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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 07 2002,03:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Duke_of_Ray, do you also believe that all Israelis will eventually have to convert to Christianity?<span id='postcolor'> This is really not on topic, but to awnser your question.... They will have to convert to Christianity if they want to go to Heaven, and I do agree with the statement Isreal is right and palestine is wrong.<span id='postcolor'> I thought you were going to stop coming out with this stuff?

Yes, it looks great, I remember seeing the early shots, they have a great helocopter there.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 07 2002,13:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 07 2002,13:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Aug. 07 2002,13<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In any corporate meeting you ask yourself: what could we have done better? In the case of Hiroshima we dont know what would happened if not the atomic-bomb would have been used, but what we know is that an entire city was blown to dust and sealed for decades. You are simply stating a thesis: "it could have turned worse otherwise" but fact is "the solution wasnt optimal"<span id='postcolor'> I'm saying that we are in no position to say that it would have been better. History moves on, and this kind of world changing event can't be called totally wrong. The world we live in today is the result of a cold peace betwene to rival super-powers, without the Atomic bomb I can't imagine how peace would have been preserved.<span id='postcolor'> That is a very apathic world view. That's not how we play it. If 1->2->3->....->n and we can't predict beyond 2 then we say if 1 leads to 2 and 2 is bad then 1 is was a wrong decision regardles if it is good at the n:th step or not. That's how society works, and that is the only way it could work since we would otherwise have to wait for an infinite time before we could pass judgement. If you kill somebody, the law says that it is bad regardless of the possible future consequences.<span id='postcolor'> True, but unlike the holocaust, the Atom bomb may have saved lives. The judgement can't be so easily past over this issue I think.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Aug. 07 2002,13:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In any corporate meeting you ask yourself: what could we have done better? In the case of Hiroshima we dont know what would happened if not the atomic-bomb would have been used, but what we know is that an entire city was blown to dust and sealed for decades. You are simply stating a thesis: "it could have turned worse otherwise" but fact is "the solution wasnt optimal"<span id='postcolor'> I'm saying that we are in no position to say that it would have been better. History moves on, and this kind of world changing event can't be called totally wrong. The world we live in today is the result of a cold peace betwene to rival super-powers, without the Atomic bomb I can't imagine how peace would have been preserved.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ Aug. 06 2002,14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm having a weird problem with this addon: When I add a Kozlice (with shells) and CZ75 to a guy, I can't use the Kozlice (the ammo counter reads 0, and I can't reload). The ammo still shows up in my gear, but I can't use it. Strangely, when I set this exact same unit as AI, he merrily blasts away with his Kozlice shells! Help?<span id='postcolor'> FA_Dali_lama used the brilliant Remmimgton, just use his. They are up at ofp.info.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Aug. 07 2002,12:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 07 2002,12:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who are we to say that something that is bad, shouldn't have happened? The Great fire of london allowed the metropolis to be rebuilt and revolutionised, the second world war got penecillin recoginsed and mass produced etc. etc. The bombing of the Japanese cities may have saved the lives of many more Japanese civillians and Allied soldiers and Japanese troops. It may have also prevented the expansion of the Soviet Union in Europe, another terrible war. One can't always take the simplistic and rather naive view that bad things are always totally avoidable and never neccessary.<span id='postcolor'> Your logic sais that you have to pay a price for everything, and a war is the hurtful step before a new beginning. I agree to a certain extent. But what did the Atomic-bomb do that was necessary. Well hiroshima is still an unusable spot, so there your logic doesnt grip, I see no Hiroshima being more beautyful than the old one before the 1940ies! <span id='postcolor'> I mean that the bomb may have prevented a war with Russia the west couldn't have managed, and may have saved lives (including civillians) in Japan and the Allies. History may have recorded worse things without it, while it was horrible it may have been neccessary. It is quite childish to say "it was bad and shouldn't have happened".

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Aug. 07 2002,12:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 07 2002,12:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I recently watched a documentary that said the Atom Bomb was used to intimidate the Soviet Union, and not infact to end they war. It is even said that the scientists on the Manhatten project were worried that the war was going to end before it could be used.<span id='postcolor'> I said it already 3 times, please read my posts too even if you think I am mentally disabled and stoned! Â It is shocking to read the history of the development. oppenheimer was so obsessed with what he had created there (also the generals) that this bomb was like a toy waiting to be played with. But Stalin wasnt intimidated, at this time he was already well informed and had already started his own programm.<span id='postcolor'> Sorry Albert! I missed it! I did try to read the lot.

Who are we to say that something that is bad, shouldn't have happened? The Great fire of london allowed the metropolis to be rebuilt and revolutionised, the second world war got penecillin recoginsed and mass produced etc. etc. The bombing of the Japanese cities may have saved the lives of many more Japanese civillians and Allied soldiers and Japanese troops. It may have also prevented the expansion of the Soviet Union in Europe, another terrible war. One can't always take the simplistic and rather naive view that bad things are always totally avoidable and never neccessary.

I recently watched a documentary that said the Atom Bomb was used to intimidate the Soviet Union, and not infact to end they war. It is even said that the scientists on the Manhatten project were worried that the war was going to end before it could be used.

Do you agree with the logic: Killing 100 of the enemy to save 1000 of your own is acceptable? This is what justifies the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Aug. 06 2002,01:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Im not a moderator M_S_Holder, but there will be one on your case if you dont watch what you say. Im not Jewish or Arabic, but those comments are not appreciated. These are the OFP Forums, not the 4th Riech ones. We talk politics, but most of us have are not on the fanatical side. We do not need hate in these forums!<span id='postcolor'> I second that.

I like the new version. Will you make one with Finnish markings, and manned by UCE's Finnish troops? That would be exellent.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (M_S_Holder @ Aug. 06 2002,01:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">George Dubya is an absolute dumbass. Â He declared war on the intangible (terrorism). Â This war is never going to end--like the war on drugs, crime, etc. Â Now the U.S. has to go around and kill everybody that the Jews don't like.<span id='postcolor'> Thats dangerous talk! Though I accept your point on the "War Against Terror", its going to be never-ending.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 06 2002,01:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Personally I think there is nothing 'hilarious' about torturing someone, enemy or not.  I fully understand that there were atrocities commited by both sides...but two wrongs dont make a right. War is hell, that much is true.  But the extent to which you will go, even in an armed conflict, is integral to your personal system of ethics, and even personal honour.  But then, I am writing this from an air conditioned mall in a nation that hasnt had a real war fought on its soil  Although I would like to think that, if faced with the opportunity to kill an enemy, that I would use a bullet...not carve him up for sport or revenge. No matter what his compatriots have done to my country.<span id='postcolor'> Damn right, thats what makes our societies worth defending in the first place.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (M_S_Holder @ Aug. 05 2002,20:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nietzche taught that what is condidered good should be considered evil, and vice-versa. He also taught that the lower quality people (The rabble) are always trying to outbreed the higher quality people. Needless to say, the Nazis loved that guy. <span id='postcolor'> Nietzche said that we should re-define our values, what the masses call 'evil' may be 'good'. Not merely reverse our values. When it comes to moral philosophy, I would reccomend Nietzche as an exellent start point after Plato. Nietzche's work was abused by fascists.

The part I saw was a well ordered military display. It looked great.

A satchel charge would be good for one, so we can have a bomber!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ Aug. 05 2002,16:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">'Forum Tory boy' - wouldn't this be a great replacement for his boring 'Advanced Member'? <span id='postcolor'> Please No! </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And while Albert took us almost all around the world he missed a region on earth with many dictators - middle and south America. Argentina, Peru, Chile, Nicaragua a.s.o.<span id='postcolor'> I mentioned Galtieri! EDIT: my 999th post! I don't think Fidel has been on his level, but he is a dictator... what do you lot think?

This is a great Idea, but use FA_Dali_Lama's resistance police, then they can fight properly. OFPEC Nogova Police discussion They are working on some things here too. Great Idea! Keg's revolvers would be great for this too!

This was on here ages ago...It would take a wonder-skinner to put it in-game!

Back to the subject at hand..I think that Romano Prodi (EU President) does a poor job of representing the EU. He should be out there in the public eye more, trying to show he is working against EU corrupion and for a workable EU system. Instead he is a non-descript figure who commands no public interest.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Aug. 05 2002,15:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok well who except Paratrooper remembers him <span id='postcolor'> Lol! I don't want to be forum Tory boy! I remember Major, I didn't think he was a good PM though.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Aug. 05 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 05 2002,13:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They are my own words.<span id='postcolor'> Words forming an opinion based on what?<span id='postcolor'> Fact.

What text book has political bias anyway?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Aug. 05 2002,14:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 05 2002,12:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thatcher rid the country of the strangulating grip of over-powerful unions, without her ridding us of state industry we would not have the economy of today<span id='postcolor'> Each time you spout that do you know how much you sound like the text book you took it from?<span id='postcolor'> They are my own words.