Paratrooper

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 18 2002,21:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">6--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 18 2002,216)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Disconnect a man's work from his income, stifle enterprise and collectivise land and the pieces for tyranny are in place.<span id='postcolor'> Heh. You really believe that? Â Enterprise and private ownership are no guarantee of a non tyrranical government Tyrrany happens when people give up their responsibilities to a corrupt central authority. Â When people decide their own little bit of life is more important than the rest of the world, tyrrany can thrive.<span id='postcolor'> If a man can't own what is his, including land, and work for their share of money then how can there be freedom? Communism is a stifling, strangulating process then levels down insted of up.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 18 2002,20:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thats because u live in the states!<span id='postcolor'> You live in Europe, right? <span id='postcolor'> Can't you tell from the Danish flag?

And something does not have to be written down for it to be.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 18 2002,21:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 18 2002,210)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think Hitler  proved that new constitutions are no assurence of liberty. We have no constitution here in Britain, this means we are not bound in any way. What matter is not the constitution but the health of democracy. The people have the power to remove bad governments.<span id='postcolor'> Really, no constitution? Hard to believe... How do you regulate the form of the government then? Where is it defined that the parlieament has any power? Where is it defined that you are a monarchy?<span id='postcolor'> We are a monarchy according to Magna Carta. The Queen grants Parliment the right to use her power. She signs all laws. She can dissolve parliment at any time. This in its self protects from tyrannical governments. But if the government is just bad we vote them out. The house of Lords also is required to consent to bills. The voter removes bad government at the ballot box. If we were to get reall lunatics in government we have the security that the army is loyal to the Monarch.

5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 18 2002,215)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in france , the people have the right , the duty to overthrow a bad governement<span id='postcolor'> And in every functioning democracy! They don't have the right to overthrow legal government however, otherwise we would have anarchy.

Disconnect a man's work from his income, stifle enterprise and collectivise land and the pieces for tyranny are in place.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 18 2002,20:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Aug. 18 2002,20:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">umm, DOR, he agrees with us. The only thing he is arguing about is our Constitution<span id='postcolor'> Yes and no. I agree with you, but I am not arguing about your constitution. Â I am just asking the question of how long the responsibility of the actions of a government lasts. The answer in Europe is simple, we just say: It is not the same government and not the same constitution. In USA it isn't that simple just because the core of the political system is the same and the current government is a direct successor of the old one.<span id='postcolor'> I think Hitler proved that new constitutions are no assurence of liberty. We have no constitution here in Britain, this means we are not bound in any way. What matter is not the constitution but the health of democracy. The people have the power to remove bad governments.

The case sets a very dangerous legal president in my opinion; People suing other people for crimes they did not commit and they weren't the victims of.

Are there any updates regarding the island?

Obviously none of you have seen Krull. Bad, bad, bad, BAD!

I don't think the Danube and Elb are going to end civilisation! I am impressed with how well people have coped with the catastrophy.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Aug. 17 2002,12:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe you didnt have this experience yet. But did you ever climb on one of the tops of those mountains in the morning and enjoyed the far far scenery. THAT is OFP!<span id='postcolor'> That is exactly what keeps me playing, that and the addons. Not to mention the community. I feel like the fighting matters in flashpoint, I don't get that with other games.

It would have to be done VERY well to even be worth considering. That skill, time and effort could be put to some fantastic real-world military equipment that this game is best suited to. After all there are alot of good futuristic games out there, why go to the monumental effort of converting this one?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 17 2002,03:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 17 2002,035)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you are in an 'elite' force? What would you expect to do in wartime? Anti-ship work and quick deployment to the islands?<span id='postcolor'> No I am in military intelligence now, but my (don't know the English word for it) krigsplacering - "war-placement" is with Amf. Most likely I would either be in charge of a KJ company (not likely) or be in charge of the batallion intelligence (most likely) or work like a liaison officer between AmfBat and HQ.<span id='postcolor'> Right. I wanted to know this sort of thing. It is good to know exactly what you guys actualy do. Denoir is quite the action man!

The only way I would see combat is if the UK was actually invaded.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 17 2002,03:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 17 2002,02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lol! Sorry, Is the Amphibious corps a seperate service then?<span id='postcolor'> Yepp. The main branches are Armén (army), Flygvapnet (airforce), Flottan (navy) and Marinen (marines, but not really - it is all forms of costal and amphibious units). Kustjägarna are not the equivalent of the Marines. Amfibiesoldat = Marine in the Swedish military. Here is a link with information that I found with google. Note that it is full of errors however. Kustjägarna and A-dyk is *not* navy. A-dyk is *not* like SEALs (no airplane jumps or prolonged land operations, only underwater and amphibious).<span id='postcolor'> So you are in an 'elite' force? What would you expect to do in wartime? Anti-ship work and quick deployment to the islands?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 17 2002,02:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 17 2002,02:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 17 2002,02:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kustjägarna (costal rangers) and A-dyk (attack divers) was at Amf 1 MUST (military intelligence) only has a brief description here And of course we have KFOR at the NATO site.<span id='postcolor'> Are they like marines then? It is part of the Army right?<span id='postcolor'> No! Not part of the army. Part of the amphibious corps. Army? Hmpf. What an insult! <span id='postcolor'> Lol! Sorry, Is the Amphibious corps a seperate service then?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Aug. 17 2002,02:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 17 2002,02:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thanks, From what I have seen of the Greek army on Holiday it looks pretty relaxed. There are worse places to serve I bet!<span id='postcolor'> Relaxed or not, conscription still lasts 20 months That is a lot of time if you think about it, with ridiculous pay... I could make more money in 2 months working part time than when I would be in the army That is the reason I don't wanna go in, nothing to do with work or PT or anything. I would probably like it too...<span id='postcolor'> Thats a shame, blasting around Greece in armored vehicles would be good!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 17 2002,02:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kustjägarna (costal rangers) and A-dyk (attack divers) was at Amf 1 MUST (military intelligence) only has a brief description here And of course we have KFOR at the NATO site.<span id='postcolor'> Are they like marines then? It is part of the Army right?

Thanks, From what I have seen of the Greek army on Holiday it looks pretty relaxed. There are worse places to serve I bet!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GreyKnight @ Aug. 17 2002,02:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So now we're stupid for being honest? Â <span id='postcolor'> Maybe we are.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 17 2002,01:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 17 2002,01:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 17 2002,01:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they lacked weapons (like 1 rifle/5 men) And the officers didn't give a flying fuck, but treated them like animals.<span id='postcolor'> As a Officer Cadet starting out, and someone who has contact with the Army I know this is bollocks. What you perceive as not caring is just class difference. The officers do care, and are proffesionals.<span id='postcolor'> As a second lieutenant that spent six months in Kosovo working with the British amonst others, I know what I am talking about. I would never subject my men to such treatment as the assholes that I saw treated theirs. Call it class difference, call it incompetence, whatever. I am telling you it is because of that British soldiers are getting killed around the world. As an opposing example the Americans have the best officer<->enlisted men relations.<span id='postcolor'> British soldiers rarely take casualties. "They are not dieing around the world". The soldiers I know would follow their officers off cliffs.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 17 2002,01:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they lacked weapons (like 1 rifle/5 men) And the officers didn't give a flying fuck, but treated them like animals.<span id='postcolor'> As a Officer Cadet starting out, and someone who has contact with the Army I know this is bollocks. What you perceive as not caring is just class difference. The officers do care, and are proffesionals. 1 rifle for 5 men, everyone has their own weapon when deployed! There are no unarmed soldiers! You are mistaken (and that is the nicest way I can put it).

I am pro-EU as I have said, but as a loose economic bloc, and talking shop, not an Empire, I find this newly cultured lust for power in the EU distasteful.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GreyKnight @ Aug. 17 2002,01:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry if this is totally out of order, but the day I call myself a European is the day I shoot myself. Â I am British. Â The UK is not a full and undisputed member of the EU. Â I don't know enough about politics to know if that is a good or bad thing, but I just don't like the idea of completely giving up our national identity to some pencil pushers in Brussels. Â I don't pretend to like the British Government - I think Tony Blair is a pathetic waste of political space who doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Â However I think the same of George Bush, so what the hell? I'm not living in the past, I'm gunning for the future and hoping we'll have a complete change of Government within the next ten years. Â I'm fully aware that Britain is not what it used to be, however it is not affecting me personally so I don't really care... How the hell did a topic about Band of Brothers turn into this???<span id='postcolor'> I think I said the Beeb wasted money on it...