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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Aug. 30 2002,17:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Aug. 30 2002,10:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">See the problem with Aireal Sharrons policy is that he says 'you stop terror attacks, then we talk'. The problem with that is that the Palestinian suicide bombers will keep coming until they get what they want. At the moment that is a state of their own. I would predictthat the Palestinians would not attack as much, if not at all if they had a place to call home without Israli Apaches and Merkva tanks coming in all the time. The suicide bombins are Black mail tools.<span id='postcolor'> What if Rosa Parks had gotten on the bus, taken the front seat, and then blown herself up? Imagine Gandhi calling for suicide attacks. Do you see a difference between these two movements and Hamas? Here's a hint: End results. Semper Fi<span id='postcolor'> Hm, interesting, judge a tree by its fruit. But I say that if the fruit is bitter then you aren't tending to it propperly.

I have been thinking about space travel recently, what do you Europeans or any of you for that matter want/expect of the ESA? Will it ever rival NASA? As thats what the European project is all about; rivaling America.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (habdoel @ Aug. 30 2002,15:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">nothing stops us belgians to go in space! euh wait...beer, we need beer in space <span id='postcolor'> Not any old stuff either! I think the ESA is one of the most promising aspects of European co-operation.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (moerty @ Aug. 30 2002,15:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">america is ripe for a revolution, when people realize that democrats and republicans are just 2 flavors from the same company they'll demand some real democracy. you can't have 2 parties running the show, there is too much opportunity for collusion between them. in America politics is run for the convinience of big business at the expense of the citizen, not very sustainable in the long run, i hate cliche's  but look at what happened to Rome. what REALLY worries me is what's going to happen to the nukes in america when this revolt comes, it'll depend on the scope but still, 10k plus nukes in an unstable country is not the stuff dreams are made of.<span id='postcolor'> America brainwashes something they call 'Patriotism' into its citizens which will prevent any sort of revoultion in my opinion. True Patriots would want what is best for the country, not simply obey the government. Edit: typos.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Humvee @ Aug. 30 2002,14:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why shouldn't we deliver the weapons?? this order saves jobs and gives allot of money to the factory, I think it's great that Belgium gets the order and not one of those great military countrys. I also don't understand that they don't asked Russia some PKs and Ak74? Those are great weapons and are very cheap,compared to the Minimis ofcourse<span id='postcolor'> Belgium is the Armourer of Europe, of course they want the guns.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Aug. 30 2002,01:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 29 2002,17:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 29 2002,14<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The solution obviously lies in the total freedom of Palestine and the Palestinian people (as their lack of freedom is the cause of the violence). As Israel has proved that they are incapable od treating the Palestinian population propperly then a UN force must be deployed to keep peace and to seperate the two peoples. The problem arises when Israel and America refuse to allow a third party in. The solution wont come untill Israel swallows It's pride and realises that their Army can't and never will provide a solution. It may take an act of sickening violence to finaly bring the two sides to the table, like the Omagh bombing in N.Ireland. Northern Ireland isn't 'normalised' yet but it is a big improvement from the sixties.<span id='postcolor'> Any opinions on my analysis?<span id='postcolor'> Yep, I agree with your opinion/analysis. Â It is still not likely to happen just yet.<span id='postcolor'> The ball is in the Israeli court. They have the power, if they want peace they have to show that they are willing to be peaceful. The Palestinians are weak and under occupation, give them their dignity and progress can be made.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Quicksilver @ Aug. 30 2002,02:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok, tester it is, i'll make sure to contact you when something is happening. -Quicksilver<span id='postcolor'> Good, ok.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 30 2002,00:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Demagor @ Aug. 30 2002,000)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (.40S&W @ Aug. 29 2002,16:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's not a regular M4. It's Canadian C8 with an Elcan Battle Scope and Diemaco M203 GL (slightly diffrent then the Colt's M203). I'd love to see this carabine in a some kind of Canadian forces addon/mod. The SNS SAW is quite ok but IMHO it's too big and reminds m60 too much.<span id='postcolor'> The Canadians may also use this weaponl, but it's certainly Dutch... hence the site I found it in: Jćgerkorpsets specielle hĺndvĺben <span id='postcolor'> DIEMACO is a canadian weapons manufacturer<span id='postcolor'> It certainly is, the Dutch seem to but quite abit of NorthAmerican kit.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Aug. 30 2002,01:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I personally think that they were overcome with rage when they had seen what the Germans had done to the Jews. Eventhough I am not Jewish, I still would want to hunt down the bastard and kill him. Im sure everyone that saw the camps would agree. What if your brother, or son, or wife had been killed at that camp? You'd be pissed. BTW I think that some people here have issues about being so politically correct that its disgusting. I think you know who you are.<span id='postcolor'> A crime commited during a war is not neccessarily a 'War Crime'. The merits of induvidual cases such as killing an SS murderer are rather irrelevant.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Aug. 30 2002,00:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wow, this is amazing. Â You're criticizing men who killed the commandant of a concentration camp. Â There's no mention of how the Russians raped and looted a hundred times more than the Allies did.<span id='postcolor'> The Russian were one of the allies. Besides what the russians did doesn't excuse any one else. If a British officer had a town of innocents shelled or raped I'd want him brought to justice, why don't you think Americans should face the law they flount?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Aug. 30 2002,00:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Forget about all other cars, because this is the one. Best hands on sportscar ever made - the Super Seven! http://www.stevecarter.com/cattrack.htm<span id='postcolor'> That is a rather fabulous car, one of my neighbours has one.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 29 2002,23:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Surley all the countries that fought did the same thing, yes it may be wrong, but it was war.<span id='postcolor'> "But it was war" is no excuse for anything. I am glad to see some honesty from allied soldiers who commited crimes though.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Othin @ Aug. 29 2002,23:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 29 2002,14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't misunderstand me,I don't want Europe to go into a space race as such, just have a space proramme to rival and compliment the American one, rather than let them have a monopoly on space. So things only get done if Washington wants to do them, which can't be good.<span id='postcolor'> Total Space Launches 2001=59 US 24 Russia 23 Hardly a monopoly.... Â We do have a large chunk though. Â This is why I think it is more important to let private companies launch their own rockets/ships. Â Take the power out of the U.S. and Russian hands and put it into business (of course I say this now, in ten years when you have to go through either DaimlerChrysler or McDonalds to get into space I'll be singing a different tune )<span id='postcolor'> I don't want space exploration in the hans of peple like Coca-Cola and Ford! I want the national interests and the interest of science to take prescidence. Besides if the returns aren't instant or apparent business isn't interested.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 29 2002,23:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 29 2002,23:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 29 2002,23:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 29 2002,23:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for the shuttle, we have at least two designs of our own so we wont be starting from scratch. Hermes was discussed at the start of the thread.<span id='postcolor'> The existing EU designs are all based on a conventional SRB system, similar to the US shuttle. Â All of those non reusable bits add to the cost. Â The cool part of the X-33 is that it's able to acheive orbit without the usre of a costly booster system. SSTO kicks ass!<span id='postcolor'> Nope, ran put this up earlier:Hto Hermes is also worth having.<span id='postcolor'> The difference is that that monstrosity never got past model stage. Â The X-33 is 86% complete in a prototype model. I think it is obscene that anyone would try to develop from scratch when there are totally acceptable designs that already exist! Â Sometimes you have to eat nationalist pride for the sake of economic expediency! Â I'd far rather see an EU version of the X-33 flying in 4 years than wait the 10-15 years it would take to totally develop something new. Â As for Hermes, if it was a practical design, it would be in production now, wouldnt it? <span id='postcolor'> Maybe the x-33 is worth looking into. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hermes, if it was a practical design, it would be in production now, wouldnt it? <span id='postcolor'> You know that politics and funding have nothing to do with the practicality of the design!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (marsuk @ Aug. 29 2002,23:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">is there an easy way of making roads in wrpedit or is it a case of painstakingly placing each peace down one at a time<span id='postcolor'> One at a time, an agonising time.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 29 2002,23:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 29 2002,23:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for the shuttle, we have at least two designs of our own so we wont be starting from scratch. Hermes was discussed at the start of the thread.<span id='postcolor'> The existing EU designs are all based on a conventional SRB system, similar to the US shuttle. Â All of those non reusable bits add to the cost. Â The cool part of the X-33 is that it's able to acheive orbit without the usre of a costly booster system. SSTO kicks ass!<span id='postcolor'> Nope, ran put this up earlier:Hto Hermes is also worth having.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Aug. 29 2002,23:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,23:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> A good new Bentley.<span id='postcolor'> You like the cheap stuff, huh? <span id='postcolor'> Yep, cheap and nasty thats me.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Aug. 29 2002,23:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Aug. 29 2002,00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And finally, how many posts alltogether since first day?<span id='postcolor'> *Sigh* </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OF FORUM has a total of 255733 posts (230866 replies to 24867 Topics)<span id='postcolor'> You can find this on the bottom of the page where you can see all the forums <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'> There you go, well spotted!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 29 2002,14:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The solution obviously lies in the total freedom of Palestine and the Palestinian people (as their lack of freedom is the cause of the violence). As Israel has proved that they are incapable od treating the Palestinian population propperly then a UN force must be deployed to keep peace and to seperate the two peoples. The problem arises when Israel and America refuse to allow a third party in. The solution wont come untill Israel swallows It's pride and realises that their Army can't and never will provide a solution. It may take an act of sickening violence to finaly bring the two sides to the table, like the Omagh bombing in N.Ireland. Northern Ireland isn't 'normalised' yet but it is a big improvement from the sixties.<span id='postcolor'> Any opinions on my analysis?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nordin dk @ Aug. 29 2002,23:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the point of not guessing? Neither will change your life any way.<span id='postcolor'> Lol! I wasn't expecting it to! I mean as we don't know what will the vote show? An opinion on an unknown quantity.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 29 2002,23:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now, I will agree that the US has a serious case of cranial rectumitis. Â Erupoe actually has a space program that rivals, and in some way surpasses the American one. Â The only thing you dont have is a reusable launch vehicle. Â So talk to the X-33 contractors. Â The linear aerospike engine is a tested and proven technology. Â All that is needed now is refinement of the fuel delivery system, and it would pretty much ready to go. Â I am just saying that starting virtually from scratch would take a lot of money that could be better spent elsewhere.<span id='postcolor'> The cold war was I bad thing, I didn't say it wasn't but competition does usually get results, like the JSF project, the contractors have to do their best as their is someone to beat. You know how competition works anyway. As for the shuttle, we have at least two designs of our own so we wont be starting from scratch. Hermes was discussed at the start of the thread.

What is the point of guessing?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (madmike @ Aug. 29 2002,22:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The worry is that if they equip the Nepalese with automatic weapons there is a danger that if one man gets his weapon taken then the rebels will then have better firepower. At the moment all they have are captured Lee enfields??? taken from the police they have murdered. Also alot of the rebels now apply to join the gurkhas which gives them advanced skills then they go AWOL. I do have a article from Combat & survival about it but its too far away (upstairs  )<span id='postcolor'> Nepal is not backward, they hve modern weapons already, so do the rebels. As for the government commiting attrocoties; when there is a savage civil war bad things do happen, but the Mauists are rebels and terrorists. The Nepalese government has a right to defend the Nepalese civilisation, laws and people against them. The EU agrees.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 29 2002,22:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 29 2002,22:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 29 2002,22:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mankind needs to get its act together and work together!<span id='postcolor'> Maybe, but mankind only ever does great things while in competition. The first space race only came about because there was competition. Co-operation is best done from a position of equality, we need to match NASA first!<span id='postcolor'> Wonderful attitude, Paratrooper! You'd think that the economic self destruction of the Soviet Union would show exactly why we need to grow past that sort of competition! Â Nothing good came from the Cold War. Â massive amounts of money were spent for nothing more than 'keeping up with the joneses'.<span id='postcolor'> I disagree, we explored space, put a man on the moon! Developed the internet and modern communication, the nuclear submarine and many other things. A little more than keeping up with the Jones! Don't misunderstand me,I don't want Europe to go into a space race as such, just have a space proramme to rival and compliment the American one, rather than let them have a monopoly on space. So things only get done if Washington wants to do them, which can't be good.

A good new Bentley.