply disgusted<span id='postcolor'> The evil doer disgusts me, but that doesn't mean all people are disgusting. They are corrupt (in the real sense), not everyone.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and ? the mentality maybe have changed , but we still have this dark part in us , we are still able to kill out of cold blood , we still can make bad just for fun , we still can act against other people , we still insult each others , we still kill eachothers , we still mock eachothers , only the meanings , the envirronement and the reasons have changed , otherwise it's all the same <span id='postcolor'> I think you have come to the point where people turn to religion. This is why the majority of people on this earth seek comfort in a loving God. Man is evil so they say, but God is a place to find comfort. I don't think that the deeds of evil men condemn us all. I know so many upright, decent, honest and kind people to give up my hope in humanity just yet...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 01 2002,02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 01 2002,02:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well I don't happen to share your pesimism, My world certainly isn't 'fucked up'. Just because not everyone lives in a prosperous nation doesn't mean they never will.<span id='postcolor'> it's not only because of that ...... but , many peoples live in poverty since the night of times , there will always be people excluded of our society and of every society , there will always be some poor people , we can change that , but . for how man times ??<span id='postcolor'> There will always be the poor, but poor does not have to mean starving. We can help people, but not everyone will be immunised from lifes hardships.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 01 2002,02:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 01 2002,02:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know what you propose, total world suicide?<span id='postcolor'> why not </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As we are human, then we should work towards improving the human entity, not just giving up on it!<span id='postcolor'> how do you think you'll can improve it ? many people tried but nobody did it , many people gave up a long time ago , i've seen enough things in my life to really doubt about the possbility of changing anything to the "human" entity<span id='postcolor'> Do you really believe we have made no improvement in western Europe over the past 500 years? Over the past 50 years? You might not say that if you had grown up in the workhouses of the 19th century, or the feudal drudgery of medeival Europe. We are making improvements for people all the time! Instead of just saying we give in, we need to help the other people of the world who are not so lucky.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 01 2002,02:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the human being has to many interests in destroying the other human , destroying physically and mentally , our world is fucked up , people still do the same mistakes since 400 000 years , the only difference is that they got other ways to do these mistakes<span id='postcolor'> Well I don't happen to share your pesimism, My world certainly isn't 'fucked up'. Just because not everyone lives in a prosperous nation doesn't mean they never will. I don't know what you propose, total world suicide? As we are human, then we should work towards improving the human entity, not just giving up on it!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 01 2002,02:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i think it's the midlife crisis<span id='postcolor'> I can't help you there I'm afraid...try a sports car!

We Are human, we must learn from our collective mistakes, not condemn the whole species!

The English team is doing well, if we were a UK team we would be leading. Well done to the Aussies though, there is less than 7 million of them and they give us a good toweling at most sports!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Apollo @ Aug. 01 2002,00:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Absolute monarchs puppets? What makes them puppets? Just because they are freinds and allies of America doesn't make them puppets. Britain isn't a puppet, nor is Saudi Arabia. Better co-operation than hostility.<span id='postcolor'> Having 25% of world's oil and not an adequate army to defend it would make any country dependant on a superpower anyhow.The strategecal importance of that oil,on a global scale ,is to important to not be defended. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Most of the world lives in poverty. I think the Monarchy  beats the viable alternatives, democracy not being one of them.<span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was talking about how democracy is not likley to provide an alternative to monarchy in Saudi Arabia. Radical elements would de-rail democratic endevour, so in the mean time I was saying the House of Saud is best for Saudi Arabia.<span id='postcolor'> A govermental system is defacto not a determinal factor for economical strenth ,a govermental system of any kind ,like democracy for ex. may differ in it's effective form due to the situation of the Country it govern's.Indeed most country's live in poverty ,but not all country's have the economical wealth and potential that Saudi Arabia has.I am not against monarchy at all ,i am from the oppinion that changing any govermental system in any country can be quite dangerous ,as it can lead to civil war or destabilize the country greatly. I only make the point on the level of leadership ,the saudi arabian monarchy has done a very bad job.Instead of using the massive oil supply revenue's to build an economy for it's citizin and further strentghening the stabilety in their country ,they have used that wealth to hold party's and buy luxury ship's and more useless squandering of that kind.The social gap in saudi Arabia is just so big ,and with the potential of t's soil Saudi arabia could have been a modernized economy providing the majority of it's citizin with job's ,social benifit's ,education and the likes. But even today ,most high qualified industrial position's in Saudi Arabia are filled in by Foureigner's. I wouldn't critizise any leader for the govermental system he function's in ,but i tend to respect more those leader's that show compasion for it's citizin's ,give's them hope and direction's ,help's them to his full potential ,simple leader's that show leadership. See ,i'm from Belgium ,a constituate monarchy.And from all the monarch's Belgium has had i can show the better one's and the worser one's.Good old WWI hero King AlbertI being the best one ,Money squandering Zaire Colony exploiting king LeopoldII the most worse one.<span id='postcolor'> You have dome good points, Saudi Arabi isn't perfect, but I was saying that It may be the best of all alternatives at the moment. Bin Laden is a Saudi, and his main aim is the establishment of an Islamic theocracy in Saudi Arabia. The Saudi Monarcy isn't perfect, but what stability it does bring I believe is vital to the relative calm in the Middle-East at the moment. You must forgive me however, I need the toilet, and paintings of the Queen don't digest well...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Aug. 01 2002,01:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I couldn`t care less about any of those <span id='postcolor'> Who do you like?

That is actually a very good source, worth reading.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since Sharon came to power his first agenda was to quit any peace talks and get rid of Arafat. Is that how you get confidence. If Sharon was truly comited to peace talks then he will find some way to sit down and talk peace. But in all his period he has found excuse after excuse to hit the palestinians. I don't think that's how you achive peace. <span id='postcolor'> Quite true, continued violence profits the 'Strongman' Sharon.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 31 2002,20:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am not too fond of Beethoven's symphonies but I do like his string quartets very much. His piano concertos are not too bad either, but IMO still a level under Mozart's. Beethoven's chello sonatas are also great IMO.<span id='postcolor'> Lol! We don't agree on anything!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ July 31 2002,20:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As boring as it may be, I love Beethoven. Â Ode to Joy is perhaps one of the finest compositions in all of music. Â It is very uplifting...especially since it came from a fellow who wasnt exactly the most pleasant fellow. Â Mozart is also nice <span id='postcolor'> Yes the 9th symphony is sublime.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 31 2002,20:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What I don't like too much is the romantic period, especially Wagner, Tchaikovsky, Mahler and Dvorak.<span id='postcolor'> I like all of those, I'm a big lover of the Barock though.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ July 31 2002,19:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wish there was more people on this forum that would agree with me, so it would not be be vs all  of you. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ July 31 2002,19:33) America has other friends?! Well, if you're a representative of the majority of Americans, we can see the reason Quote  . There is no true Native people to America, we all just came here. If you believe that you should be leaving the doors wide open. If you all "Just came there" who the hell are you to decide who else comes? Quote  I will help the Jews out becuase they are God's people, and I have alot of respect for them. Even though some of them did kill Christians in the early days things have changed now. I nominate that for the Dumbest Quote Of The Day Award Quote  the Palestinians do not need refuge, but I will comment no futher on that becuase it will get this thread closed.  They don't need refuge as much as you don't need a little bit of education about the world<span id='postcolor'> Thanks for the award I did not deserve. We have the right becuase we have established an order here, we did have an order anyways, and by limiting immigration we can keep America safer, less poplulated, and many other things. America still has some valuse but they are getting thrown in the dirt. I would be all for America not listening to Europe at all, and going about things their on ways. We should let people fight there own wars, they are not apperciative when you save  them from defeat, i.e. Britian and France. The Palestinians are on somebody elses land so they should leave and go to other arab countires......here we go again! <span id='postcolor'> Limited immigration is one thing, but saying you will only take Jews is another.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There is no true Native people to America<span id='postcolor'> Err, yes there is.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KeeperHET @ July 31 2002,19:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who is your favorite classical composer? Mine has got to be Richard Wagner.<span id='postcolor'> I like Wagner, but I'm also a lover of Beethoven, Handel, Rachmaninov, Grieg, Mozart, and most of all Bach. I like oters too, but those are my favorites.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 31 2002,18:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 31 2002,18:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was talking about how democracy is not likley to provide an alternative to monarchy in Saudi Arabia. Radical elements would de-rail democratic endevour, so in the mean time I was saying the House of Saud is best for Saudi Arabia.<span id='postcolor'> Yes, but obviously your reference to why it is good is because of the fact that Britain is a monarchy. That makes a very crappy argument. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You can be rather tiresome sometimes denoir.<span id='postcolor'> Yes, I suppose so, especially when I don't agree with you, right? When we are having a discussion about America you are more then willing to take cover behind me and occasionally popping up your head saying "denoir is right". Well, sorry sonny, but sooner or later you will have to fight for your own beliefs. To start crying and run away every time you get criticized is not a long term solution.<span id='postcolor'> I wasn't making any reference to Britain whatsoever. Constitutional monarchy and absolute monarchy are totally different. As a Swede you must know that. I was talking solely and exclusively about Saudi Arabia. As for hiding behind you in arguments? Thats just not the case. I may agree with you on aspects of American cultural imperialism and foreign policy, but I don't need you to argue for me. I never 'run away' from a good debate. Where did you get that? I think you need to stop thinking of yourself as better than other people in here.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ July 31 2002,18:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If we took over Iraq and made it a state, where would the 51st start go? And can we take over places? Â We haven't really done much of that before except occupation.<span id='postcolor'> Didn't they recently say that even if any more states were added, they'd keep 50 stars?